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Lyndal!!!! Oh dear how good to see posts from you!!!!!!! so I go and look up paracetamol – ROTFLMAO!!! Tylenol!!! I have the same allergies/troubles with the meds you mentioned & as you and Tylenol does help with the pain, but I have to take six or eight extra strength every four hours and havr been scolded on the toxic liver possibilities………. so…………. what to do? Nosy me wants to know how much do you take? I did make an appt to see my PCP on Monday to discuss pain, which is why I asked the question… I’m so tired of this!…….. Hello to Alex and all the critters! Leslie "Lyndal Parker-Newlyn" <lyndal…@iprimus.com.au

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I’m a boring soul. Allergic to codeine and all opiates (rash) very

allergic > to all antiinflammatories (NSAIDs and COX 2) anaphylaxis. Aspirin upsets > the warfarin. I am the paracetamol queen! Alternative is a glass of red > wine and a good lie down ( a bit difficult in the middle of a day at > work )tee hee > Dr Lyndal > "Chaos Hill" <mrsmu…@hotmail.com

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> news:i66dne6JCMf1YZLdRVn-tw@centurytel.net… > > Hi BJ, > > I used to take Neurontin and had decent results – until it started causing > > seizures…… mostly I do like you….. the morphine I am allergic to, > > what a fright that was! It seems there are still no new ‘wonders’ out > > there……… > > Leslie > > "BJ" <B…@sk.nojunk.ca

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> > news:100vpubsnmm3bfc@corp.supernews.com… > > > Hi Leslie, > > > I only take Neurontin for neuropathic pain. Other than that, I try to > work > > > through stuff on my own. I use heat and warm baths to ease joint pain. I > > > have never found anything that worked for pain when I am in a major > flare. > > > The doctor said that, in the future, he would give me morphine under > those > > > circumstances. > > > BJ-Sk. Canada > > > "Chaos Hill" <mrsmu…@hotmail.com

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> > > news:0O6dnToBja9OAZPdRVn-vw@centurytel.net… > > > > Hello all, I am curious about who is on what pain meds – how they are

doing. Any that caused big problems? Leslie — Discombobulated Thoughts Of An Adelpated Mind

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Hi Leslie, That is a honking big dose of Tylenol. I would be concerned about your liver too. It is a hard choice, isn’t it? I do hope your doc will come up with something better for your pain. I think he will try extra hard, if you tell him about all that Tylenol.<g

Let us know, okay? Hope you get something

that will work for you. BJ-Sk. Canada "Chaos Hill" <mrsmu…@hotmail.com

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Lyndal!!!! Oh dear how good to see posts from you!!!!!!! so I go and look up paracetamol – ROTFLMAO!!! Tylenol!!! I have the same allergies/troubles with the meds you mentioned & as you and Tylenol does help with the pain, but I have to take six or eight extra strength every four hours and havr been scolded on the toxic liver

possibilities………. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> so…………. what to do? Nosy me wants to know how much do you take? > I did make an appt to see my PCP on Monday to discuss pain, which is why I > asked the question… I’m so tired of this!…….. > Hello to Alex and all the critters! > Leslie > "Lyndal Parker-Newlyn" <lyndal…@iprimus.com.au

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> news:401116ae_1@news.iprimus.com.au… > > I’m a boring soul. Allergic to codeine and all opiates (rash) very > allergic > > to all antiinflammatories (NSAIDs and COX 2) anaphylaxis. Aspirin upsets

the warfarin. I am the paracetamol queen! Alternative is a glass of

red > > wine and a good lie down ( a bit difficult in the middle of a day at > > work )tee hee > > Dr Lyndal > > "Chaos Hill" <mrsmu…@hotmail.com

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> > news:i66dne6JCMf1YZLdRVn-tw@centurytel.net… > > > Hi BJ, > > > I used to take Neurontin and had decent results – until it started > causing > > > seizures…… mostly I do like you….. the morphine I am allergic to,

what a fright that was! It seems there are still no new ‘wonders’

out > > > there……… > > > Leslie > > > "BJ" <B…@sk.nojunk.ca

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> > > news:100vpubsnmm3bfc@corp.supernews.com… > > > > Hi Leslie, > > > > I only take Neurontin for neuropathic pain. Other than that, I try to

work through stuff on my own. I use heat and warm baths to ease joint

pain. > I > > > > have never found anything that worked for pain when I am in a major > > flare. > > > > The doctor said that, in the future, he would give me morphine under > > those > > > > circumstances. > > > > BJ-Sk. Canada > > > > "Chaos Hill" <mrsmu…@hotmail.com

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> > > > news:0O6dnToBja9OAZPdRVn-vw@centurytel.net… > > > > > Hello all, I am curious about who is on what pain meds – how they > are > > > > doing. > > > > > Any that caused big problems? > > > > > Leslie > > > > > — > > > > > Discombobulated Thoughts Of An Adelpated Mind

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Hello all, I am curious about who is on what pain meds – how they are doing. Any that caused big problems? Leslie — Discombobulated Thoughts Of An Adelpated Mind

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I am on a daily dose of Ultram and have been for at least 4 years (I’ve lost track.) 100 mg BID I take Lortab (hydrocodone/acetomenaphin) as needed for breakthrough pain or for headache/migraine. Mostly for migraine. only problem – I had to up my ultram dose from 100 in the a.m. and 50 in the p.m. to the 100 mg BID mentioned above *and* sometimes I require one extra 50 or 100mg dose to get through the day. So I am slowly developing some tolerance to the drug. Very slowly. Lortab gives me hiccups sometimes. hardly a big deal for me. On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 07:37:50 -0800, "Chaos Hill" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<mrsmu…@hotmail.com

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I am! I take 3 tablets of Norco (10mg hydrocodone/325/mg apap) every 4 hrs as needed. Nicole — 3 of every 10 Americans Know Someone With Lupus Help find the cure. www.lupus.org "Chaos Hill" <mrsmu…@hotmail.com

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Hello all, I am curious about who is on what pain meds – how they are

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Any that caused big problems? Leslie — Discombobulated Thoughts Of An Adelpated Mind

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Hi Kcat, Ultram is supposed to be better for pancreatitis pain than most meds. The results were obtained by monitoring the sphincter of oddi through ercp. I was given ultram once, and it worked well on the pain, but I became nauseous and vomited. Did this happen to you in the beginning, and/or do you know of anyone developing a tolerance to the nauseating effect of ultram? Duragesic, at least in the current dose, is not effective against pancreatitis pain, and I can’t get enough percocet to last the month. Thanks, Wes – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -kcat <kcattxf…@sbcglobal.net

wrote in message <news:k09t00hrpk18ut6e4qqtnh1fn0edek655f@4ax.com… I am on a daily dose of Ultram and have been for at least 4 years (I’ve lost track.) 100 mg BID I take Lortab (hydrocodone/acetomenaphin) as needed for breakthrough pain or for headache/migraine. Mostly for migraine. only problem – I had to up my ultram dose from 100 in the a.m. and 50 in the p.m. to the 100 mg BID mentioned above *and* sometimes I require one extra 50 or 100mg dose to get through the day. So I am slowly developing some tolerance to the drug. Very slowly. Lortab gives me hiccups sometimes. hardly a big deal for me. On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 07:37:50 -0800, "Chaos Hill" <mrsmu…@hotmail.com wrote: Hello all, I am curious about who is on what pain meds – how they are doing. Any that caused big problems? Leslie

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Hi Kcat, Ultram is supposed to be better for pancreatitis pain than most meds. The results were obtained by monitoring the sphincter of oddi through ercp. I was given ultram once, and it worked well on the pain, but I became nauseous and vomited. Did this happen to you in the beginning, and/or do you know of anyone developing a tolerance to the nauseating effect of ultram? Duragesic, at least in the current dose, is not effective against pancreatitis pain, and I can’t get enough percocet to last the month.

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http://www.bchealthguide.org/kbase/frame/uf437/uf4370/frame.htm Pain treatment for chronic pancreatitis Pain is a frustrating, sometimes debilitating aspect of chronic pancreatitis. Many people have pain for many years. Pain may decrease as the damaged pancreas loses its ability to produce enzymes, but it may take years for the pancreas to stop producing enzymes. In many people, this process never occurs.1 If you are having debilitating pain from chronic pancreatitis, you may be referred to a pain clinic. Several treatments can be tried to relieve persistent pain. Most of the non-surgical measures below (except for analgesics) have not yet been proven to reduce pain in most people.1 Analgesics. Non-narcotic (and therefore non-addicting) pain medications are tried first. If these provide no relief, the narcotic meperidine (Demerol) or morphine may be given to relieve sudden episodes of inflammation. Doctors monitor use of narcotics because they don’t want people to become dependent on the medications. These medications also have side effects and risks, such as constipation, falls, and slowed breathing. Tricyclic antidepressants. These medications (such as Elavil, Tofranil, and Desyrel) may help people sleep and cope with pain and depression. Pancreatic enzyme supplements. People can take oral enzyme supplements, which may reduce pain in some people, particularly those who have mild or moderate disease.2 Acid reducers. H2-receptor-blocking medications (such as Tagamet, Pepcid, or Zantac) and proton pump inhibitors (such as Losec or Prevacid) may be given along with enzymes to reduce the production of stomach acid, which can stimulate the pancreas. Stents. The procedure endoscopic retrograde cholangiopancreatography (ERCP) can be used to place small supports (stents) in a narrow pancreatic duct. Celiac plexus nerve block. An injection of alcohol or corticosteroids into this bundle of abdominal nerves may provide temporary relief. Surgery. Pain may be reduced by removing stones from the pancreas and draining pancreatic ducts.

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Hi Kcat, Ultram is supposed to be better for pancreatitis pain than most meds. The results were obtained by monitoring the sphincter of oddi through ercp. I was given ultram once, and it worked well on the pain, but I became nauseous and vomited. Did this happen to you in the beginning, and/or do you know of anyone developing a tolerance to the nauseating effect of ultram?

