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Hoppy Purrday, Thea!

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hoppy Purrday to grey cat Thea in Sweden, the Mad Head-Butter (I’ve had the pleasure of meeting Thea, and she would not stop head-butting my face). Hope you had some sunny spots to sleep in (it was a very grey day here in Helsinki), nice treats and that Bono was nice to you. — Very hoppy purRdaY to Thea.   A fellow Saggitarian!  Saggies are the best.. Tweed

Happy Purrday from Spicey and I. What do Swedish cats eat on their Purrday? Suz  Macmoosette =^..^=   =^..^=   =^..^=   =^..^=  =^..^=  =^..^=      "People that hate cats will come back as mice in their next life."      –Faith Resnick |__/| (=’:'=) (")_(")

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Lots of purrs and best wishes for your eye, Lena, — Polonca & Soncek

head-butts right at’ya, from the grey one she’s on my shoulders helping me write which is good since my vision is not that grea, well the cataract is gone since surgery on Thursday but the new lense is not all stable yet, specially not with puters

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| Happy Purrday, dear Thea and many shrimpies for your birthday! | Christine Thea says thanks and purrs! — lewe  lewemi at yahoo dot se  |  cat pics: photos.yahoo.com/lewemi

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thursday but the new | lense is not all stable yet, specially not with puters | | I am so with you on this, Lena.  Many purrs that it will be a success for | you in the end. | | Tweed | Mine isn’t so great but I have retinal problems too.  Hope yours will soon | settle. It can take a few weeks, so relax just now, too early to tell yet. | Keep putting the drops in. thanks I’m sure it will be good, I’m realising things already literally look brighter and I can see to that side without having to turn all around to see properly – I never really thought about those things, my "complain" was that I had a problem reading. I will still have a little extra vision flaw on that eye I suppose, since I’ve had problems with the macula too, that fortunatley reversed but it did lieave a little "scarring"

My experience has been, that although the surgeons try their best to put it all right, it doesn’t quite. I’m good with the drops, used to those – they are actually the cause of the cataracts … I have this chronical inflammation of the iris since 20 years, and for that I need to take cortison drops which eventually give you cataracts and you get the same drops after the surgery to keep inflammation back … =o) my old, reliable inflammation of course went crazy within a fewx hours after the op so I have had to keep drip, dropping a lot …

My retinal surgery caused my cataract!  I’m far too young to have one normally. hope your problems stay under control, retinal stuff seem like not good things to have to deal with …

Purrs and prayers for improvement in *your* sight too. It’s absolutely the pits to have trouble when you are working age.  Not to say it isn’t bad enough when you’re older, but at least you have the pension to live on. Tweed

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she’s on my shoulders helping me write which is good since my vision is not that grea, well the cataract is gone since surgery on Thursday but the new lense is not all stable yet, specially not with puters

I am so with you on this, Lena.  Many purrs that it will be a success for you in the end. Tweed Mine isn’t so great but I have retinal problems too.  Hope yours will soon settle. It can take a few weeks, so relax just now, too early to tell yet. Keep putting the drops in.

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Happy Purrday, dear Thea and many shrimpies for your birthday! Christine

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hoppy Purrday to grey cat Thea in Sweden, the Mad Head-Butter (I’ve had the pleasure of meeting Thea, and she would not stop head-butting my face). Hope you had some sunny spots to sleep in (it was a very grey day here in Helsinki), nice treats and that Bono was nice to you. — Marina, Frank and Nikki marina (dot) kurten (at) pp (dot) inet (dot) fi Pics at http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/frankiennikki/ and http://community.webshots.com/user/frankiennikki

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head-butts right at’ya, from the grey one she’s on my shoulders helping me write which is good since my vision is not that grea, well the cataract is gone since surgery on Thursday but the new lense is not all stable yet, specially not with puters

We are purring hard for your eye here. — Marina, Frank and Nikki marina (dot) kurten (at) pp (dot) inet (dot) fi Pics at http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/frankiennikki/ and http://community.webshots.com/user/frankiennikki

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Hoppy Purrday to grey cat Thea in Sweden, the Mad Head-Butter (I’ve had the pleasure of meeting Thea, and she would not stop head-butting my face). Hope you had some sunny spots to sleep in (it was a very grey day here in Helsinki), nice treats and that Bono was nice to you.

Happy birthday, Thea!  I hope you have a marvelous day. —— Krista

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Thursday but the new | lense is not all stable yet, specially not with puters | | I am so with you on this, Lena.  Many purrs that it will be a success for | you in the end. | | Tweed | Mine isn’t so great but I have retinal problems too.  Hope yours will soon | settle. It can take a few weeks, so relax just now, too early to tell yet. | Keep putting the drops in. thanks I’m sure it will be good, I’m realising things already literally look brighter and I can see to that side without having to turn all around to see properly – I never really thought about those things, my "complain" was that I had a problem reading. I will still have a little extra vision flaw on that eye I suppose, since I’ve had problems with the macula too, that fortunatley reversed but it did lieave a little "scarring" I’m good with the drops, used to those – they are actually the cause of the cataracts … I have this chronical inflammation of the iris since 20 years, and for that I need to take cortison drops which eventually give you cataracts and you get the same drops after the surgery to keep inflammation back … =o) my old, reliable inflammation of course went crazy within a fewx hours after the op so I have had to keep drip, dropping a lot … hope your problems stay under control, retinal stuff seem like not good things to have to deal with … — lewe  lewemi at yahoo dot se  |  cat pics: photos.yahoo.com/lewemi

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| |   Hoppy Purrday to grey cat Thea in Sweden, the Mad Head-Butter (I’ve had |   the pleasure of meeting Thea, and she would not stop head-butting my |   face). | | Happy Birthday, Thea. Now, who is Thea? :) | | Joyce well, she’s the grey one, with tufts on her ears, known to some as the Mad Head-butter, she is 7 today, she’s 3 months older than the red one, that’s what makes her so much smarter she says She has to put up with a very lazy secretary these days who are working too much and not getting ther priorities right  - rpca must really of coruse coomebefor anything else … But we do manage to keep skimming the group and we are always contributing to The Purr, wven when we won’t mange to post Thanks and purrs — lewe  lewemi at yahoo dot se  |  cat pics: photos.yahoo.com/lewemi

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| Happy birthday to our Swedish kitty, Thea. | May you live long and prosper. | Jazz & his mama I think tha’s how many years Thea intend to stay on, she’s only 7 today thogu think she wants to seand you some headbutts for Jzz and yourself too, she went up on my whoulders again and is headbutting fraantically from there thanks and purrs — lewe  lewemi at yahoo dot se  |  cat pics: photos.yahoo.com/lewemi

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| Happy purr-day, Thea dear! | Elisabet and Hugo Katt | well thank yuou neighbours! purrs and headbutts — lewe  lewemi at yahoo dot se  |  cat pics: photos.yahoo.com/lewemi

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| Very hoppy purRdaY to Thea.   A fellow Saggitarian!  Saggies are the best.. | | Tweed thanks and right back at’ya then – secretary is not really fullfilling her duties lately so we are likely to have missed or be about to miss Important Days and stuff. thanks purrs — lewe  lewemi at yahoo dot se  |  cat pics: photos.yahoo.com/lewemi

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Hoppy Purrday to grey cat Thea in Sweden, the Mad Head-Butter (I’ve had the pleasure of meeting Thea, and she would not stop head-butting my face). Hope you had some sunny spots to sleep in (it was a very grey day here in Helsinki), nice treats and that Bono was nice to you.

Happy purr-day, Thea dear! Elisabet and Hugo Katt

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Hoppy Purrday to grey cat Thea in Sweden, the Mad Head-Butter (I’ve had the pleasure of meeting Thea, and she would not stop head-butting my face). Hope you had some sunny spots to sleep in (it was a very grey day here in Helsinki), nice treats and that Bono was nice to you. —

Very hoppy purRdaY to Thea.   A fellow Saggitarian!  Saggies are the best.. Tweed

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  Hoppy Purrday to grey cat Thea in Sweden, the Mad Head-Butter (I’ve had   the pleasure of meeting Thea, and she would not stop head-butting my   face). Happy Birthday, Thea. Now, who is Thea? :) Joyce

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| Hoppy Purrday to grey cat Thea in Sweden, the Mad Head-Butter (I’ve had | the pleasure of meeting Thea, and she would not stop head-butting my | face). Hope you had some sunny spots to sleep in (it was a very grey day | here in Helsinki), nice treats and that Bono was nice to you. | head-butts right at’ya, from the grey one she’s on my shoulders helping me write which is good since my vision is not that grea, well the cataract is gone since surgery on Thursday but the new lense is not all stable yet, specially not with puters but we have to thank you for birthday greetings anyway, apologixe for typos not sunnyhere today but raadiators are a good substitute, Thea hang out in one of those hanging thigies you put before the radiatior – Bono has still not clued in to tthose … On the ohter hand he enhoyed the treats more than Thea, she’s not much for them, sure she likes to tastte them, get a few nibbles but not more purrs from both thanks Lena — lewe  lewemi at yahoo dot se  |  cat pics: photos.yahoo.com/lewemi

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Happy birthday to our Swedish kitty, Thea. May you live long and prosper. Jazz & his mama — Irulan from the stars we come to the stars we return from now until the end of time

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hoppy Purrday to grey cat Thea in Sweden, the Mad Head-Butter (I’ve had the pleasure of meeting Thea, and she would not stop head-butting my face). Hope you had some sunny spots to sleep in (it was a very grey day here in Helsinki), nice treats and that Bono was nice to you. — Marina, Frank and Nikki marina (dot) kurten (at) pp (dot) inet (dot) fi Pics at http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/frankiennikki/ and http://community.webshots.com/user/frankiennikki

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Hoppy Purrday to grey cat Thea in Sweden, the Mad Head-Butter (I’ve had the pleasure of meeting Thea, and she would not stop head-butting my face). Hope you had some sunny spots to sleep in (it was a very grey day here in Helsinki), nice treats and that Bono was nice to you. — Marina, Frank and Nikki marina (dot) kurten (at) pp (dot) inet (dot) fi Pics at http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/frankiennikki/ and http://community.webshots.com/user/frankiennikki

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Imagination Game

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Imagine Every cell in your body is a petrol engine. In order to do any work, an engine needs two things: a) fuel (aka blood glucose) b) ignition (aka insulin) Things can go wrong with an engine. A break in the ignition line (aka Insulin Resistance)   When this happens, the fuel is not burned properly, so the cylinders get carbed up (result cardiac or retinal problems) A break in the fuel line (aka Insulin Deficiency or ultra-low carbing)   When this happens the cylinders get no fuel  (result hypoglycemia or skin ulcers) Like I said, this is only an imagination game, so it`s not complete, or even accurate. One more bit, imagine your body to be a car. In a car you have a tachometer, with usually two lines or markings, one for revving too low, one for too high. Do you drive in 2nd gear at 50 mph, or top gear at15 mph? Car engine won`t last long, will it? Do you test before a meal (revving too low/high)? Do you test after a meal (revving too high/low)? If you don`t, why are you ignoring the tachometer? Do you take in your car for a regular test (aka HbA1c) If you don`t, your  car will fail the MOT test (aka as premature death) Have fun with this idea, kick it about, or kick it in the bin if you want. — Al, Melton Mowbray, uk, LADA dx Jan97 Control basal/Beef lente bolus/Novorapid I do not experiment, I AM the experiment.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Imagine Every cell in your body is a petrol engine. In order to do any work, an engine needs two things: a) fuel (aka blood glucose) b) ignition (aka insulin) Things can go wrong with an engine. A break in the ignition line (aka Insulin Resistance)   When this happens, the fuel is not burned properly, so the cylinders get carbed up (result cardiac or retinal problems) A break in the fuel line (aka Insulin Deficiency or ultra-low carbing)   When this happens the cylinders get no fuel  (result hypoglycemia or skin ulcers) Like I said, this is only an imagination game, so it`s not complete, or even accurate. One more bit, imagine your body to be a car. In a car you have a tachometer, with usually two lines or markings, one for revving too low, one for too high. Do you drive in 2nd gear at 50 mph, or top gear at15 mph? Car engine won`t last long, will it? Do you test before a meal (revving too low/high)? Do you test after a meal (revving too high/low)? If you don`t, why are you ignoring the tachometer? Do you take in your car for a regular test (aka HbA1c) If you don`t, your  car will fail the MOT test (aka as premature death) Have fun with this idea, kick it about, or kick it in the bin if you want. You forgot to mention the other thing an engine needs, an exhaust. Ahh but then that’s what Metfartmin’s for, init! — Philip Martin.