I don’t believe it’s ever made me nauseated. I get stomach upset with the plaquenil if I take it on an empty stomach. But not the ultram. Sorry, I don’t know if this is one of those things that one can develop a tolerance for or not. I know that I did have some woooozies when I first started it – about 2-3 hours after I took it suddenly my head would swim. that would last about 15 mins each time. But after a couple of weeks that went away and it never causes any of that sort of side effect.

Duragesic, at least in the current dose, is not effective against pancreatitis pain, and I can’t get enough percocet to last the month.

:( Sorry – I have gotten very ill from demerol. not just a little but severely. did you take the ultram on an empty stomach? it’s hard to judge some of these things – some meds make me sleepy and nauseated and the two sides seem to be related. mostly things like ambien, trazadone. it is more pronounced if taken with little or no food in my gut. i’ve never figured out why the two go hand in hand. it *could* be I suppose that a similar effect is happening with you when you take the ultram.

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I take Ultram too, Wes. I’ve never had the nausea or any bothersome side effects really. I wonder if you might be able to try Ultracet? It has Tylenol & may be easier on your system, if you’re sensitive to the Ultram. The affect wouldn’t be as strong as it is with taking Ultram alone. Not sure, but just a thought. Hugs, Maggie

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Wes, what about taking the oxycodone on it’s own instead of as percodan/percocet where it is mixed with ASA/tylenol and just is the narcotic alone in strengths from 10 to 100 mg. dosages… also oxycontin is a 12 hour sustained release pill of oxycodone which lasts almost 12 hours and with which they can give you the oxycodone immediate release pills for any ‘breakthrough’ pain you may get. I tried the oxycontin and found it to be very effective but for me the morphine contin had fewer side effects re ‘wooziness’ etc. and was just as effective so I chose that for myself. Have your docs mentioned these possibilities? For chronic severe pain the ‘contins’ are noted for giving the best coverage. -fwiw- ((((Hugs)))) from Shelagh <JD…@webtv.net

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| I take Ultram too, Wes. I’ve never had the nausea or any bothersome | side effects really. I wonder if you might be able to try Ultracet? It | has Tylenol & may be easier on your system, if you’re sensitive to the | Ultram. The affect wouldn’t be as strong as it is with taking Ultram | alone. | Not sure, but just a thought. | Hugs, | Maggie

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Hi Kcat, Ultram is supposed to be better for pancreatitis pain than most meds. The results were obtained by monitoring the sphincter of oddi through ercp. I was given ultram once, and it worked well on the pain, but I became nauseous and vomited. Did this happen to you in the beginning, and/or do you know of anyone developing a tolerance to the nauseating effect of ultram? Duragesic, at least in the current dose, is not effective against pancreatitis pain, and I can’t get enough percocet to last the month.

Not Kcat, but I do take Ultram too. My stomach seems to be iron-cast, because I hardly ever get any problems at all from anything. I could probably win some pie-eating contests. However, my sister is very sensitive to meds because of her Crohns, but often tolerates them better after a while. Hopefully your nausea will disappear too once you have taken Ultram a couple of times. Nina

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Hello all, I am curious about who is on what pain meds – how they are

doing.

Any that caused big problems?

Ultram, sometimes alone, sometimes with tylenol. I don’t take it on a regular basis, though. It’s good for moderate pain, but doesn’t touch sever pain. No problems from it. I also switch Ultram with a painkiller that consists of ibuprofen and codeine (I don’t know if it’s available outside of Sweden). Doesn’t cause any big problems either, except for gassiness, but I don’t like the ibuprofen part since I’m not fond of NSAID:s. Nina

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Hi Leslie, I only take Neurontin for neuropathic pain. Other than that, I try to work through stuff on my own. I use heat and warm baths to ease joint pain. I have never found anything that worked for pain when I am in a major flare. The doctor said that, in the future, he would give me morphine under those circumstances. BJ-Sk. Canada "Chaos Hill" <mrsmu…@hotmail.com

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Hello all, I am curious about who is on what pain meds – how they are

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Any that caused big problems? Leslie — Discombobulated Thoughts Of An Adelpated Mind

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Wes, Yes, the "Contins" are the best. If you have any tolerance (a I do) and if you have problems getting your pain med’s to last the whol;e month, be carefull. If you take Oxycontin for 2 weeks then abruptly stop, the withdrawals are the worst I’ve ever experienced. Worse, I’m told, than Heroin. MScontin has not been as bad, I’m told. Also, the Oxycontin does not last me a whole 12 hours as claimed by Pharma (the manufacturer). I’m lucky I have a Doc that recognizes and acepts this so I take 40mg 3X/day. I’m the only pt he prescribes either of the "Contins" for. The FDA has the Doc’s scared here in the US due to th media hype on Oxy being abused. It’s called "Hillbilly Heroin" down here. Still, when I started taking the Oxy 5 years ago I began to fel like I actually had some shot at a normal life after years of chronic pain. It took me 2 years to learn to make it last the whole month as agreed to in my "drug contract" with my Doc. Never been so sick in my life! Michael

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Hi BJ, I used to take Neurontin and had decent results – until it started causing seizures…… mostly I do like you….. the morphine I am allergic to, what a fright that was! It seems there are still no new ‘wonders’ out there……… Leslie "BJ" <B…@sk.nojunk.ca

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> news:0O6dnToBja9OAZPdRVn-vw@centurytel.net… > > Hello all, I am curious about who is on what pain meds – how they are > doing. > > Any that caused big problems? > > Leslie > > — > > Discombobulated Thoughts Of An Adelpated Mind

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If only I had listened to Michael when the doc prescribed the Duragesic………. Leslie "Michael Roeper" <roe…@comcast.net

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Wes, Yes, the "Contins" are the best. If you have any tolerance (a I do) and if you have problems getting your pain med’s to last the whol;e month, be carefull. If you take Oxycontin for 2 weeks then abruptly stop, the withdrawals are the worst I’ve ever experienced. Worse, I’m told, than Heroin. MScontin has not been as bad, I’m told. Also, the Oxycontin does not last me a whole 12 hours as claimed by Pharma (the manufacturer). I’m lucky I have a Doc that recognizes and acepts this so I take 40mg 3X/day. I’m the only pt he prescribes either of the

"Contins"

for. The FDA has the Doc’s scared here in the US due to th media hype on

Oxy

being abused. It’s called "Hillbilly Heroin" down here. Still, when I started taking the Oxy 5 years ago I began to fel like I actually had some shot at a normal life after years of chronic pain. It took me 2 years to learn to make it last the whole month as agreed to

in

my "drug contract" with my Doc. Never been so sick in my life! Michael

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I’m a boring soul. Allergic to codeine and all opiates (rash) very allergic to all antiinflammatories (NSAIDs and COX 2) anaphylaxis. Aspirin upsets the warfarin. I am the paracetamol queen! Alternative is a glass of red wine and a good lie down ( a bit difficult in the middle of a day at work )tee hee Dr Lyndal "Chaos Hill" <mrsmu…@hotmail.com

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> news:100vpubsnmm3bfc@corp.supernews.com… > > Hi Leslie, > > I only take Neurontin for neuropathic pain. Other than that, I try to work

through stuff on my own. I use heat and warm baths to ease joint pain. I have never found anything that worked for pain when I am in a major

flare.

The doctor said that, in the future, he would give me morphine under

those > > circumstances. > > BJ-Sk. Canada > > "Chaos Hill" <mrsmu…@hotmail.com

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OT: Question about Lithium

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Lithium is a chemical element. It is used by the brain to regulate moods, whether due to bi-polar or depression, or manic. Doctors now are trying it out on people with depression. One doctor I talked to said people in Michigan have a much higher incidence of depression, and bi-polar because there is almost no lithium in the soil. Michigan just doesn’t lie on rocks which contain lithium. So we don’t ingest it and this leads to imbalance. This dr recommends taking 5mg "organic lithium" once each morning, but I noticed Jen was on 600+mg. It’s no wonder her mouth tastes metallic. I don’t know what organic means, but there are 2 types of lithium sold in health food stores, and one is organic. — Say no to fixed width tables. They look terrible in all browsers.

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wrote in message <news:2t5vb7F1qnd42U1@uni-berlin.de… Thanks, Jen, this is very helpful, I’ll pass on your comments… in a sort of "I found this on the ‘net" way! My friend has been having trouble sleeping – not so much in going to sleep at night but she often wakes early and then can’t get back to sleep. She looked worn out when I saw her yesterday. The only time I’ve experienced that sort of insomnia was when I was grieving for my father – I’d sleep for four hours and then be wide awake.

"Snapping" awake at around 4 am is a classic sign of depression. That’s how it started with me. Although I was only 30, I thought I was having hot flashes because I’d snap awake and find myself in a pool of sweat. This went on for months and then I started having trouble falling asleep as well. They put me on Ambien but even doses high enough to knock out a horse did nothing. Eventually I wasn’t sleeping at all, went 9 days without sleep, wound up in the psych’s office where I was dx’ed with bipolar disorder. I look back and wonder whether the bipolar caused the insomnia or the insomnia caused the bipolar. Hard to say, but if you ask my pdoc he’d say the bipolar caused the insomnia. Either way, the important thing to do is get some sleep because your brain can’t heal without sleep, and it’s hard to cope with stress if you can’t sleep. If she’s tried something like Ambien and it has little effect on her, then there probably is something else going on here with her. I had some luck initially with Klonopin, but that didn’t help for long. Ultimately, the only thing that enabled me to sleep again was the lithium. Since lithium apparently has zero effect on a normal person, the fact that it worked so well on me essentially proved to my doctor I was bipolar.

She has a bladder condition which stops her from sleeping through the night and that exacerbates her sleeping problem. She’s also not thrilled at the idea of weight gain and her husband doesn’t think she should be on any medication let alone start taking lithium so it’s a difficult decision for her.