No-o-o, Philip, that`s called arsehole (aka anus) lol

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Imagine Every cell in your body is a petrol engine. In order to do any work, an engine needs two things: a) fuel (aka blood glucose) b) ignition (aka insulin) Things can go wrong with an engine. A break in the ignition line (aka Insulin Resistance)   When this happens, the fuel is not burned properly, so the cylinders get carbed up (result cardiac or retinal problems) A break in the fuel line (aka Insulin Deficiency or ultra-low carbing)   When this happens the cylinders get no fuel  (result hypoglycemia or skin ulcers) Like I said, this is only an imagination game, so it`s not complete, or even accurate. One more bit, imagine your body to be a car. In a car you have a tachometer, with usually two lines or markings, one for revving too low, one for too high. Do you drive in 2nd gear at 50 mph, or top gear at15 mph? Car engine won`t last long, will it? Do you test before a meal (revving too low/high)? Do you test after a meal (revving too high/low)? If you don`t, why are you ignoring the tachometer? Do you take in your car for a regular test (aka HbA1c) If you don`t, your  car will fail the MOT test (aka as premature death) Have fun with this idea, kick it about, or kick it in the bin if you want.

You forgot to mention the other thing an engine needs, an exhaust. Ahh but then that’s what Metfartmin’s for, init! — Philip Martin. Happily Insulin Jetting. — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Imagine Every cell in your body is a petrol engine. In order to do any work, an engine needs two things: a) fuel (aka blood glucose) b) ignition (aka insulin) Things can go wrong with an engine. A break in the ignition line (aka Insulin Resistance)   When this happens, the fuel is not burned properly, so the cylinders get carbed up (result cardiac or retinal problems) A break in the fuel line (aka Insulin Deficiency or ultra-low carbing)   When this happens the cylinders get no fuel  (result hypoglycemia or skin ulcers) Like I said, this is only an imagination game, so it`s not complete, or even accurate. One more bit, imagine your body to be a car. In a car you have a tachometer, with usually two lines or markings, one for revving too low, one for too high. Do you drive in 2nd gear at 50 mph, or top gear at15 mph? Car engine won`t last long, will it? Do you test before a meal (revving too low/high)? Do you test after a meal (revving too high/low)? If you don`t, why are you ignoring the tachometer? Do you take in your car for a regular test (aka HbA1c) If you don`t, your  car will fail the MOT test (aka as premature death) Have fun with this idea, kick it about, or kick it in the bin if you want.

I think the analogy to a car is good, however, hypo can be caused in other ways to fuel shortage, lets say if the source of ignition is too fast, or too big, the body quickly runs out of fuel. I have a problem with revs too, I have one car that will do 90MPH in second, but then it is a special engine that was built for racing, I don’t expect it to last very long though, maybe 100000 miles, it already has done 60000. (Red line is 9000RPM). Revs to be used depend on design, we are limited in design to a very limited rev range, like a diesel, they will go forever if the revs are kept correct. Other factors such as lubrication are in effect as well, it is fine controlling carbs, but it is important to balance with suitable fats and protein, like running a 2 stroke engine, it works without oil, but soon stops. We are limited too to the type of fuel, it shouldn’t be too fast (try using unleaded in an engine designed for old fashioned 4 star). Good thought though, very interesting. Regards, Sid. mwillia at mweb dot co dot za

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You forgot to mention the other thing an engine needs, an exhaust. Ahh but then that’s what Metfartmin’s for, init! — Philip Martin. No-o-o, Philip, that`s called arsehole (aka anus) lol

aka Anus?? Shouldn’t that be aka Fisjona? :-) Beav

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3 months post RP and HELLO TRI MIX!

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The doctors all tell you that the orgasm occurs in the brain, so the absence of a prostate shouldn’t make any difference.  And they remind you that half the human race manages to have orgasms without a prostate. But I think a man’s brain may be used to having a prostate, so in some cases it must unlearn that.  It seems that the intensity of orgasm after RP is somewhat variable.  Some men even report that their orgasms are more intense.

Just for the record, I have no problem orgasming.  Just erections.  Some orgasms seem like they’re coming straight from the prostate bed with a seering burning sensation.

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Steve, I was worked up for Trimix last year…..It was not for prostate issues….more performance anxiety.   I don’t use it all the time. This my uro’s handout that his PA gave me when I was worked up. http://www.infertility-male.com/erectdys/injxn1.htm Just my experiences…. OR eon

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| | The doctors all tell you that the orgasm occurs in the brain, so the | absence of a prostate shouldn’t make any difference.  And they remind | you that half the human race manages to have orgasms without a prostate. | But I think a man’s brain may be used to having a prostate, so in some | cases it must unlearn that.  It seems that the intensity of orgasm after | RP is somewhat variable.  Some men even report that their orgasms are | more intense. | |Just for the record, I have no problem orgasming.  Just erections.  Some |orgasms seem like they’re coming straight from the prostate bed with a |seering burning sensation. | | | I am only about 5.5 weeks RPP – and I agree with Steve.  No erections, though on Viagra twice a week.  But still can orgasm – pain is pretty intense, but so is orgasm.   I don’t expect an erection for some time, but the intimacy is still there.  I know that I want one – trust me, but I do have to say that the intimacy that was there before is that much more deep.  Sexual feeling the same?  No.  But the other stuff is pretty good.  Plus, we are having fun trying – a new challenge, AND it can be either a team sport or an individual one:) Steve

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Cardiopathic patients, diabetics and patients with retinal disorders or who were unmotivated were excluded from the study.

Well, I’m motivated but I also have a retinal disorder and am probably diabetic. Why am I to be excluded. And isn’t arginine just one of the essential amino acids? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Lee, That Link I posted is too long…so I’ve copied the abstract… [Erectile dysfunction after non-nerve sparing radical pelvic surgery. Therapeutical experience with sildenafil and L-arginine evaluated by Buckling test] [Article in Italian] Mantovani F, Patelli E, Colombo F, Pozzoni F, Confalonieri S, Pisani E. Istituto di Urologia, IRCCS Ospedale Maggiore, Milan, Italy. BACKGROUND: Patients undergoing radical pelvic floor surgery are often find that sexual function is impaired. In this research hypothesis, we evaluated the efficacy of alternative therapy to conventional PGE 1 injections, such as the association of Sildenafil and L-Arginine. This association is based on the principle that L-Arginine, the precursor of nitric oxide, improves the effect of Sildenafil, which is effective in the presence of nitric oxide. METHODS: The experimental plan was to make a comparative study between 2 random groups of patients selected from those undergoing radical cystectomies and prostatectomies over the past three years. 116 patients were eligible (64 prostatectomies and 52 cystectomies). The first random group was treated with Sildenafil alone and the second with Sildenafil and L-Arginine. The efficacy of treatment was evaluated using the Buckling test (pressure threshold of cavernous flexation at penile axial rigidity) once after ambulatorial administration and then by telephone interview (subjective evaluation) after administration at domicile. RESULTS: The starter dose was 50 mg and was inefficient in both groups (Buckling test between 0 and 250). 100-mg doses gave significant results (Buckling test 500) in both groups, especially the second. Cardiopathic patients, diabetics and patients with retinal disorders or who were unmotivated were excluded from the study. The mean age of patients was 65. CONCLUSIONS: The resumption of relatively satisfactory sexual activity was demonstrated using non-invasive pharmacological treatment. Publication Types:   a.. Clinical Trial   b.. Randomized Controlled Trial PMID: 11535972 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

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[Article in Italian] (snip) Cardiopathic patients, diabetics and patients with retinal disorders or who were unmotivated were excluded from the study.

John asks: Well, I’m motivated but I also have a retinal disorder and am probably diabetic. Why am I to be excluded.

I have a gut feeling that when this article was translated the intended condition was "renal impairment" or "renal disorder" and a spelling checker corrected a typo to "retinal" and the proofreader missed it.  Viagra is only prescribed at reduced doses to people with renal impairment, if at all. IB

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Cardiopathic patients, diabetics and patients with retinal disorders or who were unmotivated were excluded from the study. Well, I’m motivated but I also have a retinal disorder and am probably diabetic. Why am I to be excluded. And isn’t arginine just one of the essential amino acids?

I believe it’s not the arginine that is at issue;  it is the Sildenafil, which is the active ingriedient in Viagra.   It temporarily affects the retina, which is what produces the "blue tinge" that some users of Viagra see.  There is no evidence that this is harmful to the retina.  I asked my opthamologist and she said they just can’t be sure because it hasn’t been used long enough.  But she said she thought it was safe, and she would have no problem with a male relative of hers using it.  My urologist suggested it might even be helpful to the retina by encouraging blood circulation, at least for a normal retina.  I think they are being cautious in not recommending its use for for people with retinal problems. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Lee, That Link I posted is too long…so I’ve copied the abstract… [Erectile dysfunction after non-nerve sparing radical pelvic surgery. Therapeutical experience with sildenafil and L-arginine evaluated by Buckling test] [Article in Italian] Mantovani F, Patelli E, Colombo F, Pozzoni F, Confalonieri S, Pisani E. Istituto di Urologia, IRCCS Ospedale Maggiore, Milan, Italy. BACKGROUND: Patients undergoing radical pelvic floor surgery are often find that sexual function is impaired. In this research hypothesis, we evaluated the efficacy of alternative therapy to conventional PGE 1 injections, such as the association of Sildenafil and L-Arginine. This association is based on the principle that L-Arginine, the precursor of nitric oxide, improves the effect of Sildenafil, which is effective in the presence of nitric oxide. METHODS: The experimental plan was to make a comparative study between 2 random groups of patients selected from those undergoing radical cystectomies and prostatectomies over the past three years. 116 patients were eligible (64 prostatectomies and 52 cystectomies). The first random group was treated with Sildenafil alone and the second with Sildenafil and L-Arginine. The efficacy of treatment was evaluated using the Buckling test (pressure threshold of cavernous flexation at penile axial rigidity) once after ambulatorial administration and then by telephone interview (subjective evaluation) after administration at domicile. RESULTS: The starter dose was 50 mg and was inefficient in both groups (Buckling test between 0 and 250). 100-mg doses gave significant results (Buckling test 500) in both groups, especially the second. Cardiopathic patients, diabetics and patients with retinal disorders or who were unmotivated were excluded from the study. The mean age of patients was 65. CONCLUSIONS: The resumption of relatively satisfactory sexual activity was demonstrated using non-invasive pharmacological treatment. Publication Types:  a.. Clinical Trial  b.. Randomized Controlled Trial PMID: 11535972 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

– Dept. of Mathematics, Northwestern Univ., Evanston, IL 60208

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What is Triple Mix.?