Yep, my ex didn’t initially think I should be on any meds. Neither did my family. Heck, neither did I!!! Encourage your friend to trust her own instincts on this one. If she’s not coping well now, what can it hurt to try the lithium? She’ll know within weeks whether it has any effect on her, and as long as she’s careful and follows the dr’s orders, has her bloodwork done, etc, it may be worth the risk to try it out. Also, you say she’s struggled for awhile and been on all sorts of other meds, so what’s the harm if she tries one more? Before lithium I went through a period of trials with all sorts of meds – sleeping pills, antianxiety pills, antidepressants – in various combos. None of them worked all that well. I eventually got tired of them and flushed them down the toilet in a rebellious fit. Got really sick then after it was all out of my system started going completely manic and stopped sleeping. That’s when I decided to try the lithium. Turns out the lithium was all I needed. Instead of taking a full litany of drugs, the lithium helped me sleep, calmed my anxiety, took the edge of the mania, and kept my mood at an even keel. Perhaps it’ll turn out to be the same with your friend, and lithium would allow her to get off all the other drugs she’s been taking? You mentioned your friend has a tendency to obsess over her problems. You can tell her that I soooo relate to that. Lithium stopped my obsessions cold. I was on it for about 4 years, and have been off it for about 4 years. You can tell her that, too. Pills aren’t a cure-all, IMHO. But they do help you be able to cope better while working on your issues. They helped me get to the stage where I didn’t need them anymore. I still find myself obsessing now and then, but I’ve learned how to head it off at the pass early, through mental exercises, before it gets so bad I need the meds again. jen

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wrote in message <news:2t6267F1rtilrU1@uni-berlin.de… Is your friend about at middle age (38-45 or so)? I ask because her symptoms (bladder complaints, inability to stay asleep, weepiness, mood swings) are very common symptoms of perimenopause. Has she consulted her gynecologist?

I agree with this, although it sounds like Tai’s friend has had a long history battling depression and trying different meds, so this isn’t something that cropped up recently. Still, it is important to rule out perimenopause and possible thyroid disorders if her doc hasn’t already done so. This should be a standard step because some thyroid disorders have the same symptoms as manic depression. That’s why I suggested a baseline thyroid panel *before* going on the meds. Once on lithium, it’ll be awfully hard to figure out whether the lithium caused any thyroid changes or the thyroid changes existed before the lithium. Lithium can trash the thyroid, which is one of the reasons regular blood tests are required while on it. jen

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Has she (or you) checked out Medline, or anything on the Net, about Lithium? I’m sure there is a ton of information out there.

http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic/lithium.htm Jess

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"Bill in Co." <surly10curmudg…@earthlink.net wrote in message <news:B3cbd.1999$6k2.1770@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net… AFAIK, it sounds like they’re going back to the hardcore stuff, since the standard SSRIs didn’t work out. I’m not sure what you mean by "hardcore," but I found it reassuring that lithium has been around a very long time, and therefore we know more about the long-term effects of lithium than we do newer drugs. I was on Prozac and while it seemed a "safer" drug with less side effects, nobody can say for sure what will happen to those who took it, even briefly, 30 years down the road…. Also, since it’s older, it is quite inexpensive compared to the newer drugs, which is an added plus. Lithium has been around forever – ages ago folks deliberately soaked in springs with naturally occurring lithium because they noted it helped ease their minds. And, I’ve read that for 80% of those with classic bipolar symptoms (BPI with marked periods of mania) lithium is effective. For that reason, it is considered the first-line treatment along with Depakote, also an older drug. For those that can’t tolerate the symptoms or those 20% that it is not effective, the second-line treatments include all the newer drugs like Neurotin. Anyway, if Tai’s friend is truly bipolar, the last thing she should be taking is an antidepressant *without* a mood stabilizer such as lithium or depakote. That’s a sure-fire way to flip her into mania. jen

OK, good point, Jen. I just looked at it from the point of it being a stronger drug. But there is a time and a place for that. I just think back to how some things were handled in the past…. Nevermind, it’s my hangup, too hard to explain and not worth getting into.

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> <news:2t4n9mF1r3b9iU1@uni-berlin.de>… >> Anyway, she’s been on various medications for years and told me what they >> are but I’m afraid the names have gone in one ear and out the other. My >> friend told me today that her doctor would like to try her on Lithium >> because the other drug(s) aren’t working as well as they could be. Now I >> know that’s a treatment for bi-polar disorder and I’ve read up a little >> on >> its side effects just now but I was wondering if anyone here has any >> comments they could share? She’s rather frightened by the thought and is >> resistant! > Lithium was a godsend for me when I took it. For me, it had a nearly > immediate effect, and cont’d to have an increasingly positive effect > after the initial few weeks of ramp-up. It was well worth the > trade-off of the side effects (those I had and those I could’ve > potentially had). > It has a bad reputation because they used to prescribe it at much > higher doses than they typically do today. The trend these days is to > see how little you can take and still get a positive effect. In past, > people would be put on 1500-2000; I was able, through experimentation, > to get down to around 600-900, eliminating most of the annoying side > effects, and still do fine. > It does have some potentially nasty side effects and anyone who takes > it must be routinely monitored and have frequent blood tests. Make > sure that her doc makes her get a baseline thyroid panel *before* she > goes on it though. This is really important. > Other annoying but not life-threatening side effects include > dehydration (you need to take care to drink TONS of water while you’re > taking it), weight gain (for me, it was mostly water weight due to all > that extra water I had to drink), metallic taste in the mouth and > metallic taste to skin. > If you want to email me privately, I’d be happy to give you more > details about my own experience with it to pass along to your friend. > I completely understand why she’s resistant and frightened by the > thought, because I was too. But nothing else had the same positive > effect on me. > Lithium gave me a calming sensation, all the white noise in my head > cleared up, I was able to concentrate on one thing at a time, was able > to sleep uninteruppted, my appetite came back, and my paranoia and > obsessive thoughts disappeared. I’m glad I eventually got over that > fear and gave it a try.

Thanks, Jen, this is very helpful, I’ll pass on your comments… in a sort of "I found this on the ‘net" way! My friend has been having trouble sleeping – not so much in going to sleep at night but she often wakes early and then can’t get back to sleep. She looked worn out when I saw her yesterday. The only time I’ve experienced that sort of insomnia was when I was grieving for my father – I’d sleep for four hours and then be wide awake. She has a bladder condition which stops her from sleeping through the night and that exacerbates her sleeping problem. She’s also not thrilled at the idea of weight gain and her husband doesn’t think she should be on any medication let alone start taking lithium so it’s a difficult decision for her. Thanks also to Jess, I’ll email my friend that url now. Tai

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I thought I’d ask here because a number of you are familiar with treatments for depression. A friend of mine has been treated for depression for years. To my untrained eye she appears to function well – busy, productive, looks after herself and her family well, has lots of friends and treats them well, shows enjoyment and happiness etc. – but she can be miserable about a chronic personal situation. I would liken that to situational depression caused by grief or something similar. One of those ‘what can’t be cured, must be endured’ problems but a different issue to her tendency towards Depression which has been diagnosed as a chemical imbalance. Anyway, she’s been on various medications for years and told me what they are but I’m afraid the names have gone in one ear and out the other. My friend told me today that her doctor would like to try her on Lithium because the other drug(s) aren’t working as well as they could be. Now I know that’s a treatment for bi-polar disorder and I’ve read up a little on its side effects just now but I was wondering if anyone here has any comments they could share? She’s rather frightened by the thought and is resistant! Tai

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early wake-up insomnia

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Hi Zee, Not to discourage you at all from Ali’s suggestions, if that isn’t the kind of heart workup you’ve already had, but bouts of rapid heartbeat is symptom #2 on our list. When it comes to the scarey things, even if you think it’s probably menopause, it’s not a bad idea to eliminate the other possibilities. A sidelight is that it often bides the time while you are experiencing the symptom and just as your fears and worries go away, so does the symptom. Alice Lawrence wrote:

a heart work up is a stress test and on ladies should include an ultrasound of the heart. Also they can and sometimes do have you to wear a Holter monitor for 24 hours and this records a continious EKG. Ifcontinues and you want piece of mind I’d ask for a cardio work up. Sometimes things with the heart do not show up till the heart is put under stress. And also when you describe this as an adrenalin rush it maybe worth mentioning that the body does react to stress by producing the adrenalin rush or flight or fight syndrome, and if you are constantly under stress from work, job etc. it can set the body into constant reaction and create a vicious circle because the body no longer relizes oops this is a small stress or and calms back down.

And many people have described an adrenalin rush as what they feel just before the onset of a hotflash, symptom #1 or a panic attack, symptom #10. Just wanted to cover all the possibilities. Sometimes we overlook the small stuff. Hope your symptoms calm down soon. Cool Runnings, HomemakerJ

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Well, in the last couple days I have seen, somewhere (not on my news server), messages by Becky and by Zee. So this is sort of a response to them. Because I am getting enough sleep at the moment (once with L, twice with nothing), things look fine. (Of course, "enough sleep" means for me at the moment probably just waking up once, and 5-6 hours of sleep.) Lorazepam is potentially addictive. My physician said I shouldn’t get addicted if I took it once a week or less. I’m not addicted, and it still works–I was prescribed it in mid-December, and I take it every week or two. Cathe (real email "brow…@haskins.yale.eedu" except replace the "ee" in "eedu" so "edu" has a single "e") [Note: Haskins, a non-profit speech research lab, is *not* part of Yale.]