Injection therapy. Rather than taking Viagra, you can inject for erection. Jerry of ASI

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I wish I could have such success.  Viagra gave me a headache.  It took 100mg to get me hard with Cavlecheck and even that didn’t last long enough to complete intercourse.  Working with a pump now.  Been practicing for a week. Damn thing seems to have lost an inch or two, but I think it will be sufficient.  Still disappointing. — Steve Kramer PSA 16, G7, T2c PSA  .1  .1  .1  .27  .37  .75 PSA  .34  .22

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Radical prostatectomy done in August, hubby age 49 , one nerve spared, the other grafted. Here’s a summary of erectile happenings! He started having erections while the catheter was in, about 10 days after the op, and although it was horrribly painful, we thought it was a really good indication of how things would progress. Of course nothing is that simple. Within the first month, Viagra worked well enough to have intercourse, and then it started to slide down to where it seemed to have no effect at all. He was still getting nocturnal erections and he’d wake up hard, so we figured it was anxiety. And although we hadn’t forgotten that the doc had told us it would take 6 months for the other nerve to even start thinking about growing back, we knew something was ok because of the previous erections. So we decided to try Triple Mix again (hubby used it 6 years ago for unrelated problem – anxiety-based).    Anyway we recalled that 6 years ago, the doseage he needed was in the area of 0.13 cc – 0.15 cc. So what the hell,,,, no prostate, only one nerve…we decided to start with .20 cc. OHHHHH MYYYY!  …. Lots of fun for both of us, over and over again, But after 4 hours, there was no change in the erection. It was as hard as hard can be… and accompanied by a nasty ache.  He got lots of excercise that night – squats, running up and down the stairs with 25 lb dumbells, and took about 3 Sudafeds. 7 hours later (yes, this is dangerous and we should have gone to emergency to get the thing aspirated) it finally went down. The next time we tried 0.15. This gave him a 5 hour erection, lots of aching and discomfort again. Well, to cut a long story short, We’re still experimenting. The last dosage we used was 0.08 and the quality of the erction was much more natural – softer and not like steel, nice and firm. But it still lasted 4 bloody hours! We’ll try 0.05 the next time. Oh, and all of a sudden the Viagra seems to be working again :)  Maybe we’ll try a combination of the two, So everything is looking up… literally.  Ummm except when I went out and bought half inch needles…. ouch.  We’ll stick to the short ones, 5/16 inch, 30 guage. One more note – especially for the Pca group – his orgasms without ejaculate are about 50% of what they used to be.  Not sure if the ejaculate caused deeper contactions or whether the prostate did any contracting of its own. Anyone know? And is this what everyone feels their orgasms are? Lee

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What is Triple Mix.? I had surgery (nerve sparing) 2 years ago (I’m 65 and otherwise in good health). All post op follow ups a re excellent; bladder control ius escellent. BUT, I was using Viagra successfully; lately tho it has not been as good. Erection just doesn’t last. Maybe it’s anxiety because now we think about it and sex isn’t as spontaneouos as it used to be. I may

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Radical prostatectomy done in August, hubby age 49 , one nerve spared, the other grafted. Here’s a summary of erectile happenings! He started having erections while the catheter was in, about 10 days after the op, and although it was horrribly painful, we thought it was a really good indication of how things would progress. Of course nothing is that simple. Within the first month, Viagra worked well enough to have intercourse, and then it started to slide down to where it seemed to have no effect at all. He was still getting nocturnal erections and he’d wake up hard, so we figured it was anxiety. And although we hadn’t forgotten that the doc had told us it would take 6 months for the other nerve to even start thinking about growing back, we knew something was ok because of the previous erections. So we decided to try Triple Mix again (hubby used it 6 years ago for unrelated problem – anxiety-based).    Anyway we recalled that 6 years ago, the doseage he needed was in the area of 0.13 cc – 0.15 cc. So what the hell,,,, no prostate, only one nerve…we decided to start with .20 cc. OHHHHH MYYYY!  …. Lots of fun for both of us, over and over again, But after 4 hours, there was no change in the erection. It was as hard as hard can be… and accompanied by a nasty ache.  He got lots of excercise that night – squats, running up and down the stairs with 25 lb dumbells, and took about 3 Sudafeds. 7 hours later (yes, this is dangerous and we should have gone to emergency to get the thing aspirated) it finally went down. The next time we tried 0.15. This gave him a 5 hour erection, lots of aching and discomfort again. Well, to cut a long story short, We’re still experimenting. The last dosage we used was 0.08 and the quality of the erction was much more natural – softer and not like steel, nice and firm. But it still lasted 4 bloody hours! We’ll try 0.05 the next time. Oh, and all of a sudden the Viagra seems to be working again :)  Maybe we’ll try a combination of the two, So everything is looking up… literally.  Ummm except when I went out and bought half inch needles…. ouch.  We’ll stick to the short ones, 5/16 inch, 30 guage. One more note – especially for the Pca group – his orgasms without ejaculate are about 50% of what they used to be.  Not sure if the ejaculate caused deeper contactions or whether the prostate did any contracting of its own. Anyone know? And is this what everyone feels their orgasms are? Lee

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Leonard, I don’t know about 100 mg Viagra in men with non-nerve sparring proastatectomies. L-Arginine (LA) is an amino acid.  Amino acids occur in D- and L- forms, if I recall correctly, only L-forms are active in man.  LA is precursor for nitric oxide, the very, very. short lived gas that causes erections. Here are several links giving more information on LA… http://www.smartbodyz.com/ArginineText.htm http://www.life-enhancement.com/displayart.asp?ID=556 I first learned about LA on this newsgroup late, 1999. I buy in bulk from  http://kilosports.com/  I’m finish up my 4th kilo since Dec ‘99. I also recommend highly this scholarly book The Arginine Solution Robert Fried, Ph.D. and Woodson C. Merrell, M.D. This OTC product  http://www.arginmax1.com/ contains LA.  I’ve used it and I think it’s effective for me.  It’s a little pricey from GNC.  In addition to LA, other libidinal/erectile enhancing components are Ginko Biloba (enhances micro circulation) and  Korean and American ginseng.  I’ve begun doing independent, daily supplementation with latter three herbs; generally I consume ~10 – 15 gms/dy LA. I pump my dick daily for health and sport.  Take ~5 gm LA at bed time and have good nocturnal erections (NEs). IMO my NEs are my most important erections….sure sexual erections are pleasurable but to some degree depend on healthy NEs.  NEs are competently involuntary and function under their own program..all we know is that generally men have up to 5-7 NEs/night lasting ~30 min and they occur during rapid eye movement (REM) phase sleep….when we are dreaming. Our piss hard on (PHs) occur because.. From this site http://www.sleepmedservices.com/101questions/sex.html "The correct explanation  for morning erections involves the way nighttime sleep is organized. We have most of our REM sleep in the early morning, usually between 4 – 7 AM. Therefore, each morning we are very likely to awaken directly from REM sleep or, at the very least, soon after a long REM period has ended. Thus, men are very likely to awaken in the morning with a REM sleep-related erection." Northwestern Univ…huh….I was on faculties of Rush and Univ Illinois Med Schl. OR eon 64.5 yo HIV+ GayMan

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Lee, That Link I posted is too long…so I’ve copied the abstract… [Erectile dysfunction after non-nerve sparing radical pelvic surgery. Therapeutical experience with sildenafil and L-arginine evaluated by Buckling test] [Article in Italian] Mantovani F, Patelli E, Colombo F, Pozzoni F, Confalonieri S, Pisani E. Istituto di Urologia, IRCCS Ospedale Maggiore, Milan, Italy. BACKGROUND: Patients undergoing radical pelvic floor surgery are often find that sexual function is impaired. In this research hypothesis, we evaluated the efficacy of alternative therapy to conventional PGE 1 injections, such as the association of Sildenafil and L-Arginine. This association is based on the principle that L-Arginine, the precursor of nitric oxide, improves the effect of Sildenafil, which is effective in the presence of nitric oxide. METHODS: The experimental plan was to make a comparative study between 2 random groups of patients selected from those undergoing radical cystectomies and prostatectomies over the past three years. 116 patients were eligible (64 prostatectomies and 52 cystectomies). The first random group was treated with Sildenafil alone and the second with Sildenafil and L-Arginine. The efficacy of treatment was evaluated using the Buckling test (pressure threshold of cavernous flexation at penile axial rigidity) once after ambulatorial administration and then by telephone interview (subjective evaluation) after administration at domicile. RESULTS: The starter dose was 50 mg and was inefficient in both groups (Buckling test between 0 and 250). 100-mg doses gave significant results (Buckling test 500) in both groups, especially the second. Cardiopathic patients, diabetics and patients with retinal disorders or who were unmotivated were excluded from the study. The mean age of patients was 65. CONCLUSIONS: The resumption of relatively satisfactory sexual activity was demonstrated using non-invasive pharmacological treatment. Publication Types:   a.. Clinical Trial   b.. Randomized Controlled Trial PMID: 11535972 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Does this say what I think it says, that 100 mg doses of Viagra are effective in men with non-nervesparing surgery?  I thought that wasn’t the case. And just what is L-arginine? — Dept. of Mathematics, Northwestern Univ., Evanston, IL 60208

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One more note – especially for the Pca group – his orgasms without ejaculate are about 50% of what they used to be.  Not sure if the ejaculate caused deeper contactions or whether the prostate did any contracting of its own. Anyone know? And is this what everyone feels their orgasms are?

The doctors all tell you that the orgasm occurs in the brain, so the absence of a prostate shouldn’t make any difference.  And they remind you that half the human race manages to have orgasms without a prostate. But I think a man’s brain may be used to having a prostate, so in some cases it must unlearn that.  It seems that the intensity of orgasm after RP is somewhat variable.  Some men even report that their orgasms are more intense. Lee

– Dept. of Mathematics, Northwestern Univ., Evanston, IL 60208

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First, congratulations on the successful recovery! Lee writes: So we decided to try Triple Mix again (hubby used it 6 years ago for unrelated problem – anxiety-based).    Anyway we recalled that 6 years ago, the doseage he needed was in the area of 0.13 cc – 0.15 cc. So what the hell,,,, no prostate, only one nerve…we decided to start with .20 cc.  

Trimix is a mix and the strength can be varied. My guess is that your doctor also assumed that you would need a greater dose and prescribed a stronger mix this time. We’ll try 0.05 the next time. Oh, and all of a sudden the Viagra seems to be working again :)  Maybe we’ll try a combination of the two.

A bit of a warning here:  Lee, each person reacts differently to these medicines.   For me it takes a lot of trimix or a lot of Viagra to work.   However, if I take them both together, both the hardness and lasting time is much more than double what each would be alone.  Tread with caution here! Ignatz’s Bricks.

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Lee, Here’s an interesting abstract that might be of interest to you…. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&… ds=11535972&dopt=Abstract Concerning your husband’s orgasms….have you posted your question to Alt. Support Cancer Prostate….a newsgroup you subscribe to just as you subscribed to this newsgroup. IMO, a very help group of men and their companions…I was subscribed and reading before my first TRUS. Good luck, Keep us posted as goes it how… OR eon

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Lee, That Link I posted is too long…so I’ve copied the abstract… [Erectile dysfunction after non-nerve sparing radical pelvic surgery. Therapeutical experience with sildenafil and L-arginine evaluated by Buckling test] [Article in Italian] Mantovani F, Patelli E, Colombo F, Pozzoni F, Confalonieri S, Pisani E. Istituto di Urologia, IRCCS Ospedale Maggiore, Milan, Italy. BACKGROUND: Patients undergoing radical pelvic floor surgery are often find that sexual function is impaired. In this research hypothesis, we evaluated the efficacy of alternative therapy to conventional PGE 1 injections, such as the association of Sildenafil and L-Arginine. This association is based on the principle that L-Arginine, the precursor of nitric oxide, improves the effect of Sildenafil, which is effective in the presence of nitric oxide. METHODS: The experimental plan was to make a comparative study between 2 random groups of patients selected from those undergoing radical cystectomies and prostatectomies over the past three years. 116 patients were eligible (64 prostatectomies and 52 cystectomies). The first random group was treated with Sildenafil alone and the second with Sildenafil and L-Arginine. The efficacy of treatment was evaluated using the Buckling test (pressure threshold of cavernous flexation at penile axial rigidity) once after ambulatorial administration and then by telephone interview (subjective evaluation) after administration at domicile. RESULTS: The starter dose was 50 mg and was inefficient in both groups (Buckling test between 0 and 250). 100-mg doses gave significant results (Buckling test 500) in both groups, especially the second. Cardiopathic patients,

diabetics and patients with retinal disorders or who were unmotivated were excluded from the study. The mean age of patients was 65. CONCLUSIONS: The resumption of relatively satisfactory sexual activity was demonstrated using non-invasive pharmacological treatment. Publication Types:   a.. Clinical Trial   b.. Randomized Controlled Trial PMID: 11535972 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