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Hi Ali, Thanks for the response. I will print your letter and keep it so I can consider a heart work up. I can’t imagine however that I could have a heart problem. My work out consists of –are you ready for this– six days a week I "walk" eight miles on my treadmill while holding on to the guardrails so I won;t slip but going 9 1/2 minute miles. If I walk normally(not holding on) I maintain 12 minute miles. I "recover" almost immediately (within a minute or two) so that I am breathing normally, etc. I then go to the gym and lift ( heavy) weights for 45 minutes. This may sound like a lot but pre meno and pre thyroid I ran at least this much each day before going to the gym. I can relate more to stress , however, especially the insidious kind. I have a truly wonderful husband and son and I love my job. Yet time is always an issue. While I’m saying this, however, my mental censor is reminding me that I have this problem during the summer when I’m off of work. Still the problem seems more stress related. Perhaps I should have a test for adrenal function. Can this feeling be a variation on hot flashes (which I have never had)? Thanks very much for your suggestions. I would love to find a doctor who could diagnose this and perhaps with suggestions for appropriate lab work, that will be possible. Zee ZeeS…@Aol.com I know AOL stinks, but hey, it’s better than nothing. "Crystal, Herbs, Swans, exercise, Low Fat Food, chinese food and Armour Natural Thyrdoid; or any combination of the above(In no particular order)"

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Hi Zee: You are welcome. These test that I told you of earlier do come with a price however, but doesn’t everything any more? But if you want piece of mind it is a suggestion. The thing is it can be related to so many things…too much caffiene, allergies, etc. I wish you luck in your quest…and IMHO it could be a variation of the hot flashes…esp with all the exercise you do. Hey you almost wore me out just reading about it!!!! — \ali// (o-o) —–ooO–(_)–Ooo—– http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/1992 ZeeSwan <zees…@aol.com

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Hi Ali, Thanks for the response. I will print your letter and keep it so I can consider a heart work up. I can’t imagine however that I could have a heart problem. My work out consists of –are you ready for this– six days a week I "walk" eight miles on my treadmill while holding on to the guardrails so I won;t slip but going 9 1/2 minute miles. If I walk normally(not holding on) I maintain 12 minute miles. I "recover" almost immediately (within a minute or two) so that I am breathing normally,

etc.

I then go to the gym and lift ( heavy) weights for 45 minutes. This may sound like a lot but pre meno and pre thyroid I ran at least this much each day before going to the gym. I can relate more to stress , however, especially the insidious kind. I have a truly wonderful husband and son and I love my job. Yet time is always an issue. While I’m saying this, however, my mental censor is reminding me that I have this problem during the summer when I’m off of work. Still the problem seems more stress related. Perhaps I should

have

a test for adrenal function. Can this feeling be a variation on hot flashes (which I have never had)? Thanks very much for your suggestions. I would love to find a doctor who could diagnose this and perhaps with suggestions for appropriate lab

work,

that will be possible. Zee ZeeS…@Aol.com I know AOL stinks, but hey, it’s better than nothing. "Crystal, Herbs, Swans, exercise, Low Fat Food, chinese food and Armour

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It has been my impression that it is the adrenalin rush and racing heart that actually wake me up at night. Once I’m awakened, feeling restless

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uneasy, the hotflash comes on – and it’s actually reassuring! "Oh, I’m

not

having a heart attack after all…it’s just a hotflash!" -Gail

Dear Gail, That is how Motherwort extract works against the hot flashes…… They are tied to the "fight or flight" response. The motherwort extract’s latin name is "lionuris cardiaca" Lion Heart….. The stuff works on the hotflash and the adrenaline rush and the pounding heart panicky feeling. I found if I take a half a dropperful at bedtime in a bit of water that,that night was a calmer one. Regards, Evelyn — ****************************************************** Peter and Evelyn Ruut (pudd…@ny.frontiercom.net) note: add another *m* to my address to defeat spamsters ("`-”-/").___..–”"`-._ `6_ 6 ) `-. ( ).`-.___.`) (_Y_.)’ ._ ) `._ `. “-..-’ _..`–’_..-_/ /–’_.’ ’ (il),-” (li),’ ((!.-” "We are what we think, all that we are arises with our thoughts" The Dhammapada ****************************************************** – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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It has been my impression that it is the adrenalin rush and racing heart that actually wake me up at night. Once I’m awakened, feeling restless

and

uneasy, the hotflash comes on – and it’s actually reassuring! "Oh, I’m

not

having a heart attack after all…it’s just a hotflash!" -Gail

Gail, Do you experience this during the day? If so, is it somewhat cyclic as your hormones wax and wane? Zee ZeeS…@Aol.com I know AOL stinks, but hey, it’s better than nothing. "Crystal, Herbs, Swans, exercise, Low Fat Food, chinese food and Armour Natural Thyrdoid; or any combination of the above(In no particular order)"

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I urge that you not use caution when using the treadmill. Common failure modes could result in a sudden increase to full speed. You could easily sustain severe injuries. I urge that readers pass the word about this problem to other forums since I am unable to cover all the possibilities myself and may not be aware of all the appropriate forums.

I am very fortunate to have a Quinton treadmill. I can’t imagine having any safety concerns while using this model. I had been running for about 10 years when I got my first treadmill, a Trotter. After an upgrade to another Trotter we decided to get the best and be through with it. I have had my Quinton for a year and a half. Other than just having the front roller replaced (I use it a lot), I have had no problems and couldn’t be more pleased. ZeeSwan ZeeS…@Aol.com I know AOL stinks, but hey, it’s better than nothing. "Crystal, Herbs, Swans, exercise, Low Fat Food, chinese food and Armour Natural Thyrdoid; or any combination of the above(In no particular order)"

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HomemakerJ (ho…@interaccess.com) wrote:

: Hi Zee, : Not to discourage you at all from Ali’s suggestions, if that isn’t the : kind of heart workup you’ve already had, but bouts of rapid heartbeat is : symptom #2 on our list. When it comes to the scarey things, even if you : think it’s probably menopause, it’s not a bad idea to eliminate the : other possibilities. A sidelight is that it often bides the time while : you are experiencing the symptom and just as your fears and worries go : away, so does the symptom. : And many people have described an adrenalin rush as what they feel just : before the onset of a hotflash, symptom #1 or a panic attack, symptom : #10. : Just wanted to cover all the possibilities. Sometimes we overlook the : small stuff. Hope your symptoms calm down soon. : Cool Runnings, : HomemakerJ It has been my impression that it is the adrenalin rush and racing heart that actually wake me up at night. Once I’m awakened, feeling restless and uneasy, the hotflash comes on – and it’s actually reassuring! "Oh, I’m not having a heart attack after all…it’s just a hotflash!" -Gail

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wrote: …. ZeeSwan <zees…@aol.com wrote in article <19970524092101.FAA12…@ladder01.news.aol.com… Hi Ali, Thanks for the response. I will print your letter and keep it so I can consider a heart work up. I can’t imagine however that I could have a heart problem. My work out consists of –are you ready for this– six ….

I don’t know what you have seen at this point, but do take the meno heart probs seriously; you aren’t exempt because you do a lot of exercise (although that may exempt you from non-meno heart probs, I just don’t know). Menopause symptoms can be very severe for those who exercise a lot, and very light for those who don’t. As well as of course v.v. Cathe (real email "brow…@haskins.yale.eedu" except replace the "ee" in "eedu" so "edu" has a single "e") [Note: Haskins, a non-profit speech research lab, is *not* part of Yale.]

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I urge that you not use caution when using the treadmill. Common failure modes could result in a sudden increase to full speed. You could easily sustain severe injuries. I urge that readers pass the word about this problem to other forums since I am unable to cover all the possibilities myself and may not be aware of all the appropriate forums. I have identified numerous and egregious design deficiencies in motorized treadmill products. I became interested in this issue as a result of my daughter being injured two years ago on a treadmill which was on display in a Sears store. As a result of both my daughter

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Prozak

Question:

I took Prozak short term. I took Paxil for a longer period of time and actually liked it better for the preventative effect however with both of them, I had weight gain.

I think that’s almost universal with antidepressants. Dana (my antidepressant is making me fat, and that’s making me depressed.) :^)

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I took Paxil also…gained ten pounds that I’m still struggling to get off. I think I’m going to pass on the Prozac and just find me a better neuro that is willing to try some other combinations. I never had any luck with Paxil helping my migraines or the CDH. Thanks, Michelle

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I took Prozak short term. I took Paxil for a longer period of time and actually liked it better for the preventative effect however with both of them, I had weight gain. Also–with Paxil, if you have any kind of kidney or liver problems, they will allow you to remain on it for a much shorter time than other folks are permitted. I seem to have results just as fine from beta blockers. But beware of those aswell–weight gain there too–which is also why I frequent alt.diet.weightwatchers!! — Sharon Amabile Wife, mother, perpetual student and frequent volunteer Okay, despite the failed neuro appt, I will do what she told me not to do…research the ng and on the internet. Does anyone here take or have you taken Prozak? She wanted me to take the prescription that is only once a week. The only antidepressants I’ve ever taken are Paxil (gained 10 lbs) and Effexor (short term–and liked it). I’ve heard negative and positive on Prozak and just wonder how people weigh in on the subject. Did it help your migraines if you took it? I have chronic daily headaches and that’s what we’re talking about here. Thanks, Michelle

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I took Prozak short term. I took Paxil for a longer period of time and actually liked it better for the preventative effect however with both of them, I had weight gain. Also–with Paxil, if you have any kind of kidney or liver problems, they will allow you to remain on it for a much shorter time than other folks are permitted. I seem to have results just as fine from beta blockers. But beware of those aswell–weight gain there too–which is also why I frequent alt.diet.weightwatchers!! — Sharon Amabile Wife, mother, perpetual student and frequent volunteer

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I’ve heard negative and positive on Prozak and just wonder how people weigh in on the subject. Did it help your migraines if you took it? I have chronic daily headaches and that’s what we’re talking about here.

It didn’t help my headaches, and made me totally crazed. (Which does happen occasionally with Prozac.) But I was on a very high dose, not-for-headaches type dose, and when I starrted hearing voices was taken off of it immediately. I take Elavil now (in the dose for headaches) and it works well for me. Best of luck to you… Dana

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I have taken prozac for eight months. No weight gain or loss. I had muscle aches all over but it went away after a few months. I take it for anxiety and the doctor said it might help with my headaches. I lost my sense of well being so this has helped. I know I was mildly depressed. Even though you hate to think about the possibility that you might be depressed, people who live in pain probably are to some degree. If the antidepressants help, so what if you have to take them. I do have daily headaches. As soon as I get even a twinge, I will take something so it does not get any worse. I lived with very bad migraines since I was 18. Back in the 60’s we did not have the meds that we can get now. Thank goodness for fioricete and hydrocodone (spelling), etc. It would have made my life much easier if we had them around then. Oh, Oh, this is getting too long. I just wanted to speak my mind. Di

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Oh, just what I need…to be crawling the walls. I probably would, too Those doctors just don’t realize how much stock we put into their directions. On one hand they want you to be smart, on the other they want you to be a dummy. One can’t win for losing. Thanks, Michelle

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was put on Prozac once for my headaches….and in about three days I was a total basket case. I couldn’t sleep, I was climbing the walls from anxiety, praying for protection and pacing the floor all one night. The doctor who prescribed it said it might have a few unpleasant side effects but to stick with it and they’d go away. By the time I was desperate and called her, she was gone to a convention. I kept taking it because she said they would "go away." I finally got her replacement who said a little impatiently, "You’re reacting badly to it. Just stop taking it!" Duh – I would have if she hadn’t told me to keep taking it! But I think I am the unusual one. It seems to be a wonderful drug for most people who take it. Phyllis Okay, despite the failed neuro appt, I will do what she told me not to do…research the ng and on the internet. Does anyone here take or have you taken Prozak? She wanted me to take the prescription that is only once a week. The only antidepressants I’ve ever taken are Paxil (gained 10 lbs) and Effexor (short term–and liked it). I’ve heard negative and positive on Prozak and just wonder how people weigh in on the subject. Did it help your migraines if you took it? I have chronic daily headaches and that’s what we’re talking about here. Thanks, Michelle

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Actually I am a Sonata addict. She got all over me about that–and I wondered "why then did my famous doctor prescribe it in the first place…and continue to fill it?" But I need to quit taking that stuff. I can do without it, but I have to be pretty darn tired. Thanks and when I find a new and improved doctor, I’ll ask about that. Michelle

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Michelle I am "also" one of those who reacts badly to ANY med that can affect sleep…invariably I will get poor sleep as a result… Just a tip…some antidep are known to be "activating" and some to be "sedating"….ask your doc to avoid the former and aim for the latter….looking up the potential side effects usually say which is which (as I cannot remember off the top of my head…sorry.) Also years ago my headache doc introduced me to Trazadone..probably initially to offset some med that was messing with my sleep….Trazadone is an antidep too…but is known for its great sleep inducing properties…EVEN if it doesn’t do a thing for depression!!! Now I can’t sleep without it!!! But nothing like Ambien or other true sleeping meds that can lose their effectiveness… Cyndi Deerfield can attest to how much Trazadone helped her!! Another name for it…Deseyrl…not sure which is brand and which is generic.. Prozac etc….all mostly were "activating" for me….tho aren’t always….leave it to me to be the different one… rb Hawki…..the nurse practitioner

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Michelle I am "also" one of those who reacts badly to ANY med that can affect sleep…invariably I will get poor sleep as a result… Just a tip…some antidep are known to be "activating" and some to be "sedating"….ask your doc to avoid the former and aim for the latter….looking up the potential side effects usually say which is which (as I cannot remember off the top of my head…sorry.) Also years ago my headache doc introduced me to Trazadone..probably initially to offset some med that was messing with my sleep….Trazadone is an antidep too…but is known for its great sleep inducing properties…EVEN if it doesn’t do a thing for depression!!! Now I can’t sleep without it!!! But nothing like Ambien or other true sleeping meds that can lose their effectiveness… Cyndi Deerfield can attest to how much Trazadone helped her!! Another name for it…Deseyrl…not sure which is brand and which is generic.. Prozac etc….all mostly were "activating" for me….tho aren’t always….leave it to me to be the different one… rb Hawki…..the nurse practitioner

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I was put on Prozac once for my headaches….and in about three days I was a total basket case. I couldn’t sleep, I was climbing the walls from anxiety, praying for protection and pacing the floor all one night. The doctor who prescribed it said it might have a few unpleasant side effects but to stick with it and they’d go away. By the time I was desperate and called her, she was gone to a convention. I kept taking it because she said they would "go away." I finally got her replacement who said a little impatiently, "You’re reacting badly to it. Just stop taking it!" Duh – I would have if she hadn’t told me to keep taking it! But I think I am the unusual one. It seems to be a wonderful drug for most people who take it. Phyllis

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That’s great information. I read somewhere that they should start you on the daily version before moving you to the weekly meds. I don’t think my doctor thought much about any of that when she scribbled off the prescription. Funny about the sleeplessness considering the doctor knows I’m an insomniac. Maybe she just figures the medications would take away (my anxiety??). I still am bothered by her assumption I am depressed. I’ve been there before and I know I am not depressed! Oh well. Michelle

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Michelle.. I’ve taken Prozac for quite a long time for anxiety. My weight has been up and down so many times since then that I rather doubt that it was the cause or effect. It works wonders for my anxiety, but I don’t think it does anything for the migraines. My doc put me on the once a week version a few months ago. Towards the end of that week, I noticed a return of my original anxiety so he just switched me back. I’m taking 20 mg, once a day (in the morning to avoid the sleeplessness). Hope I’ve helped…. Liz Okay, despite the failed neuro appt, I will do what she told me not to do…research the ng and on the internet. Does anyone here take or have you taken Prozak? She wanted me to take the prescription that is only once a week. The only antidepressants I’ve ever taken are Paxil (gained 10 lbs) and Effexor (short term–and liked it). I’ve heard negative and positive on Prozak and just wonder how people weigh in on the subject. Did it help your migraines if you took it? I have chronic daily headaches and that’s what we’re talking about here. Thanks, Michelle

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Hi Michelle.. I’ve taken Prozac for quite a long time for anxiety. My weight has been up and down so many times since then that I rather doubt that it was the cause or effect. It works wonders for my anxiety, but I don’t think it does anything for the migraines. My doc put me on the once a week version a few months ago. Towards the end of that week, I noticed a return of my original anxiety so he just switched me back. I’m taking 20 mg, once a day (in the morning to avoid the sleeplessness). Hope I’ve helped…. Liz

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Thanks, Barbara, I did notice I spelled that funny, but there is no edit once I send. Thanks for your info, Michelle

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Michelle: It is spelled Prozac not Prozak and I take Prozac not for migraines, but for my Attention Deficit Disorder and for Depression. For me Prozac doesn’t do anything for my migraines. Barbara Booth

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Thanks, She knew I had already tried Paxil and that didn’t do anything other than add ten pounds Do you remember any side effects you had with the Prozac? Michelle

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Okay, despite the failed neuro appt, I will do what she told me not to do…research the ng and on the internet. Does anyone here take or have you taken Prozak? She wanted me to take the prescription that is only once a week. The only antidepressants I’ve ever taken are Paxil (gained 10 lbs) and Effexor (short term–and liked it). I’ve heard negative and positive on Prozak and just wonder how people weigh in on the subject. Did it help your migraines if you took it? I have chronic daily headaches and that’s what we’re talking about here. Prozac was the first antidepressant I went on, seven years ago. It worked very well on my depression, and I think it reduced the number and severity of my migraines. I did not have chronic daily headaches. I had hormonal and food- and chemical-triggered moderate to severe 12 hour migraines, about 6 or 7 a month on average, I think, maybe 2 severe and 4-5 moderate. I ended up going off Prozac and onto Zoloft and then onto Celexa as the years went by. Each got more refined in how it addressed my serotonin problem, and the side-effects improved with each. I am now on Celexa, 40 mg daily. A few years ago I added Atenalol as a preventative, and that has proved miraculous for me. I can eat MSG again, which is wonderful as I love to cook and eat Chinese, and it’s hard to find MSG free Asian foods in the Asian market. I wonder why she suggested Prozac, when there are so many other SSRIs now. Priscilla — "Love is not something wonderful that you feel; it is something difficult that you do." – Elizabeth Goudge

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Michelle: It is spelled Prozac not Prozak and I take Prozac not for migraines, but for my Attention Deficit Disorder and for Depression. For me Prozac doesn’t do anything for my migraines. Barbara Booth

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Okay, despite the failed neuro appt, I will do what she told me not to do…research the ng and on the internet. Does anyone here take or have you taken Prozak? She wanted me to take the prescription that is only once a week. The only antidepressants I’ve ever taken are Paxil (gained 10 lbs) and Effexor (short term–and liked it). I’ve heard negative and positive on Prozak and just wonder how people weigh in on the subject. Did it help your migraines if you took it? I have chronic daily headaches and that’s what we’re talking about here. Thanks, Michelle

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Prozac was the first antidepressant I went on, seven years ago. It worked very well on my depression, and I think it reduced the number and severity of my migraines. I did not have chronic daily headaches. I had hormonal and food- and chemical-triggered moderate to severe 12 hour migraines, about 6 or 7 a month on average, I think, maybe 2 severe and 4-5 moderate. I ended up going off Prozac and onto Zoloft and then onto Celexa as the years went by. Each got more refined in how it addressed my serotonin problem, and the side-effects improved with each. I am now on Celexa, 40 mg daily. A few years ago I added Atenalol as a preventative, and that has proved miraculous for me. I can eat MSG again, which is wonderful as I love to cook and eat Chinese, and it’s hard to find MSG free Asian foods in the Asian market. I wonder why she suggested Prozac, when there are so many other SSRIs now. Priscilla — "Love is not something wonderful that you feel; it is something difficult that you do." – Elizabeth Goudge

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I saw the Neuro (LONG)