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Thanks for this post, Lee.  You give me hope.  I’m 51….. both nerves spared….. and hoping that erectile function will return, either with or without aid.  I ordered a pump today…… so that I can begin to work on the erections and just get the blood flowing again when the cath comes out and things heal a bit more.  It has been almost three weeks for me….. but still have the cath until next Monday.  God, I do hope it will be able to *stay* out this time.  :) I’d really be interested in the answer to your last question in this post…. concerning the strength of ejaculations.  Perhaps this, too, is something that improves over time???  Anyone?? Thanks again for being so open and sharing….. it means a great deal to hear of others’ successes!! Mike :)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Radical prostatectomy done in August, hubby age 49 , one nerve spared, the other grafted. Here’s a summary of erectile happenings! He started having erections while the catheter was in, about 10 days after the op, and although it was horrribly painful, we thought it was a really good indication of how things would progress. Of course nothing is that simple. Within the first month, Viagra worked well enough to have intercourse, and then it started to slide down to where it seemed to have no effect at all. He was still getting nocturnal erections and he’d wake up hard, so we figured it was anxiety. And although we hadn’t forgotten that the doc had told us it would take 6 months for the other nerve to even start thinking about growing back, we knew something was ok because of the previous erections. So we decided to try Triple Mix again (hubby used it 6 years ago for unrelated problem – anxiety-based).    Anyway we recalled that 6 years ago, the doseage he needed was in the area of 0.13 cc – 0.15 cc. So what the hell,,,, no prostate, only one nerve…we decided to start with .20 cc. OHHHHH MYYYY!  …. Lots of fun for both of us, over and over again, But after 4 hours, there was no change in the erection. It was as hard as hard can be… and accompanied by a nasty ache.  He got lots of excercise that night – squats, running up and down the stairs with 25 lb dumbells, and took about 3 Sudafeds. 7 hours later (yes, this is dangerous and we should have gone to emergency to get the thing aspirated) it finally went down. The next time we tried 0.15. This gave him a 5 hour erection, lots of aching and discomfort again. Well, to cut a long story short, We’re still experimenting. The last dosage we used was 0.08 and the quality of the erction was much more natural – softer and not like steel, nice and firm. But it still lasted 4 bloody hours! We’ll try 0.05 the next time. Oh, and all of a sudden the Viagra seems to be working again :)  Maybe we’ll try a combination of the two, So everything is looking up… literally.  Ummm except when I went out and bought half inch needles…. ouch.  We’ll stick to the short ones, 5/16 inch, 30 guage. One more note – especially for the Pca group – his orgasms without ejaculate are about 50% of what they used to be.  Not sure if the ejaculate caused deeper contactions or whether the prostate did any contracting of its own. Anyone know? And is this what everyone feels their orgasms are? Lee

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Radical prostatectomy done in August, hubby age 49 , one nerve spared, the other grafted. Here’s a summary of erectile happenings! He started having erections while the catheter was in, about 10 days after the op, and although it was horrribly painful, we thought it was a really good indication of how things would progress. Of course nothing is that simple. Within the first month, Viagra worked well enough to have intercourse, and then it started to slide down to where it seemed to have no effect at all. He was still getting nocturnal erections and he’d wake up hard, so we figured it was anxiety.   And although we hadn’t forgotten that the doc had told us it would take 6 months for the other nerve to even start thinking about growing back, we knew something was ok because of the previous erections. So we decided to try Triple Mix again (hubby used it 6 years ago for unrelated problem – anxiety-based).    Anyway we recalled that 6 years ago, the doseage he needed was in the area of 0.13 cc – 0.15 cc. So what the hell,,,, no prostate, only one nerve…we decided to start with .20 cc.   OHHHHH MYYYY!  …. Lots of fun for both of us, over and over again, But after 4 hours, there was no change in the erection. It was as hard as hard can be… and accompanied by a nasty ache.  He got lots of excercise that night – squats, running up and down the stairs with 25 lb dumbells, and took about 3 Sudafeds. 7 hours later (yes, this is dangerous and we should have gone to emergency to get the thing aspirated) it finally went down. The next time we tried 0.15. This gave him a 5 hour erection, lots of aching and discomfort again. Well, to cut a long story short, We’re still experimenting. The last dosage we used was 0.08 and the quality of the erction was much more natural – softer and not like steel, nice and firm. But it still lasted 4 bloody hours! We’ll try 0.05 the next time. Oh, and all of a sudden the Viagra seems to be working again :)  Maybe we’ll try a combination of the two, So everything is looking up… literally.  Ummm except when I went out and bought half inch needles…. ouch.  We’ll stick to the short ones, 5/16 inch, 30 guage. One more note – especially for the Pca group – his orgasms without ejaculate are about 50% of what they used to be.  Not sure if the ejaculate caused deeper contactions or whether the prostate did any contracting of its own. Anyone know? And is this what everyone feels their orgasms are? Lee

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Eye problems.

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Hello all, Well, I broke my glasses.  I scheduled an exam; I’m due for one anyway. I know there are eye problems associated with lupus and secondary Sjogrens, and I have been having problems for months.  Does anyone recall being told by an optometrist or an ophthalmologist that they might have lupus from results of an eye exam? I had a detached left retina and torn right retina in 1996.  No explanation was ever given, other than severe nearsightedness.  However, over the past few months, I have been experiencing dry, tired eyes. This will sound weird, but even when my eyes are closed, they don’t feel right.  I’m constantly blinking, even when my eyes are shut. They never feel "rested". Thanks, Wes

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Never told I had lupus from eye exam, but there is a test that the eye doc can do to confirm an auto immune disease.  It is sjogren’s or called dry eyes. When I first got sick, I was sent to a opthamologist to check for this.  So as far a diagnosis of lupus, I don’t think so, but you sure can tell the sjogren’s and also cataracts which is a side effect of use of cortisone. So an annual eye exam is a necessity. janers

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<< I know there are eye problems associated with lupus and secondary Sjogrens, and I have been having problems for months.  Does anyone recall being told by an optometrist or an ophthalmologist that they might have lupus from results of an eye exam?

They can’t, as far as I know, tell whether you have lupus from an eye exam. They can, however, tell that you may have an autoimmune disorder, possibly lupus or something related such as if they happen to discover episcleritis, scleritis or uveitis.  The latter two are potentially dangerous and can threaten eyesight, so it’s important to treat these conditions.  The first, episcleritis, isn’t serious but can become serious if it progresses to scleritis. They might also be led to suspect an autoimmune related eye problem if your eyes are very dry (esp. common with Sjogren’s syndrome).  If they’ve found anything like this with your eyes, then you need to be following up with a ophthalmologist (not optometrist) experienced with autoimmune eye diseases. You’ll often find such people associated with major research institutions.  If you have dry eyes, BTW, you’ll need a full dry eye workup to see how serious it is and whether your cornea is damaged. Sandra

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Hi Sandra, I already see two different ophthalmologists, one for general eye health, and the other specifically for retinal problems.  Neither doctor has ever told me that my eyes were dry.  They both perform thorough exams, so I guess Sjogren’s isn’t my problem, thank goodness.  How can I  possibly find an ophthalmologist who specializes in autoimmune diseases when I can’t even find a rheumy who knows what he’s doing? Wes – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -SCroyle909 wrote:

They can’t, as far as I know, tell whether you have lupus from an eye exam. They can, however, tell that you may have an autoimmune disorder, possibly lupus or something related such as if they happen to discover episcleritis, scleritis or uveitis.  The latter two are potentially dangerous and can threaten eyesight, so it’s important to treat these conditions.  The first, episcleritis, isn’t serious but can become serious if it progresses to scleritis. They might also be led to suspect an autoimmune related eye problem if your eyes are very dry (esp. common with Sjogren’s syndrome).  If they’ve found anything like this with your eyes, then you need to be following up with a ophthalmologist (not optometrist) experienced with autoimmune eye diseases. You’ll often find such people associated with major research institutions.  If you have dry eyes, BTW, you’ll need a full dry eye workup to see how serious it is and whether your cornea is damaged. Sandra

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<<I already see two different ophthalmologists, one for general eye health, and the other specifically for retinal problems.  Neither doctor has ever told me that my eyes were dry.

Then they may not be; however, I have to tell you that before we found out my son’s eyes were so dry, an ophthalmologist swore up and down they were fine. Nevertheless, I got him a referral to NIH very much against that ophthalmologist’s objects, and sure enough they were extremely dry.  You couldn’t necessarily tell just by looking at them though.  I guess it’s partly that the level of dryness can vary somewhat, and also that it’s not necessarily obvious to the naked eye.  It showed up very well though in the Schirmers testing.  Therefore, if there’s any doubt at all as to whether you have dry eyes or not, why not ask for them to do the Schirmer’s test next time you’re there?  It’s very simple and takes only five minutes.  It simply involves putting a strip of paper under the eyelid for five minuntes.  Ideally they should do this twice, once without anesthetic eye drops and once with.  The technicians generally do the test, BTW. << How can I  possibly find an ophthalmologist who specializes in autoimmune diseases when I can’t even find a rheumy who knows what he’s doing?

If you have a major university with a medical school attached and research facilities, you might try there.   Sandra

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I had this exact test done and I did have dry eyes moderately dry  I also have cararacts from pred. so it feels as if they are dry and im looking through water battles at same time. I use moisture drops as much as i need to daily and has made a huge differance. Cindy

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wrote Hi Sandra, I already see two different ophthalmologists, one for general eye health, and the other specifically for retinal problems.  Neither doctor has ever told me that my eyes were dry.  They both perform thorough exams, so I guess Sjogren’s isn’t my problem, thank goodness.  

Did they do a "Schirmer test", which is basically putting blotting paper in your eye and seeing how wet it gets?

How can I  possibly find an ophthalmologist who specializes in autoimmune diseases when I can’t even find a rheumy who knows what he’s doing?

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stress flaws in sunglasses

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I have invariably worn cheap plastic "clip-on" Polaroid’s for practically all of my fishing, as I wear spectacles in any case.  I have never suffered from eyestrain,. and according to the local eye-doctor my eyes are showing no signs of stress or damage.

Don’t use clip-ons if your glasses have plastic lenses. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Do you have any pointers, besides the marketting claims on sunglasses selling their "blue blocker" sunglasses?

Blue light evidently scatters in the eye more than other colors, thus reducing sharpness and contrast, thus creating some level of eye strain. While there appears to be some debate as to how significant the relief and benefits are, I personally was blown away at how crisp my vision was with higher-end sun glasses, and how comfortable my eyes were after a day on the water. Probably the biggest win in my case was moving from $19-$49 class sunglasses to $120-$350 class sunglasses – better glass, better fit, best UVA and UVB protection and the blue-blockers. Thomas Gilg

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Using polarized sunglasses is, of course, unethical, as is using prescription eyeglasses of any type. :-) — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Using polarized sunglasses is, of course, unethical, as is using prescription eyeglasses of any type. :-)

Perhaps true, but using the low strain types is maybe a little more sporting?  :) TL MC

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Don’t use clip-ons if your glasses have plastic lenses.

My glasses are indeed plastic, and unless one uses a special mount on the clip-ons, they are very easily damaged. I use a mount with rubber feet, and distance pieces, and the clamp is also of silicon rubber.  I have no problems. TL MC

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What I have been told by eye doctors however, repeatedly, is that tinted (and I believe polarizing) glasses do not always filter all frequencies of light to the same degree. The issue is that when you put on sun glasses, the iris in your eyes will "open up" because the amount of light reaching them is less, so the eyes open up to receive enough light to see. Unfortunately, many sun glasses do NOT moderate the amout of UV or Blue light coming through, and if you iris has opened up, you actually get an extra dose of UV and Blue light, *and this does cause eye stress and even damage*. Thus, when you buy sun glasses, make sure they also have a UV filter and ideally a "blue blocker" filter too.

Almost all sunglasses block UV light, even the cheaper ones since normal plastic and glass are pretty good UV blockers by themselves. I’ve never heard that blue light in the visible spectrum is harmful to the eye, but I’m willing to learn.  Do you have any pointers, besides the marketting claims on sunglasses selling their "blue blocker" sunglasses? Thanks,      - Ken

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For my MS, I built an integrated (not discrete) array of phototransistors. After fabrication, I measured the spectral response of the transistors and was surprised to find that there was practically no response to UV light.  Turns out that one of the final steps of IC processing is to put a thin layer of glass over the whole chip.  Even that thin layer blocked almost 100% of the UV spectrum.      - Ken

The trick is to saw the top off a discrete foto-transistor ( most "standard" types, are fitted with lenses, in the top of the housing, to improve their efficiency), which is sensitive to the wavelengths you wish to detect.  I have never tried any particularly accurate measurements like this, but it suffices to detect UV light. As you quite rightly say, even wafer thin glass, and one or two plastics, block almost all UV light.  Even from intense sources like powerful UV lamps. Which is why it strikes me as extremely odd to pay a lot of money for expensive "UV-Blockers" when ordinary glass does a perfect job in any case ! :) When making printed circuit boards, ( the "home-made" variety), the photo sensitive lacquer is exposed to UV light, in order to "develop" it, and make it sensitive to the etching bath.   If you use an ordinary glass plate for holding your "mask negative", you will have to wait a long time for the lacquer to develop. Special quartz glass is used for this, it transmits UV light as opposed to "ordinary" glass. The effect is quite amazing. The plastic film used ( usually celluloid ) also affects this. Thicker sheets will cause a considerable difference in "developing time", as the UV light simply does not penetrate sufficiently. TL MC

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For my MS, I built an integrated (not discrete) array of phototransistors. After fabrication, I measured the spectral response of the transistors and was surprised to find that there was practically no response to UV light.  Turns out that one of the final steps of IC processing is to put a thin layer of glass over the whole chip.  Even that thin layer blocked almost 100% of the UV spectrum.