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Post-neuro greetings… Well, to start off with, the neuro, a woman, was very nice. Is a migraineur, and understands what pain is. Next, she really focuses on HAs and has a very thorough office exam and such for patients. She does not believe in letting you suffer, but also does not prescribe any opioids. She believes they are best used in the role of "end of life comfort issues." Next, she was totally unconvinced that the NTI has any value whatsoever, but said if I like having it in my mouth, she has no problem with it (teddy bear effect?). She discussed my history, noticed some things we had overlooked. She also backed herself into a corner. When I told her the purpose of the NTI was to counter clenching, or bruxism, she said uhhuh. She disappeared while I got dressed (REAL thorough office exam….) and re-appeared after doing some online research and saying that bruxism can be a migraine trigger. Interestingly enough, Ambien, which is a sleeping aid, is the frontline medical treatment for bruxism. It knocks you so dead you cannot clench your teeth or anything else. I had told her I was given Ambien when I travel, and since that time I have never had a migraine away from home, and could this be something more than just a sleep situation. She said the Ambien knocking out the bruxism is why the migraines left on the road. Thus she had painted herself into the corner… "So the NTI shuts down the bruxism, thus no migraines?" I axed. Well, she says the NTI (she said splint) cannot stop the activity, only keeps the teeth from touching to prevent damage to the teeth. When I explained that the NTI uses the front teeth to contact each other and the biting reflex to reduce the actual clenching, not just keeping the teeth from touching like a splint, she gives me a healthy Hmmmmm…. looks in my mouth and says Interesting. She said my HAs prior to the NTI were likely pure rebound (like I said she’d say), from my sinus meds and the number of Maxalt I was taking. She agreed the NTI broke the rebound cycle (more than I thought she would say), but is skeptical as to its long-term effectiveness (totally expected), even though she totally agreed that bruxism is likely my major trigger and treating it will reduce or eliminate migraines. She wrote me a prescription for as many Maxalts as my insurance would fill (no limit from them, County government-self insured) changed me to claritin for my sinus, and gave me Elavill as a preventative, a sleep aid and bruxism treatment, since it is effective in reducing bruxism like Ambien is. So she says the preventative/sleep aid/bruxism aid, switch in sinus medicine, and keeping that thing in my mouth may greatly reduce my migraines. Of course, I told her just keeping that thing in my mouth had already done that. Then the wacko statement. "I’m glad you have that much confidence in that, because such confidence can be very healing." The old, "that thing really doesn’t help but you think it does so your symptoms go away because you are a wacko…" answer. Just what I needed. She piled me up with maxalt to take home free (to stack with the ones I took to show her I hadn’t needed them?) scheduled me for an MRI and a followup visit. She also had a vampire completely drain me of all bodily fluids for the lab. I did have some fun on the pre-visit questions. One question asked if any family members had ‘ticks’ I said no but my first wife had ‘fleas’. It asked if I hear voices, I said yes, but only when people are speaking. rich

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I did have some fun on the pre-visit questions. One question asked if any family members had ‘ticks’ I said no but my first wife had ‘fleas’. It asked if I hear voices, I said yes, but only when people are speaking.

ROTFL! thx, Labutski

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Rich You could probably make MORE money writing for Seinfield and the ilk!!! Your postings are a breath of fresh air!! You make my days… thanks.. rb Hawki…..the nurse practitioner

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I apologize for the side trip, but this reminded my of one of my all-time favorite t-shirts that I’ve seen. It read: Four of the five voices in my head want to sleep with you. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It asked if I hear voices, I said yes, but only when people are speaking. rich

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ROTFL Rich, Well at least you had a little fun with the pre-questions…I hope you are looking for a new neuro! hugs (wishing you pain free days and nights) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Post-neuro greetings… Well, to start off with, the neuro, a woman, was very nice. Is a migraineur, and understands what pain is. Next, she really focuses on HAs and has a very thorough office exam and such for patients. She does not believe in letting you suffer, but also does not prescribe any opioids. She believes they are best used in the role of "end of life comfort issues." Next, she was totally unconvinced that the NTI has any value whatsoever, but said if I like having it in my mouth, she has no problem with it (teddy bear effect?). She discussed my history, noticed some things we had overlooked. She also backed herself into a corner. When I told her the purpose of the NTI was to counter clenching, or bruxism, she said uhhuh. She disappeared while I got dressed (REAL thorough office exam….) and re-appeared after doing some online research and saying that bruxism can be a migraine trigger. Interestingly enough, Ambien, which is a sleeping aid, is the frontline medical treatment for bruxism. It knocks you so dead you cannot clench your teeth or anything else. I had told her I was given Ambien when I travel, and since that time I have never had a migraine away from home, and could this be something more than just a sleep situation. She said the Ambien knocking out the bruxism is why the migraines left on the road. Thus she had painted herself into the corner… "So the NTI shuts down the bruxism, thus no migraines?" I axed. Well, she says the NTI (she said splint) cannot stop the activity, only keeps the teeth from touching to prevent damage to the teeth. When I explained that the NTI uses the front teeth to contact each other and the biting reflex to reduce the actual clenching, not just keeping the teeth from touching like a splint, she gives me a healthy Hmmmmm…. looks in my mouth and says Interesting. She said my HAs prior to the NTI were likely pure rebound (like I said she’d say), from my sinus meds and the number of Maxalt I was taking. She agreed the NTI broke the rebound cycle (more than I thought she would say), but is skeptical as to its long-term effectiveness (totally expected), even though she totally agreed that bruxism is likely my major trigger and treating it will reduce or eliminate migraines. She wrote me a prescription for as many Maxalts as my insurance would fill (no limit from them, County government-self insured) changed me to claritin for my sinus, and gave me Elavill as a preventative, a sleep aid and bruxism treatment, since it is effective in reducing bruxism like Ambien is. So she says the preventative/sleep aid/bruxism aid, switch in sinus medicine, and keeping that thing in my mouth may greatly reduce my migraines. Of course, I told her just keeping that thing in my mouth had already done that. Then the wacko statement. "I’m glad you have that much confidence in that, because such confidence can be very healing." The old, "that thing really doesn’t help but you think it does so your symptoms go away because you are a wacko…" answer. Just what I needed. She piled me up with maxalt to take home free (to stack with the ones I took to show her I hadn’t needed them?) scheduled me for an MRI and a followup visit. She also had a vampire completely drain me of all bodily fluids for the lab. I did have some fun on the pre-visit questions. One question asked if any family members had ‘ticks’ I said no but my first wife had ‘fleas’. It asked if I hear voices, I said yes, but only when people are speaking. rich

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I’m curious about the sinus meds. I’ve been taking over the counter sinus meds for years almost daily. I didn’t want to get into having to see another doctor for an allergy prescription. What were you taking that she felt the Claritin replaced in a better way? Interesting. Michelle

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Post-neuro greetings… Well, to start off with, the neuro, a woman, was very nice. Is a migraineur, and understands what pain is. Next, she really focuses on HAs and has a very thorough office exam and such for patients. She does not believe in letting you suffer, but also does not prescribe any opioids. She believes they are best used in the role of "end of life comfort issues." Next, she was totally unconvinced that the NTI has any value whatsoever, but said if I like having it in my mouth, she has no problem with it (teddy bear effect?). She discussed my history, noticed some things we had overlooked. She also backed herself into a corner. When I told her the purpose of the NTI was to counter clenching, or bruxism, she said uhhuh. She disappeared while I got dressed (REAL thorough office exam….) and re-appeared after doing some online research and saying that bruxism can be a migraine trigger. Interestingly enough, Ambien, which is a sleeping aid, is the frontline medical treatment for bruxism. It knocks you so dead you cannot clench your teeth or anything else. I had told her I was given Ambien when I travel, and since that time I have never had a migraine away from home, and could this be something more than just a sleep situation. She said the Ambien knocking out the bruxism is why the migraines left on the road. Thus she had painted herself into the corner… "So the NTI shuts down the bruxism, thus no migraines?" I axed. Well, she says the NTI (she said splint) cannot stop the activity, only keeps the teeth from touching to prevent damage to the teeth. When I explained that the NTI uses the front teeth to contact each other and the biting reflex to reduce the actual clenching, not just keeping the teeth from touching like a splint, she gives me a healthy Hmmmmm…. looks in my mouth and says Interesting. She said my HAs prior to the NTI were likely pure rebound (like I said she’d say), from my sinus meds and the number of Maxalt I was taking. She agreed the NTI broke the rebound cycle (more than I thought she would say), but is skeptical as to its long-term effectiveness (totally expected), even though she totally agreed that bruxism is likely my major trigger and treating it will reduce or eliminate migraines. She wrote me a prescription for as many Maxalts as my insurance would fill (no limit from them, County government-self insured) changed me to claritin for my sinus, and gave me Elavill as a preventative, a sleep aid and bruxism treatment, since it is effective in reducing bruxism like Ambien is. So she says the preventative/sleep aid/bruxism aid, switch in sinus medicine, and keeping that thing in my mouth may greatly reduce my migraines. Of course, I told her just keeping that thing in my mouth had already done that. Then the wacko statement. "I’m glad you have that much confidence in that, because such confidence can be very healing." The old, "that thing really doesn’t help but you think it does so your symptoms go away because you are a wacko…" answer. Just what I needed. She piled me up with maxalt to take home free (to stack with the ones I took to show her I hadn’t needed them?) scheduled me for an MRI and a followup visit. She also had a vampire completely drain me of all bodily fluids for the lab. I did have some fun on the pre-visit questions. One question asked if any family members had ‘ticks’ I said no but my first wife had ‘fleas’. It asked if I hear voices, I said yes, but only when people are speaking. rich

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You aren’t going to seriously keep this neuro, are you? She sounds like the type of doctor that would drive me NUTS! In fact, she sounds a little nuts herself! Opiates only for "end of life" comfort? So we’re only allowed to be out of excruciating pain when we’re dying? Gee, how decent of her. <gag I would have walked out of there in a hurry. I’ve gotta admire your patience. — <3))))~~ A dog has the soul of a philosopher. –Plato