Indeed, the same passivation technique – when applied to ccd arrays – makes most digital cameras quite insensitive to UV. /daytripper

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One can test for UV transmission, by using UV sensitive photo-diodes or transistors.  It is quite simple to do.  Surprisingly, the cheap coated plastic lenses are often better than some others.

The interesting part is that those photodiodes and phototransistors have to be mounted in special plastic/ceramic housing in order to not absorb the UV light before ever getting to the sensor. For my MS, I built an integrated (not discrete) array of phototransistors. After fabrication, I measured the spectral response of the transistors and was surprised to find that there was practically no response to UV light.  Turns out that one of the final steps of IC processing is to put a thin layer of glass over the whole chip.  Even that thin layer blocked almost 100% of the UV spectrum.      - Ken

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The plastic lenses had clearly evident distortion patterns – only at the corners – while mounted, while the glass lenses didn’t show even a hint of same. I’ve seen the same thing. There’s no doubt in my mind that stress in the mounting causes these polarization flaws. I watched my optometrist remove the lenses and replace them several times, and each time the pattern of flaws was different — and less severe. Eventually they were acceptable. When I was in engineering school we used to make models of bridges and buildings from plexiglass. Then we loaded them with weights and looked at the transmitted light through polarizing filters. The stress points (typically at the sharp corners) were clearly visible as concentric rings. What I see in poorly mounted plastic lenses is the same thing.

Exactly. I suspect the interference patterns are merely illuminating an intrinsic aspect of most plastic lenses…

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The plastic lenses had clearly evident distortion patterns – only at the corners – while mounted, while the glass lenses didn’t show even a hint of same.

I’ve seen the same thing. There’s no doubt in my mind that stress in the mounting causes these polarization flaws. I watched my optometrist remove the lenses and replace them several times, and each time the pattern of flaws was different — and less severe. Eventually they were acceptable. When I was in engineering school we used to make models of bridges and buildings from plexiglass. Then we loaded them with weights and looked at the transmitted light through polarizing filters. The stress points (typically at the sharp corners) were clearly visible as concentric rings. What I see in poorly mounted plastic lenses is the same thing. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Using polarized sunglasses is, of course, unethical, as is using prescription eyeglasses of any type. :-)

Harrison Bergeron. — Charlie…

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http://www.eyecare-information-service.org.uk/factsheet22.htm Cheap polarising spectacles are made by coating the "lens" in a certain fashion.  This lens starts off as a piece of flat plastic, it is formed in a warm press-mould, and then coated. These "lenses" are not really lenses at all, just bits of plastic with a coating. They scratch easily, and are otherwise not very robust, but they are cheap and effective, especially for spectacle wearers, in the form of "clip-ons". Better quality polarising lenses are invariably glass/plastic, or glass/glass, laminates, where the polarising filter is integrated in the lens, ( sandwich ). Stress points may be detected in most such lenses.  Errors on the periphery of optical lenses are quite common, and are not usually severely detrimental to the wearer of spectacles for instance.   For photographic, and various other lenses, this is more of a problem, and far more expensive lenses are used. Practically any polarising lens will also allow you to see the stress points in toughened laminated glass. ( As in some older car windshields etc ). One can test for UV transmission, by using UV sensitive photo-diodes or transistors.  It is quite simple to do.  Surprisingly, the cheap coated plastic lenses are often better than some others. The more expensive lenses are probably better for most applications of course. TL MC

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sudden decrease in intraocular pressure??

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Hi, I have had glaucoma for 25+ years that has been controlled, with pressure of 19 to 23, being held there fairly well. (It got as high as 30 before being lowered by eye drops.) I am 69 years old.  General health is good, however I am obese, with blood pressure being controlled by pharmacological means. Visual field examinations, conducted annually for 30 years, have disclosed only "normal" loss of field … what ever that means. I feel that I see very well, and my glasses are to correct "normal" age related "seeing" problems. Recently, however, I experienced a slight retinal hemorrhage which produce an annoying floater, I am in the six week period waiting for another examination to, as I understand it, see if the hemorrhage has remained stopped and that the floater is decreasing. At the time I had eye examined because of this big floater however, my eye pressure was also measured and I was found to have a pressure of 15 in both eyes! I have not EVER had a pressure that low, since I have been recording my pressures.  My ophthalmologist passed this off as an artifact of variation in my times of instilling my eye drops, (timoptic 0.5% "X" once a day, and Alphagan 0.2%, twice a day.)  The pressure check in question occurred about 1 to 1 and 1/2 hours after use of the Alphagan in the morning. I really want to know about this pressure drop, and what it may indicate for a changing condition in my eye health. I am not able find references to sudden decreases in intraocular pressure. Can you suggest any sources? Thank you for listening! dickn’

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In article <lrfm6t8ans89ba6m9uvanpttigf8mmf…@4ax.com

, dic…@usa.net writes: Recently, however, I experienced a slight retinal hemorrhage which produce an annoying floater, I am in the six week period waiting for another examination to, as I understand it, see if the hemorrhage has remained stopped and that the floater is decreasing.

Hi,   I can’t help with your question but you may want to post this to sci.med.vision. There are a few posters on that group who know about retinal problems as well as glaucoma. Best of luck, Al

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Anyone else had this ??

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In article <39CFE871.B108F…@cyberwizards.com.au

, Carmel

<car…@cyberwizards.com.au

writes: I think floaters are fairly common.  I have lots, and the docs don’t seem to think they mean anything.  But I also often think there’s someone standing beside me, when no-one is there.  Maybe I’m psychic and can see ghosts!  Or maybe it’s my guardian angel! :) Carmel

Do you have an invisible friend you talk to?  :=} Kathi

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No, just myself. :) Carmel Kathi Matthews wrote:

In article <39CFE871.B108F…@cyberwizards.com.au, Carmel <car…@cyberwizards.com.au writes: I think floaters are fairly common.  I have lots, and the docs don’t seem to think they mean anything.  But I also often think there’s someone standing beside me, when no-one is there.  Maybe I’m psychic and can see ghosts!  Or maybe it’s my guardian angel! :) Carmel Do you have an invisible friend you talk to?  :=} Kathi

— " Don’t wait for a light to appear at the end of the tunnel.   Stride down there and light the bloody thing yourself." web sites at: http://connect.to/carmel http://welcome.to/jaragun.ginger

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On 26 Sep 2000 12:07:04 GMT, kamatth…@aol.com (Kathi Matthews) wrote:

Carmel Do you have an invisible friend you talk to?  :=}

Very good, Kathi. She probably does after she drinks the elderberry wine. I mean, if the bottles explode after a certain time, it must be pretty potent stuff. :-) — Joan Kennedy

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, Jim Carter

<jmcar…@gmx.net

wrote: On Sun, 24 Sep 2000 21:08:53 +0100, "Roarke" <roa…@langleyirrv.freeserve.co.uk wrote: }Anyone else had this particular weird symptom, especially coinciding with an }exac ??? Not exactly, but I have been experiencing an oddity with my peripheral vision for the last couple of weeks:  I think I see a large insect scurrying across the floor.  When I turn to look directly at the wee beast it is not there. — Perth, Ontario, Canada http://www.superaje.com/~jcarter

No MS here, but I have the exact same thing Jim.  My eyes have been fubarred from the thyroid crap, but the dark thingies that run in and out of my periphery drive me up the wall.  I’m "sorta" used to them now, but in the beginning they scared me when I was alone. Now *that* was a big help, wasn’t it? Hugs n prayers, Pam (Taking comfort from similar symptoms even if for different reasons) This message has been brought to you by:             /          /            /    ^~~^  /             /     ( ” )              /     {      }             /        "  "                      YE OLDE BAT PamY – Spokesmom for Jennie who has MS Visit our ASMS Friends Photo Album at: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=872994&a=6352035

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Jim I think I have the same thing. It would have drove me crazy if I wasn’t close enough to walk. I believe it is due to scars on the optic nerve. I found I could see them easiest if I looked at a clear blue sky or blank spot on a light coloured wall and refrained from trying to look right at the spots.

central serous retinopathy

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does anyone know any support groups, newsgroups, etc. for those with retinal conditions like chronic central serous retinopathy? thank you

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You can visit http://www.visionworksusa.com for useful information on preserving vision for those with retinal problems. You can also ask Dr. Grossman specific questions regarding your condition.

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Rd asked:

does anyone know any support groups, newsgroups, etc. for those with retinal conditions like chronic central serous retinopathy?<

Although not specialized to the retina, try sci.med.vision. Best wishes

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Good eye exam!

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Many happy returns on this "special day"…. and many more to come — k t1 13 yrs now sending as Tiger Lily – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Today is my birthday and I am obligated to go out to dinner and have whatever it is I want.  The family is disappointed if I don’t do this. The problem is that the more I eat tonight, the worse I will feel later.  Maybe that is the sign of old age – being more concerned with the future than the present. Marilyn Type 1 for 33 years, pumping for the last 11

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Marilyn writes: Wow!  20 carbs a day?  I don’t think I could do that.  

Well…I *try* to keep it under 20, but it’s tough!!  I cannot stay in ketosis above 20 it seems.  Damn carbs are hidden in everything :-) Are the eyes doing good as well?

Stable at the moment.  Got a persistant bleed in the right eye that both docs have decided to leave alone until it either stops or requires a vitrectomy, as I’m about lasered out.  I can live with that.  It bleeds sporadically, and clears quickly, so they basically told me to go live life and don’t worry about it.  Made me feel good!! You are doing what I refer to as a smart low-carb thing.

I am trying..and am trying not to overcompensate for the lack of carbs by overdoing it protein-wise.  It’s a learning process, and I am slowly getting it. If you have cut out calories you should see weight loss, however, from here you look just fine <g

Thanks :-)  I don’t consider myself *fat*, but I am uncomfortable with my current weight. I’d feel tons better with about 50 pounds less. Today is my birthday

Happy birthday!!!!   I am obligated to go out to dinner and have whatever it is I want.  The family is disappointed if I don’t do this.

I’m having a hard tome getting my family to understand my new eating plan.  I am hard to take out now because I plain refuse to give in to things I know i shouldn’t eat.  I know I’ll feel bad later both physically and emotionally. Maybe that is the sign of old age – being more concerned with the future than the present.

Naw..just a sign that you care enough about yourself to take care…. Mike

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Marilyn writes: Have you merely cut down on carbs or did you cut down on carbs and increase protein and fat?  My gastroparesis doesn’t give me problems if I eat smaller meals, regardless of what I cut out, wondering if this is true for you or if it has to do with the make up of the meals. Hi Marilyn, I am basically doing the Adkins diet.  I have read both Bernstein’s book as well as Adkins’s, and I think it is right for me.  I’m keeping carbs to around 20 a day, and am eating about the same protein and fat that I did before, just minus all the carbs.  To answer your question, I am eating smaller meals now, I think because most of the honger is gone that I believe was casued by all the carbs I ate.  I am satisfied much easier now, therefore, the smaller portions may have something to do with the improvement fo the gastric problems.  I still take my Propulsid religeously, but the bloating and gas, etc I had befoe is gone. I feel better as a whole.  Now if some of the weight would just go away….:-) Mike

Wow!  20 carbs a day?  I don’t think I could do that.  I’m glad to see your bgs have stablized.  Are the eyes doing good as well? You are doing what I refer to as a smart low-carb thing.  Some people will increase protein when they decrease carbs and even if it works, the chance of kidney damage seems like too big of a risk to take. Especially for us T1′ers with other problems.  If you have cut out calories you should see weight loss, however, from here you look just fine <g Today is my birthday and I am obligated to go out to dinner and have whatever it is I want.  The family is disappointed if I don’t do this. The problem is that the more I eat tonight, the worse I will feel later.  Maybe that is the sign of old age – being more concerned with the future than the present. — — Marilyn Type 1 for 33 years, pumping for the last 11 Before you buy.

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Marilyn writes: Have you merely cut down on carbs or did you cut down on carbs and increase protein and fat?  My gastroparesis doesn’t give me problems if I eat smaller meals, regardless of what I cut out, wondering if this is true for you or if it has to do with the make up of the meals.