: Post-neuro greetings… : : Well, to start off with, the neuro, a woman, was very nice. Is a : migraineur, and understands what pain is. Next, she really focuses on : HAs and has a very thorough office exam and such for patients. She : does not believe in letting you suffer, but also does not prescribe : any opioids. She believes they are best used in the role of "end of : life comfort issues." : : Next, she was totally unconvinced that the NTI has any value : whatsoever, but said if I like having it in my mouth, she has no : problem with it (teddy bear effect?). She discussed my history, : noticed some things we had overlooked. She also backed herself into a : corner. : : When I told her the purpose of the NTI was to counter clenching, or : bruxism, she said uhhuh. She disappeared while I got dressed (REAL : thorough office exam….) and re-appeared after doing some online : research and saying that bruxism can be a migraine trigger. : : Interestingly enough, Ambien, which is a sleeping aid, is the : frontline medical treatment for bruxism. It knocks you so dead you : cannot clench your teeth or anything else. I had told her I was given : Ambien when I travel, and since that time I have never had a migraine : away from home, and could this be something more than just a sleep : situation. She said the Ambien knocking out the bruxism is why the : migraines left on the road. Thus she had painted herself into the : corner… "So the NTI shuts down the bruxism, thus no migraines?" I : axed. Well, she says the NTI (she said splint) cannot stop the : activity, only keeps the teeth from touching to prevent damage to the : teeth. When I explained that the NTI uses the front teeth to contact : each other and the biting reflex to reduce the actual clenching, not : just keeping the teeth from touching like a splint, she gives me a : healthy Hmmmmm…. looks in my mouth and says Interesting. : : She said my HAs prior to the NTI were likely pure rebound (like I said : she’d say), from my sinus meds and the number of Maxalt I was taking. : She agreed the NTI broke the rebound cycle (more than I thought she : would say), but is skeptical as to its long-term effectiveness : (totally expected), even though she totally agreed that bruxism is : likely my major trigger and treating it will reduce or eliminate : migraines. : : She wrote me a prescription for as many Maxalts as my insurance would : fill (no limit from them, County government-self insured) changed me : to claritin for my sinus, and gave me Elavill as a preventative, a : sleep aid and bruxism treatment, since it is effective in reducing : bruxism like Ambien is. So she says the preventative/sleep aid/bruxism : aid, switch in sinus medicine, and keeping that thing in my mouth may : greatly reduce my migraines. Of course, I told her just keeping that : thing in my mouth had already done that. : : Then the wacko statement. "I’m glad you have that much confidence in : that, because such confidence can be very healing." The old, "that : thing really doesn’t help but you think it does so your symptoms go : away because you are a wacko…" answer. Just what I needed. : : She piled me up with maxalt to take home free (to stack with the ones : I took to show her I hadn’t needed them?) scheduled me for an MRI and : a followup visit. She also had a vampire completely drain me of all : bodily fluids for the lab. : : I did have some fun on the pre-visit questions. One question asked if : any family members had ‘ticks’ I said no but my first wife had : ‘fleas’. It asked if I hear voices, I said yes, but only when people : are speaking. : : rich

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Wow, and that’s my favorite medicine for allergies. I’ve been using a combo medicine of that and an antihistimine…Walgreens brand. I have an appt with my GP on Monday next week and I’m going to ask him for some Claritin-D. Please, Rich, post an update as it goes. Isn’t the rebound cycle about two weeks if you haven’t taken the stuff? That’s about how long it took me for my Excedrin addiction. I’d hate to say I’d be curious if your headache subsided if you took it again…don’t take that as a temptation…just curious. Thanks for the info…I hadn’t even targeted that medicine for these daily headaches. Michelle

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m curious about the sinus meds. I’ve been taking over the counter sinus meds for years almost daily. I didn’t want to get into having to see another doctor for an allergy prescription. What were you taking that she felt the Claritin replaced in a better way? Interesting. Michelle pseudoephedrine (sp?) She said it is poison for rebound. She is right. I am living in hell NTI and all. One solid migraine since I stopped taking it. Dunno how much more of this I am going to put up with before I take the stuff again. rich

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pseudoephedrine (sp?) She said it is poison for rebound. She is right. I am living in hell NTI and all. One solid migraine since I stopped taking it. Dunno how much more of this I am going to put up with before I take the stuff again. rich

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experiences with Zoloft? Not sleeping here

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Have you tried melatonin? 3-6 mg, it can work wonders! The best is the sublingual. You can take 3 mg before bed, then up to another 3mg at any time during the night. No hangover… Also try breathing slowly through the left nosrtil only for 15-20 minutes. This is a yoga technique and is very relaxing.. Good luck! DF

DF, A note of caution. I used to take melatonin every night, and it definitely helped me sleep. That was in my pre-antidepressant days. My pdoc cautioned me not to take melatonin anymore because it does not mix well with ADs. It even says so on the melatonin bottle. I have a lifetime supply of melatonin sitting in a closet. Frank

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I can’t sleep! 2 hours last night. Tried to nap today, only could get a 30 minute one and still can’t go to sleep at almost 2 a:m. Benedryl knocks me for a loop as with any other sleep aids. I took a xanax and it’s not doing much to help. I need sleep, walking around in a haze. Depressed? not so bad, I’m too dang tired to be crashing. Cindy

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My pdoc cautioned me not to take melatonin anymore because it does not mix well with ADs. Thanks, you probably saved me some money here. I have a lifetime supply of melatonin sitting in a closet. I’ve got a drawer full of samples of AD’s that I couldn’t tolerate or grew resistant too but can’t just throw them out, I could add them to your closet. Anyways, thanks, Cindy

Cindy, You’re welcome. It’s become a habit of mine to warn people when they mention melatonin. I hated to give it up myself, but then again, the Trazadone has more than made up for it…:) Frank

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Also try breathing slowly through the left nosrtil only for 15-20 minutes. This is a yoga technique and is very relaxing..

hmmmm, I’ll try this. I’ve wanted to get involved in yoga for a long time. I just can’t get my butt out of this house to go to classes, but I think it would help me deal with stress and depression better. This one sounds easy enough and I don’t have to leave my house Thanks, Cindy

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My pdoc cautioned me not to take melatonin anymore because it does not mix well with ADs.

Thanks, you probably saved me some money here. I have a lifetime supply of melatonin sitting in a closet. I’ve got a drawer full of samples of AD’s that I couldn’t tolerate or grew resistant too but can’t just throw them out, I could add them to your closet. Anyways, thanks, Cindy

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do you take the zoloft in the morning or before bed?

I take it in the morning and am on 25 mg, he wants me to build up to 100mg. ask your doc for something to help you sleep…….like ambien or trazadone.

More meds? sigh….I will if I need to. He always tells me to take benedryl. He’d probably give me something else if I asked for it though. Hope I don’t need it. Probably I didn’t help a bit……hope things turn out ok. Yes it did. Thanks for responding, Cindy

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Tiredness around the eyes

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m always tired around the eyes. I wake up, and I don’t feel refreshed, even if I get enough sleep. I take about 75 mg of diphenhydramine, and a couple beers each night and that usually gets me to sleep. Then I’m dog-tired when I get up, it takes me 1 hour and lots of coffee. I’m ready to go after I shower, but I still have dark circles under my eyes, and it’s like a dull, subtle pressure around my eyes. I think it’s the combo of chemicals I’m putting in my body, plus I get woken up at least 1-2x in the morning before I really plan to get up: Bruno, cell phone, regular phone, doorbell, meteor falling on my head. Anyone get this? I just can’t seem to shake it. I need a real sleep pattern where I get up the same time everyday, without a lot of effort. I want to be waking up naturally. I struggle with fatigue all the time. Sometimes I wonder if it’s the price I’m paying for burning the candle at both ends for so many years. I don’t get circles around my eyes or anything, just a fuzzy, groggy feeling that lasts most of the day. Sometimes I wonder if maybe it’s from quitting smoking and drinking coffee. (I might have a cup once/month) I used to smoke 2+packs/day, and a lot of coffee. I would drink a pot of coffee after dinner every evening and had no trouble sleeping! I think I was running on caffeine, nicotine, and adreneline for years. Now, without that, I can’t seem to stay awake. The only insight I have into your situation is that sleep that’s interrupted like yours has a lot to do with feeling tired all day. I’m sure of that. — Steppenwolf "It is not our purpose to become each other; it is to recognize each other, to learn to see the other and honor him for what he is. –Hermann Hesse

I’m only 23, and I have the same problem… I guess it’s a lazy gene or something. I don’t think I have chronic fatigue syndrome, but some days it feels like it. Being on zyprexa doesn’t much. Coffee doesn’t help me much. It sucks… But when I’m asleep I *really* enjoy it. I have at least one good lucid dream a week. Real shame I forget about what I dreamt by lunchtime. Maybe I should write it down first thing when I wake up… Rambling again…

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m always tired around the eyes. I wake up, and I don’t feel refreshed, even if I get enough sleep. I take about 75 mg of diphenhydramine, and a couple beers each night and that usually gets me to sleep. ahhhhh, that diphenhydramine can be killer. some people are very sensitive to it. I know; I myself am. I found that as long as I was taking the stuff to sleep every night, I was more and more zombie like in the am. If your pdoc is open to the idea, maybe you can try one of the mild sleepers, like ambien or even trazadone (if you haven’t already). In general, those don’t tend to make you zombie-ish when you wake up-in most people. http://treefrog99.homestead.com/home.html

Oh, trazadone knocked me on my ass. Wombn gave me one when I first got to Cali. I’m backing off on the diphen-blahblahblah now. I also gotta watch my beer and caffeine intake too. I really think I should go cold turkey on all the chemicals, but that thought sends me into a panic. I’m trying to ease off them. I’m definitely putting way too much coffee in my body.

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I’m always tired around the eyes. I wake up, and I don’t feel refreshed, even if I get enough sleep. I take about 75 mg of diphenhydramine, and a couple beers each night and that usually gets me to sleep. Then I’m dog-tired when I get up, it takes me 1 hour and lots of coffee. I’m ready to go after I shower, but I still have dark circles under my eyes, and it’s like a dull, subtle pressure around my eyes. I think it’s the combo of chemicals I’m putting in my body, plus I get woken up at least 1-2x in the morning before I really plan to get up: Bruno, cell phone, regular phone, doorbell, meteor falling on my head. Anyone get this? I just can’t seem to shake it. I need a real sleep pattern where I get up the same time everyday, without a lot of effort. I want to be waking up naturally.