Hi Marilyn, I am basically doing the Adkins diet.  I have read both Bernstein’s book as well as Adkins’s, and I think it is right for me.  I’m keeping carbs to around 20 a day, and am eating about the same protein and fat that I did before, just minus all the carbs.  To answer your question, I am eating smaller meals now, I think because most of the honger is gone that I believe was casued by all the carbs I ate.  I am satisfied much easier now, therefore, the smaller portions may have something to do with the improvement fo the gastric problems.  I still take my Propulsid religeously, but the bloating and gas, etc I had befoe is gone. I feel better as a whole.  Now if some of the weight would just go away….:-) Mike

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<snipped stuff I’m not touching with a 10 foot pole   given that you suffer from gastroparesis, i’m glad that the Humalog works for you. It does, and as a matter of interest, I have had almost no troubles since switching to low carb eating.  No more reflux either. Mike Type 1 – 24 years H/U, low carb

Mike, Have you merely cut down on carbs or did you cut down on carbs and increase protein and fat?  My gastroparesis doesn’t give me problems if I eat smaller meals, regardless of what I cut out, wondering if this is true for you or if it has to do with the make up of the meals. — Marilyn Type 1 for 33 years, Minimed pumping for the last 11

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bill writes: ah yes, another insulin talker (as opposed to a doer).

Bullshit.  I spent the first 10 years of my diabetic life on both Illetin 1 and 2 (at different points, pork mainly)  I was switched to Humulin as a teenager when it’s use became prevelent as a cost savings if I remember right.  If anyting, I have had an easier time control wise after the switch.  Sure, if Beef was readily..and I emphasize *readily*, I would be open to trying it again, but it’s not. Since switching to H/U, (from N/R), my control has improved tremendously.  I have no desire to change..NOR to argue the merits of both modalities.  IF it works better for you, great..go for it.  gee mike, you’ve struggled recently. so it is interesting to me that you feel that "it ain’t broke."

I was struggling while learning how to adjust to my new regimine.  H/U takes some adjustment, and a learning curve, but once I got things properly adjusted for *ME*, I couldn’t ask for an easier way to tx. I am due for another A1c, but I’d bet dollars to donuts that I’m in the low 6’s or better now. and btw, i’m glad the low(er) carb diet is working for you.

Thank you.  Once again, a learning curve.  However, I feel better, am losing weight safely, and have dropped my insulin requirements dramatically. it was what drove me to consider doing something that the docs simply will no longer suggest.

Diabetics must constantly self manage.  You and only you know if it’s working or not.   normalizing b/g’s is a key.   not the key.

And *the* key would be?? but that was why i commented about my dry eye reversal (which you snipped).

Only because I had nothing of interest to ad to it, not to be rude. i actually like the old slow beef-R.   it has taken me 16 months of actually using beef-R to figure this out.  these things take time.

…as did adjusting to my current Humalog/Ultralente routine.  I love it now, as I said. but only for "breakfast" as i can most easily arange my breakfast meal schedule for handling this slowest of the Regular insulins.

I prefer to have the flexibility to adjust my insulin dosage to the food I desire to eat..or NOT to eat, rather that having to east to match my insulin.     given that you suffer from gastroparesis, i’m glad that the Humalog works for you.

It does, and as a matter of interest, I have had almost no troubles since switching to low carb eating.  No more reflux either.   Mike Type 1 – 24 years H/U, low carb

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Jen asks: What’s the primary difference between an opthamologist and a retinologist?

It did get to the point where she was needed, but in general, he is qualified, both medically, and in my opinion, to treat me on a regular basis..I feel comfortable..a very important aspect of diabetic eye care..as Wendy can attest to.

Interesting, because ALL of my laser (for the retinal bleeding) was done by the retina specialist, and all of the laser for the neovascular proliferation (say THAT three times fast) was done by the glaucoma specialist.  Why that was, I’m not sure, exactly — possibly because I had developed neovascular glaucoma, or because the neovascular growth was around the iris.  (They referred to themselves as the "front of the eye guy" and the "back of the eye guy".)  The retinal specialist — well, this is going to sound perfectly stupid, but — specializes in diseases and problems of the retina.  It was interesting to hear the glaucoma specialist speak about the differences in certain circumstances.  One thing he said was that the retina specialist was focused on that particular part of my eye, whereas he (the glaucoma specialist) was concerned with my health in general — obviously pointing to a connection between my overall health and glaucoma which I don’t understand.  Some winter reading, possibly.  Yech. The opthalmologist does all the basic check ups — for eye pressure, general eye health, vision, the whole nine yards — and refers to the rest to the specialists, but that may be just how they do it where I go, a large practice with all kinds of specialists and day-surgery facilities. Wendy

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Jen asks: What’s the primary difference between an opthamologist and a retinologist?

In a nutshell, or at least in my case, my regular opthamologist deals with general eye issues, as well as cataracts, and does treat diabetic retinopathy inclusing laser sx. He referrs to a specialist when the patient’s condidtion is beyond his scope..meaning that the condidtion is not controllable by laser surgery.  My retina specialist deals primarily with retinal desease, including macular problems as well.  She did my vitrectomy, and the follow-up laser treatments on that particular eye. I have since been released back to the care of my regular eye doc.  of the ~7000 spots per eye that I have had, 5500 or so were done by the opthamologist.  I thin in my case, it was a judgement call, and he constantly referred to her when treating me.  It did get to the point where she was needed, but in general, he is qualified, both medically, and in my opinion, to treat me on a regular basis..I feel comfortable..a very important aspect of diabetic eye care..as Wendy can attest to. I hope i answered *some* questions..as I tend to ramble! :) Mike

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What’s the primary difference between an opthamologist and a retinologist? And did you go for a second opinion (I mean, "personally" see another retinologist to make sure the first one was accurate?)? Jennifer – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Unfortunately, the doctor I saw was a retinologist.  And the doctor he consulted with was too.  Diabetic eyes are too important to waste time seeing a regular ophthalmologist. Thanks for the good wishes. And condolences on your discouraging prognosis. Wendy and Mike are both more knowledgeable about eye stuff, I wouldn’t hesitate a new york minute about following their judicious advice regarding a specialist. Take good care & have a peaceful (if not happy in at least some respects) holiday Nanuq of the North T2, 7 years, glucophage posting from work

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – then told me if I continued to lose vision like this I would lose my eyesight quickly.  Not to mention the fact that I should not get pregnant, because that cause my eyesight to deteriorate faster. I am totally devastated.  I have been on a pump for 20 years and taken good care of my self.  My HgA1c have never been above 7 since going on the pump and most of the time were in the 6.3 range.  I had so wanted to have another child and we had been planning to do it this year. Needless to say, it is not going to be a very merry x-mas…. i am truly saddened by your report on your vision loss.   more importantly i understand as a childless woman myself some of the grief you feel at christmas at not being able to bear a second child safely. christmas emphasises the child so very much.  i found myself weeping unconsolably when i was put in a sunday school class full of parents including some quite gravid women near christmas.   the pastor let me take home as many angels as i liked as a present.   i kept sobbing all my babies are of my heart not my womb. holidays forget those who are bereft for good reason. get a second opinion on your eyes. also find a research hospital affiliated with practicing diabetologists and vision specialists to exam your eyes and to evaluate your risks of bearing a child safely.   much is being discovered daily. eye tissues from some bird genera are compatible with human eyes. more later, melynda claire pearl flatt macleod aka madame reid — melynda reid  who wears hats but does not type caps               as she hates to commit a capital offense i remain a shy and retiring artist without portfolio seriously seeking homeo stasis oh whither art thou homeo??? the over forty wicked wackey mermaid revue has just begun. stay attuned for the next episode..

Melynda, ;““(

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then told me if I continued to lose vision like this I would lose my eyesight quickly.  Not to mention the fact that I should not get pregnant, because that cause my eyesight to deteriorate faster. I am totally devastated.  I have been on a pump for 20 years and taken good care of my self.  My HgA1c have never been above 7 since going on the pump and most of the time were in the 6.3 range.  I had so wanted to have another child and we had been planning to do it this year. Needless to say, it is not going to be a very merry x-mas….

i am truly saddened by your report on your vision loss.   more importantly i understand as a childless woman myself some of the grief you feel at christmas at not being able to bear a second child safely. christmas emphasises the child so very much.  i found myself weeping unconsolably when i was put in a sunday school class full of parents including some quite gravid women near christmas.   the pastor let me take home as many angels as i liked as a present.   i kept sobbing all my babies are of my heart not my womb. holidays forget those who are bereft for good reason. get a second opinion on your eyes. also find a research hospital affiliated with practicing diabetologists and vision specialists to exam your eyes and to evaluate your risks of bearing a child safely.   much is being discovered daily. eye tissues from some bird genera are compatible with human eyes. more later, melynda claire pearl flatt macleod aka madame reid — melynda reid  who wears hats but does not type caps               as she hates to commit a capital offense i remain a shy and retiring artist without portfolio seriously seeking homeo stasis oh whither art thou homeo??? the over forty wicked wackey mermaid revue has just begun. stay attuned for the next episode..

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Unfortunately, the doctor I saw was a retinologist.  And the doctor he consulted with was too.  Diabetic eyes are too important to waste time seeing a regular ophthalmologist.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks for the good wishes. And condolences on your discouraging prognosis. Wendy and Mike are both more knowledgeable about eye stuff, I wouldn’t hesitate a new york minute about following their judicious advice regarding a specialist. Take good care & have a peaceful (if not happy in at least some respects) holiday Nanuq of the North T2, 7 years, glucophage posting from work

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -bill writes: to: mr. mike the pompe2, Yep, that’s me. Does my name amuse you? :-)   only to discover that i like beef insulin THE BEST.  really a LOT easier to get good rising and bedtime b/g’s with beef-Lente. I am glad you have had good luck with beef. HOWEVER…I refuse to enter a beef vs synthetic insulin debate.  For the record, I believe that both should be available to all users of insulin, period.  I have had wonderful luck with Humulin Ultralente and Humalog, once I finally got the dosages lined out.  The kicker for me has been diet. While I also refuse to enter the low carb vs low fat issue, I have had absolutely incredible results from switching to a low carb diet.  In the three weeks since I started this (Adkins based), I have lost 15 lbs, and have had only "1" fasting BG out of my normal range. (above 140) and that reading of 200 was traced to something I ate too close to bedtime..read: my fault.  So yes, maybe Beef-Lente would work for me, but for now, it ain’t broke, so I ain’t tryin’ to fix it.  I feel better thatn I have in years. and then a few months ago i discover that i’m "one of the very few" who is allergic to the latest (and greatest?) synthetic insulin: Humalog (woe is me) I agree.  Humalog is the greatest thing since sliced bread for those who can use it. I love it, and have learned to use it quite sucessfully. it was available and i now know you could have gotten some. My RX was unable to locate it, as well as honestly not wanting to mess with sucess, so to speak.

ah yes, another insulin talker (as opposed to a doer). gee mike, you’ve struggled recently. so it is interesting to me that you feel that "it ain’t broke." i too have struggled.  not quite to the extent that you have. and btw, i’m glad the low(er) carb diet is working for you. good to see you DOING it.  fwiw, fruits *and* vegetables are the main two proven foods (that the scientific studies keep verifying).  so hopefully you’ll work enough of these into your diet. —– this is one of the interesting things i’ve learned here. few are as smart as beav.  i’m not.  and i had to struggle with my health before i finally took a long hard look at the insulin issue. is it any wonder to you that i’m thankful to a few other t1’s and their occasional positive words on beef and/or pork. it was what drove me to consider doing something that the docs simply will no longer suggest. fwiw, it wouldn’t surprise me at all if having some (50%?) beef and/or pork might help in terms of retinopathy issues. Isn’t normalizing BG’s the key?  If your (or my) bg’s are consistantly in the normal range, then why look elsewhere?  Again with the belief that both kinds be readily available to all users. Mike Type 1 H/U Low Carb and loving it

normalizing b/g’s is a key.   not the key. —– and yes, good b/g’s may easily be the leading key for most diabetics. but that was why i commented about my dry eye reversal (which you snipped).  and how my two ophthalmologists gave me no hope of ever improving it. our docs are the masters of treating the symptoms. and allergy problems (and lawsuits) have been the squEEKy wheel that has driven them. getting to more fundamental stuff takes more time. and people expect the docs to give an answer and not to return the question with more questions. —– one other interesting thing i’ve recently learned. i actually like the old slow beef-R.   it has taken me 16 months of actually using beef-R to figure this out.  these things take time. but only for "breakfast" as i can most easily arange my breakfast meal schedule for handling this slowest of the Regular insulins. for lunch and dinner, i will use either Velosulin-BR or pork-R as they are both noticeably faster and permit me to eat a normal meal. given that you suffer from gastroparesis, i’m glad that the Humalog works for you. best, bill t1 42y ex-pumper using beef-L 1x

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bill writes: to: mr. mike the pompe2,

Yep, that’s me. Does my name amuse you? :-)   only to discover that i like beef insulin THE BEST.  really a LOT easier to get good rising and bedtime b/g’s with beef-Lente.

I am glad you have had good luck with beef. HOWEVER…I refuse to enter a beef vs synthetic insulin debate.  For the record, I believe that both should be available to all users of insulin, period.  I have had wonderful luck with Humulin Ultralente and Humalog, once I finally got the dosages lined out.  The kicker for me has been diet. While I also refuse to enter the low carb vs low fat issue, I have had absolutely incredible results from switching to a low carb diet.  In the three weeks since I started this (Adkins based), I have lost 15 lbs, and have had only "1" fasting BG out of my normal range. (above 140) and that reading of 200 was traced to something I ate too close to bedtime..read: my fault.  So yes, maybe Beef-Lente would work for me, but for now, it ain’t broke, so I ain’t tryin’ to fix it.  I feel better thatn I have in years.   and then a few months ago i discover that i’m "one of the very few" who is allergic to the latest (and greatest?) synthetic insulin: Humalog (woe is me)

I agree.  Humalog is the greatest thing since sliced bread for those who can use it. I love it, and have learned to use it quite sucessfully. it was available and i now know you could have gotten some.

My RX was unable to locate it, as well as honestly not wanting to mess with sucess, so to speak. fwiw, it wouldn’t surprise me at all if having some (50%?) beef and/or pork might help in terms of retinopathy issues.

Isn’t normalizing BG’s the key?  If your (or my) bg’s are consistantly in the normal range, then why look elsewhere?  Again with the belief that both kinds be readily available to all users. Mike Type 1 H/U Low Carb and loving it

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Wendy writes:  snipped for ease of reading: Find someone who’s more cooperative and helpful, but really — and I can’t stress this enough — GET A SPECIALIST.  When my eye problems began I was astounded at the narrowness of the disciplines Very good advice!!  My regular eye doc also specializes in cataracts, and had NO problem referring me to a specialist that deals with retinal problems exclusively.  Run don’t walk to a specialist!! Mike

to: mr. mike the pompe2, i do agree with this advice. but then i sometimes wonder about them thar docs… like when two different ophthalmologists this past 8 years told me there was NOTHING i could do to help my worsening dry eye problem. turns out a lowly anecdotal comment by a fellow groveling t1 suggested it might to related to when i run higher b/g’s. so i’ve been tracking my occasional dry eye (on my tracking spreadsheets, which i keep) and have noticed an interesting relationship. my dry eye has so far only happened with b/g’s   110 fasting. and the crime of these two docs is… —– and then 16 months ago, i decide to return to animal insulin. again because of a lowly anecdotal comment by a few fellow groveling t1’s. and because beef is still available (i.e. back then), i decide (after 3 excellent weeks on pure pork insulin) to return to using the very old beef insulin. (last time i used beef insulin was about 30y ago) only to discover that i like beef insulin THE BEST.  really a LOT easier to get good rising and bedtime b/g’s with beef-Lente. and then a few months ago i discover that i’m "one of the very few" who is allergic to the latest (and greatest?) synthetic insulin: Humalog (woe is me) and my own doc is a crazy fanatic about "the goodness" of Humalog.  especially for his pumpers. and the crime of many many docs in the world today is… —– out of real curiosity, did you ever get any beef-Lente for yourself?  you bugged me a couple of times here publicly. it was available and i now know you could have gotten some. what did you do? ===== ===== fwiw, it wouldn’t surprise me at all if having some (50%?) beef and/or pork might help in terms of retinopathy issues. at least, for a few of the t1’s. and yes this is my own opinion and i’m NOT a doc. certainly most medical people would agree (?) that *if* (big if) using beef and/or pork time release insulin (Lente or NPH) help one to get better b/g values more easily, then it is helping because your HbA1c value will be better. best, bill t1 42y ex-pumper happily using beef-L 1x

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Thanks for the good wishes. And condolences on your discouraging prognosis. Wendy and Mike are both more knowledgeable about eye stuff, I wouldn’t hesitate a new york minute about following their judicious advice regarding a specialist. Take good care & have a peaceful (if not happy in at least some respects) holiday Nanuq of the North T2, 7 years, glucophage posting from work – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Congrats Nanuq of the North! I had an appointment last week with my ophthalmologist.  I have seen this guy every 3 mos. for ten years now.  Several years now I have been asking him to take more FA’s of my eyes, but he didn’t want to because he said there is no sign of diabetes that would warrant it.  After switching to a new Endo this year, he got on his butt to do one. After calling repeatedly for months and being told that he would call me if anything was wrong, I finally got an appointment. Then he pulled out the pictures and said he had bad news.  He asked how my vision had been doing over the past year, and I told him that I still was losing the ability to see small print and that the bifocals were not working and I had resorted to using a magnifying glass.  He told me there were NO blood vessels in sight and my eye showed no signs of diabetes, yet I had edema down the center of my macula.  After blowing the picture up so big they could put it on a billboard, they could still not find a reason. He then told me if I continued to lose vision like this I would lose my eyesight quickly.  Not to mention the fact that I should not get pregnant, because that cause my eyesight to deteriorate faster. I am totally devastated.  I have been on a pump for 20 years and taken good care of my self.  My HgA1c have never been above 7 since going on the pump and most of the time were in the 6.3 range.  I had so wanted to have another child and we had been planning to do it this year. Needless to say, it is not going to be a very merry x-mas…. Hey gang, here’s a bit of good luck/good news I’d like to share: with my last two a1cs at 6.0 or below, I went to my ophthalmologist yesterday. No retinopathy, no bleeds, no further macular degeneration, no growth in the macular cyst. My ophthalmologist  is most happy with me (and so am I). Few others in my life would have a clue what this means for a diabetic editor. Cheers & Happy Holidays! Nanuq of the North T2 7 years, glucophage, etc.

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Wendy writes:  snipped for ease of reading: Find someone who’s more cooperative and helpful, but really — and I can’t stress this enough — GET A SPECIALIST.  When my eye problems began I was astounded at the narrowness of the disciplines

Very good advice!!  My regular eye doc also specializes in cataracts, and had NO problem referring me to a specialist that deals with retinal problems exclusively.  Run don’t walk to a specialist!! Mike

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Congrats Nanuq of the North! I had an appointment last week with my ophthalmologist.  I have seen this guy every 3 mos. for ten years now.  Several years now I have been asking him to take more FA’s of my eyes, but he didn’t want to because he said there is no sign of diabetes that would warrant it.  After switching to a new Endo this year, he got on his butt to do one. After calling repeatedly for months and being told that he would call me if anything was wrong, I finally got an appointment. Then he pulled out the pictures and said he had bad news.  He asked how my vision had been doing over the past year, and I told him that I still was losing the ability to see small print and that the bifocals were not working and I had resorted to using a magnifying glass.  He told me there were NO blood vessels in sight and my eye showed no signs of diabetes, yet I had edema down the center of my macula.  After blowing the picture up so big they could put it on a billboard, they could still not find a reason. He then told me if I continued to lose vision like this I would lose my eyesight quickly.  Not to mention the fact that I should not get pregnant, because that cause my eyesight to deteriorate faster. I am totally devastated.  I have been on a pump for 20 years and taken good care of my self.  My HgA1c have never been above 7 since going on the pump and most of the time were in the 6.3 range.  I had so wanted to have another child and we had been planning to do it this year. Needless to say, it is not going to be a very merry x-mas….

I’m sorry to hear about your news. I don’t know if this will help at all, but the same thing happened to me. Apparently hardening of the arteries had occurred in my eye. The doctors didn’t know what caused it; the retina specialists THOUGHT it might be the diabetes, but the opthalmologist said that she had never seen such a dramatic difference between one eye and the other in a diabetes case before.  I have since talked to other people who have had the same problem, though not as dramatically as me. I would strongly recommend that you give your doctor the boot and go see a specialist.  In the first place, it’s just plain conscionable that it took so long to get back to you, or that he was so unwilling to do tests on you.  Find someone who’s more cooperative and helpful, but really — and I can’t stress this enough — GET A SPECIALIST.  When my eye problems began I was astounded at the narrowness of the disciplines — there was the opthalmologist AND the retina specialist AND the glaucoma specialist, all dealing with different aspects of the same problem.  With something as important as your sight and the possibility of having a family, do NOT let your search for information stop with that one doctor. Good luck. Wendy

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Congrats Nanuq of the North! I had an appointment last week with my ophthalmologist.  I have seen this guy every 3 mos. for ten years now.  Several years now I have been asking him to take more FA’s of my eyes, but he didn’t want to because he said there is no sign of diabetes that would warrant it.  After switching to a new Endo this year, he got on his butt to do one. After calling repeatedly for months and being told that he would call me if anything was wrong, I finally got an appointment. Then he pulled out the pictures and said he had bad news.  He asked how my vision had been doing over the past year, and I told him that I still was losing the ability to see small print and that the bifocals were not working and I had resorted to using a magnifying glass.  He told me there were NO blood vessels in sight and my eye showed no signs of diabetes, yet I had edema down the center of my macula.  After blowing the picture up so big they could put it on a billboard, they could still not find a reason. He then told me if I continued to lose vision like this I would lose my eyesight quickly.  Not to mention the fact that I should not get pregnant, because that cause my eyesight to deteriorate faster. I am totally devastated.  I have been on a pump for 20 years and taken good care of my self.  My HgA1c have never been above 7 since going on the pump and most of the time were in the 6.3 range.  I had so wanted to have another child and we had been planning to do it this year. Needless to say, it is not going to be a very merry x-mas….

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey gang, here’s a bit of good luck/good news I’d like to share: with my last two a1cs at 6.0 or below, I went to my ophthalmologist yesterday. No retinopathy, no bleeds, no further macular degeneration, no growth in the macular cyst. My ophthalmologist  is most happy with me (and so am I). Few others in my life would have a clue what this means for a diabetic editor. Cheers & Happy Holidays! Nanuq of the North T2 7 years, glucophage, etc.

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Hey gang, here’s a bit of good luck/good news I’d like to share: with my last two a1cs at 6.0 or below, I went to my ophthalmologist yesterday. No retinopathy, no bleeds, no further macular degeneration, no growth in the macular cyst. My ophthalmologist  is most happy with me (and so am I). Few others in my life would have a clue what this means for a diabetic editor. Cheers & Happy Holidays! Nanuq of the North T2 7 years, glucophage, etc.

awesum dawson splendadiferous news.  a good eye exam deserves accolades bravisimo raves und rants and dare i say it happy hippity hopi dancin n prancing hello snobear. for thee i wilst return for a spell to the odious misc.health.diabetes besides e mail from la mimi ist squirrelly as all gitt out love, melina mecurial — melynda reid  who wears hats but does not type caps               as she hates to commit a capital offense i remain a shy and retiring artist without portfolio seriously seeking homeo stasis oh whither art thou homeo??? the over forty wicked wackey mermaid revue has just begun. stay attuned for the next episode..

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Few others in my life would have a clue what this means for a diabetic editor.

This diabetic retired legal researcher who still loves to read and consumes at least 3 novels a week truly understands. Judy Type 1  25+ years 48 years old

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can be grateful for so many things that so many others take for granted Santa came early this year! — k t1 13 yrs now sending as Tiger Lily

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey gang, here’s a bit of good luck/good news I’d like to share: with my last two a1cs at 6.0 or below, I went to my ophthalmologist yesterday. No retinopathy, no bleeds, no further macular degeneration, no growth in the macular cyst. My ophthalmologist  is most happy with me (and so am I). Few others in my life would have a clue what this means for a diabetic editor. Cheers & Happy Holidays! Nanuq of the North T2 7 years, glucophage, etc.

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Hey gang, here’s a bit of good luck/good news I’d like to share: with my last two a1cs at 6.0 or below, I went to my ophthalmologist yesterday. No retinopathy, no bleeds, no further macular degeneration, no growth in the macular cyst. My ophthalmologist  is most happy with me (and so am I). Few others in my life would have a clue what this means for a diabetic editor.