I struggle with fatigue all the time. Sometimes I wonder if it’s the price I’m paying for burning the candle at both ends for so many years. I don’t get circles around my eyes or anything, just a fuzzy, groggy feeling that lasts most of the day. Sometimes I wonder if maybe it’s from quitting smoking and drinking coffee. (I might have a cup once/month) I used to smoke 2+packs/day, and a lot of coffee. I would drink a pot of coffee after dinner every evening and had no trouble sleeping! I think I was running on caffeine, nicotine, and adreneline for years. Now, without that, I can’t seem to stay awake. The only insight I have into your situation is that sleep that’s interrupted like yours has a lot to do with feeling tired all day. I’m sure of that. — Steppenwolf "It is not our purpose to become each other; it is to recognize each other, to learn to see the other and honor him for what he is. –Hermann Hesse

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seroquel

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – very much so–I can’t determine whether she is BP or schizophrenic I think BP and she talks variously of depression and/or psychosis or psychotic depression – of which BP is the only one I can think. we might end up together in a country where she wouldn’t have medical coverage and udeful to plan in advance are you planning on doing some travelling? (with someone you don’t know too well??) can you share your plans here? i like travel. jack. does anyone know of any cases in which seroquel is prescribed solely as an anti-insomnia prep. I’ve not heard of this, but it can make some people rather sleepy — still it seems that something like Ambien would be more appropriate for a sleep-aid. Sometimes it is used in conjunction with an anti-depressant to try to increase response, or to control low-level and/or background anxiety. Does it matter if your friend is using it this way or why she is? Fiona — If we had no winter, the spring would not be so pleasant: if we did not sometimes taste the adversity, prosperity would not be so welcome. — Anne Bradstreet, Meditations Divine and Moral, 1664 http://www.gyrefire.com was it a year or lives ago we caught the summer flying low

well . . . . yes carlie:) http://www.gyrefire.com was it a year or lives ago we caught the summer flying low

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My friend is using it purely as a sedative. Her doctor gives it to her to help her sleep and no other reason—so no your friend is not jerking your chain. "I have seen the sea when it is stormy and wild; when it is quiet and serene; when it is dark and moody. And in all its moods, I see myself." -Martin Buxbaum

OK thanks for that carl http://www.gyrefire.com was it a year or lives ago we caught the summer flying low

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My friend is using it purely as a sedative. Her doctor gives it to her to help her sleep and no other reason—so no your friend is not jerking your chain. "I have seen the sea when it is stormy and wild; when it is quiet and serene; when it is dark and moody. And in all its moods, I see myself." -Martin Buxbaum

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very much so–I can’t determine whether she is BP or schizophrenic I think BP and she talks variously of depression and/or psychosis or psychotic depression – of which BP is the only one I can think. we might end up together in a country where she wouldn’t have medical coverage and udeful to plan in advance – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – does anyone know of any cases in which seroquel is prescribed solely as an anti-insomnia prep. I’ve not heard of this, but it can make some people rather sleepy — still it seems that something like Ambien would be more appropriate for a sleep-aid. Sometimes it is used in conjunction with an anti-depressant to try to increase response, or to control low-level and/or background anxiety. Does it matter if your friend is using it this way or why she is? Fiona — If we had no winter, the spring would not be so pleasant: if we did not sometimes taste the adversity, prosperity would not be so welcome. — Anne Bradstreet, Meditations Divine and Moral, 1664

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does anyone know of any cases in which seroquel is prescribed solely as an anti-insomnia prep.

I’ve not heard of this, but it can make some people rather sleepy — still it seems that something like Ambien would be more appropriate for a sleep-aid. Sometimes it is used in conjunction with an anti-depressant to try to increase response, or to control low-level and/or background anxiety. Does it matter if your friend is using it this way or why she is? Fiona — If we had no winter, the spring would not be so pleasant: if we did not sometimes taste the adversity, prosperity would not be so welcome. – Anne Bradstreet, Meditations Divine and Moral, 1664

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I don’t know, I was just subscribed it for bipolar and I was on 75 mg during the day and 100mg during the night. It barely effected my sleeplessness. Although I felt heavily drugged at night. Sherie does anyone know of any cases in which seroquel is prescribed solely as an anti-insomnia prep. I know a girl who takes 50mg (100mg) on a bad day purely to sleep. However, seroquel’s primary indication is schizophrenia with some evidence of efficacy in bipolar. so is she kidding me? carl http://www.ipabc.com was it a year or lives ago we caught the summer flying low

ok–thanks to both posters carl http://www.ipabc.com was it a year or lives ago we caught the summer flying low

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I don’t know, I was just subscribed it for bipolar and I was on 75 mg during the day and 100mg during the night. It barely effected my sleeplessness. Although I felt heavily drugged at night. Sherie

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – does anyone know of any cases in which seroquel is prescribed solely as an anti-insomnia prep. I know a girl who takes 50mg (100mg) on a bad day purely to sleep. However, seroquel’s primary indication is schizophrenia with some evidence of efficacy in bipolar. so is she kidding me? carl http://www.ipabc.com was it a year or lives ago we caught the summer flying low

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – does anyone know of any cases in which seroquel is prescribed solely as an anti-insomnia prep. I know a girl who takes 50mg (100mg) on a bad day purely to sleep. However, seroquel’s primary indication is schizophrenia with some evidence of efficacy in bipolar. so is she kidding me? carl http://www.ipabc.com was it a year or lives ago we caught the summer flying low

Probably not. Seroquel is prescribed for many things. — "My friends, we are all interested in the future, for that is where you and I are going to spend the rest of our lives." Criswell The Psychic Weatherman

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does anyone know of any cases in which seroquel is prescribed solely as an anti-insomnia prep. I know a girl who takes 50mg (100mg) on a bad day purely to sleep. However, seroquel’s primary indication is schizophrenia with some evidence of efficacy in bipolar. so is she kidding me? carl http://www.ipabc.com was it a year or lives ago we caught the summer flying low

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still not sleeping

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Dianaa, Right. Me either. Infrequent and entirely unpredictable sleep has been the story of my life. I’ve tried benadryl, but that’s not always predictable. I haven’t been able to get a script because the long series of pschtrsts that my t sent me to all want to put me on a long list of other chemicals that I’m way afraid of. And what makes me even more afraid is that each and every shrink had a totally different idea about what px I should get. And they got very artistic, wanting to design all sorts of interesting combinations of antidepressants and antipsychotics and anticonvulsants… Everything but something to help me sleep when and only at the exact moment that insomnia occurred. The thing that all the shrinks agree on about me is that I’m confused and misinformed in my resistance to their guidance. I finally gave up going to any of them. I’d rather have insomnia than the stress of their strange interviews and insistance that I change my chemical structure. Maybe I can get a regular physician to prescribe something. Don’t know. Just changed plans. still not sleeping, too, trill * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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Hi, Dianaa, Sorry I can’t really help except to say that lots of ppl I know here go through long stretches without much sleep, then other long stretches with lots of it. For me, it has to do with whether I’m more anxious than depressed or more depressed than anxious. I think it’s related to both for many ppl, although sometimes it’s more complicated than that. It helps some ppl to exercise a few hours before bedtime, take a warm bath, drink warm milk, read, listen to relaxing music, or take meds (like Ambien). It usually helps if you have a routine for bedtime and if you don’t generally do other activities, like work or exercise, in your bedroom. What is watcher watching for? Is there some way that s/he can stay awake while some other insiders sleep? Esp the ppl who need to function the next day? Can you sleep during the day? Is there some way that s/he can feel more comfortable with all of you sleeping? Have you left a journal around asking her what s/he’s worried about and what things you might do so some of you could sleep for a while? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey all, Not sure what to do…..go to bed / stay up ???? Why’s everything seem so convoluted at this moment? Should be such a simple decision, the body is exhausted, as we haven’t been letting it get enough sleep…but for some reason, just can’t seem to give it what it so desperately needs. I mean, it’s already 12.50 am…she’s not gone be happy when she needs to get out of bed at 6.00 We’ve tried convincing ourselves, that its OK for us to get some rest. But the watcher is worried, as doesn’t like being in the house alone. The watcher doesn’t like sleep when not alone either….. Tries to convince us of the need to stay awake…. What if someone comes in the room…we can’t be vulnerable…must be ready to move real quick. But it’s safe now….. or is it?

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Hey all, Not sure what to do…..go to bed / stay up ???? Why’s everything seem so convoluted at this moment? Should be such a simple decision, the body is exhausted, as we haven’t been letting it get enough sleep…but for some reason, just can’t seem to give it what it so desperately needs. I mean, it’s already 12.50 am…she’s not gone be happy when she needs to get out of bed at 6.00 We’ve tried convincing ourselves, that its OK for us to get some rest. But the watcher is worried, as doesn’t like being in the house alone. The watcher doesn’t like sleep when not alone either….. Tries to convince us of the need to stay awake…. What if someone comes in the room…we can’t be vulnerable…must be ready to move real quick. But it’s safe now….. or is it?

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Paxil & sleep

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As you know, I’m only on my 2nd day of Paxil (I now know it will take a while to kick in), and I take it in the morning with breakfast. But I cannot sleep at night because my fears start the PAs once I get in bed! Does anyone know if there is something i can take to help me sleep that won’t interact with the Paxil? Or should I just switch to taking the Paxil at night? My mom and grandmother both take it and they both tell me that they really like it, so hopefully, it will work for me too. I just need to be able to sleep! Thanks in advance! Carol :)

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Hi Carol, if you can’t sleep while taking it in the daytime, DON’T take it at bedtime, it will keep you up all night. I find the earlier I take it, the better I’ll sleep. It is compatible with a lot of sleep medications. I’ve taken it with xanax, benadryl, and klonopin before at bedtime. (though not all together). If you don’t have xanax, you might try some benadryl OTC. I’ve also taken it with xanax and benadryl at the begininning, when I really couldn’t sleep starting on it. Now, I only take the klonopin. Once it kicks in, you should sleep great, with wonderful dreams on top of it. Plus, you should be on a small dose of it right now (5mg), anything higher to start out with would probably make it harder to fall asleep. Bye, Maria

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Although Paxil is the most sedating of the SSRI’s it may cause insomnia in the beginning which may be a good reason not to take it at night. As you might be helped by Xanax while weaning on Paxil you might want to take .5 mgs of Xanax every night. Even better is the temporary use of a more *specialized* sleeping aid like *Ambien*. Philip

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As Philip said, Xanax can help with your sleep problems and also with any anxiety or panic breakthroughs. I’ve been on Paxil since last January (up to 30 mg now) and continue to take .25 mg of Xanax every morning and .5 mg every night. Like you, I take my Paxil with breakfast in the morning. I do not have insomnia problems at all. (and before the Paxil, I was having terrible insomnia all night, related to depression) Yes, a combination of meds can really help make this work for you! Good luck, Anne —

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