This diabetic eye doctor understands. Congrats! I had a good eye report myself the other day. -MT

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Hey gang, here’s a bit of good luck/good news I’d like to share: with my last two a1cs at 6.0 or below, I went to my ophthalmologist yesterday. No retinopathy, no bleeds, no further macular degeneration, no growth in the macular cyst. My ophthalmologist  is most happy with me (and so am I). Few others in my life would have a clue what this means for a diabetic editor. Cheers & Happy Holidays! Nanuq of the North T2 7 years, glucophage, etc.

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Congrats Nanuq.  The hard work to get and keep those a1c down really paid off for you.  May the good thing just keep coming. — Marilyn Type 1 for 33 years, Minimed pumping for the last 11

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey gang, here’s a bit of good luck/good news I’d like to share: with my last two a1cs at 6.0 or below, I went to my ophthalmologist yesterday. No retinopathy, no bleeds, no further macular degeneration, no growth in the macular cyst. My ophthalmologist  is most happy with me (and so am I). Few others in my life would have a clue what this means for a diabetic editor. Cheers & Happy Holidays! Nanuq of the North T2 7 years, glucophage, etc.

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Eye problem?

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On 01 Oct 1999 03:37:54 GMT, kamatth…@aol.com (Kathi Matthews) wrote:

People with ms DO get other things you know.  I have arthritis and am beginning to wonder if i also have fibromyalgia since I hurt all over.  How does it feel different from arthritis ?   Anybody know?  The ulcerative colitis at least is quiet now. Kathi

Kathi, FMS is an all over pain, arthritis is usually in joints.  Another sign of FMS is that the pain moves around — one day a shoulder aches, another a leg or hip.  A rheumatologist can help.  There are some pretty standard ways of diagnosing FMS;  certain points on the body hurt like hell when pressed. I have FMS as well as MS.  I also have a lot of osteoarthritis from MS wobble wear.  My doctor urges stretching exercise and she is right. It helps much more than the painkillers, but I used the pain meds to get enough relief to begin moving the hurting body. Both FMS and arthritis respond to anti-inflammatories — aspirin, NSAID’s and stretching and range of motion exercise.  However, a ditzy physical therapist damn near killed me treating my pain with hot towels so you have to be careful. Kathi, I know you worry about over-using the WC, but I wonder if you are exhausting yourself and causing pain trying to balance on the crutches.  For me the crutches are better than a cane or walker at keeping me upright with my legs and back in pretty normal position, but still I am working them in ways they never were intended to work. And it hurts. Kate

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On 30 Sep 1999 22:21:58 GMT, queen…@aol.comnojunk (Margaret) wrote:

In article <19990929174412.08428.00001…@ngol06.aol.com, kamatth…@aol.com (Kathi Matthews) writes: Well, I am waiting for my internist to set up an eye doctor appt. just to have them checked. While I do have a number of eye problems from demyelination, the floaters are something new.

Margaret, The tiny black floaters in retinal detachment are spots where a hole in the retina is allowing fluid behind the retina.  When enough fluid accumulate, there is a danger that the retina will begin to tear. Not all black floaters are a detaching retina, but the danger is so great, they should be checked out. PLEASE, if they suddenly get larger or there are lots more of them, go to the emergency room and don’t wait! Kate

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In article <19990930233754.15430.00000…@ngol05.aol.com

, kamatth…@aol.com

(Kathi Matthews) writes:

People with ms DO get other things you know.  I have arthritis and am beginning to wonder if i also have fibromyalgia since I hurt all over.

:) I know. I think it is just easier for me to adopt that wait and see attitude because if it is the MS that particular symptom might get better and just go away. I keep hoping anyway. All I know about FMS is that it is very painful and I hope you can avoid having that as something else to deal with. Margaret "You are braver than you believe, and stronger than you seem, and smarter than you think." Christopher Robin to Pooh in "Pooh’s Grand Adventure" to reply directly to me remove nojunk from my email address

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Kathi Matthews wrote:

Sometimes they are a form of cheap entertainment; at other times they are signs of a detached retina!  What you are seeing as "floaters" is actually blood passing by your pupil.   You should get to an eye doctor RIGHT AWAY!  It may or may not be serious, but it is nothing to fool around with!

Yes, but the difference is whether you just gradually notice them over the course of time, or whether you suddenly see them after some sort of head trauma. The *average* person is gonna notice whether they just experienced a head trauma or not…. :-) Lin ~~ I came, I saw, I left ~~ My header never changes…..look carefully & don’t be fooled by forgeries!

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On 29 Sep 1999 12:57:56 GMT, kamatth…@aol.com (Kathi Matthews) wrote:

I have been having this thing where I see little black squiggly things :) They are very fine, almost like tiny threads. I thought I would wait a week or two and if they haven’t gone away head to the neuro.

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Sometimes they are a form of cheap entertainment; at other times they are signs of a detached retina!  What you are seeing as "floaters" is actually blood passing by your pupil.   You should get to an eye doctor RIGHT AWAY!  It may or may not be serious, but it is nothing to fool around with!  

My detached retina started with little black spots that at first I thought were bugs flying by, they got bigger until they blacked out all of my vision.  It was like a black shade that was slowly pulled over my right eye. It needs emergency attention.  If you can’t get an MD, go to the ER. And get the very best, most experience retinal surgeon you can.  This is tricky surgery that needs experience. Kate

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Hi Margaret, I think floaters are very common. You should get them checked out but I wouldn’t get too alarmed. I was told that they tend to settle down and fall to the bottom of the eye eventually, but I don’t know if that’s true. Anyway many people get them so don’t be too alarmed that they may be the first sign of a detached retina – they may be, but the chances are that they are not. I have had floaters for years – I guess I should get them looked at, but they are right at the bottom of the list of my health concerns at this moment in time. A friend actually had a detached retina and they welded it back on with a laser and now her sight is fine. She said she had like a rainstorm of floaters and not just a few. I’m just saying this because, if you’re like me, you will worry away. You should have them seen to, though. Take care, Paul – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Margaret wrote:

In article <37F1326B.1…@fnet.FriendlyNet.com, Lin&Jim <Danc…@fnet.FriendlyNet.com writes: Neuro won’t help ya w/ those. Those suckers be "floaters", & in most cases, are a normal by-product of aging. I’ve had them for as long as I can remember. Most of the time, I don’t notice them….occasionally, they’re a cheap form of entertainment….but sometimes, they drive me nutz!!!!! LOL…for the longest time I thought I was going blind because I was having such trouble reading the fine print on anything (I am supposed to wear glasses.) One day I wasn’t wearing my glasses and discovered I could read fine print again….another by-product of aging. My arms just weren’t long enough to hold the print far enough away when I had my glasses on. So that by-product was a fair one as it corrected my vision problems in that respect (at least for a time.) I too find them a form of cheap entertainment, but it drives Scott crazy for me to follow them around <G Margaret "You are braver than you believe, and stronger than you seem, and smarter than you think." Christopher Robin to Pooh in "Pooh’s Grand Adventure" to reply directly to me remove nojunk from my email address

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In article <37F3E080.3…@fnet.FriendlyNet.com

, Lin&Jim

<Danc…@fnet.FriendlyNet.com

writes: When I started noticing mine, in my early 30’s, my eye dr just said, "they’re normal & fairly common", & that was pretty much it. I, too, am extremely nearsighted – I wear contacts normally, but my glasses look like old Coke bottle bottoms – & never heard of detatched retinas occuring out of nowhere w/ nearsightedness.

I went to the ‘net to look for info about the floaters after I read the posts from Kathi and Kate. There is a condition called PVD that occurs as people get older and generally it isn’t much of a problem and you eventually get used to the floaters and don’t notice them anymore. At the other end of the spectrum is total detachment which is very serious and requires surgey under general anethesia (or however you spell it.) I can’t remember if it was Kathi or Kate, but whoever it was likened it to a sort of "better safe than sorry" type of thing. If I see the doctor and it is a natural occurance of aging that’s fine (in fact that is great.) OTOH, if I see the doctor and it is a more serious condition then I am much better off for having caught it as early as I did. Either way, I am better off for knowing the details. So I am grateful to them for pointing out the possibilities. BTW, doctor’s appointment is Tuesday morning. :) Margaret "You are braver than you believe, and stronger than you seem, and smarter than you think." Christopher Robin to Pooh in "Pooh’s Grand Adventure" to reply directly to me remove nojunk from my email address

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In article <19990930182158.07385.00000…@ngol03.aol.com

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queen…@aol.comnojunk (Margaret) writes:

us or I would know of course; but I did have at least one grand mal seizure recently, which is about when I started noticing this new eye problem. <G I think I don’t worry enough about things as I tend to wait and see if it goes away. I also tend to assume everything is from the MS, so that contributes to my "wait and see" attitude. Margaret

People with ms DO get other things you know.  I have arthritis and am beginning to wonder if i also have fibromyalgia since I hurt all over.  How does it feel different from arthritis ?   Anybody know?  The ulcerative colitis at least is quiet now. Kathi

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I would think you should see an opthamologist very soon. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ——Original Message—– From: Carmel Pacey Digby <jara…@ledanet.com.au

To: alt.support.mult-sclero…@list.deja.com <alt.support.mult-sclero…@list.deja.com

Date: Thursday, September 30, 1999 8:13 PM Subject: Eye problem?

Message from the Deja.com forum: alt.support.mult-sclerosis Your subscription is set to individual email delivery Twice this week I’ve woken at 4 or 5 am with eye pain.  Both times I felt overheated and threw the blanket off.  Cold packs eased the pain after a

while.

My vision seems a bit strange.  Like dark areas superimposed on what I look

at.

It’s like the afterimage you get after you look at something bright, that

gets

superimposed on the next thing you look at.  Things seem to kind of shimmer too.  It’s a bit hard to read the text on my screen.  Do I have a problem? Carmel — " Don’t wait for a light to appear at the end of the tunnel.  Stride down there and light the bloody thing yourself." _____________________________________________________________ Deja.com: Before you buy. http://www.deja.com/ * To modify or remove your subscription, go to http://www.deja.com/edit_sub.xp?group=alt.support.mult-sclerosis * Read this thread at http://www.deja.com/thread/%3C37F01F28.FFEC9D85%40ledanet.com.au%3E

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In article <19990929174412.08428.00001…@ngol06.aol.com

, kamatth…@aol.com

(Kathi Matthews) writes:

Well my floaters  started all of a sudden without any head trauma (unless you count ms, which no one did for another 15 years).

Well, I am waiting for my internist to set up an eye doctor appt. just to have them checked. While I do have a number of eye problems from demyelination, the floaters are something new. As to whether or not I have had head trauma…nothing really serious or I would know of course; but I did have at least one grand mal seizure recently, which is about when I started noticing this new eye problem. <G

I think I don’t worry enough about things as I tend

to wait and see if it goes away. I also tend to assume everything is from the MS, so that contributes to my "wait and see" attitude. Margaret "You are braver than you believe, and stronger than you seem, and smarter than you think." Christopher Robin to Pooh in "Pooh’s Grand Adventure" to reply directly to me remove nojunk from my email address

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On Wed, 29 Sep 1999 11:49:30 -0400, Lin&Jim <Danc…@fnet.FriendlyNet.com

wrote: Yes, but the difference is whether you just gradually notice them over the course of time, or whether you suddenly see them after some sort of head trauma. The *average* person is gonna notice whether they just experienced a head trauma or not….

Lin, Head trauma is not the only cause of retinal detachment.  Some people with near-sightedness seem to get a detachment that happens naturally. I think as part of aging, but am not sure. I have always been very near-sighted.  When the floaters began, I thought they might be MS related, but the newsgroup urged me to get to the doctor.  By then, the black area was growing rapidly. The expectation was that my eyesight would return after surgery, but it has not.  The black is gone, but I can see almost nothing with my strong glasses and nothing but snow without.  This condition is getting progressively worse.  However, emy left eye hobbles along OK, even with its cataracts.   Kat

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Kate Murphy wrote:

Head trauma is not the only cause of retinal detachment.  Some people with near-sightedness seem to get a detachment that happens naturally. I think as part of aging, but am not sure. I have always been very near-sighted.  When the floaters began, I thought they might be MS related, but the newsgroup urged me to get to the doctor.  By then, the black area was growing rapidly. The expectation was that my eyesight would return after surgery, but it has not.  The black is gone, but I can see almost nothing with my strong glasses and nothing but snow without.  This condition is getting progressively worse.  However, emy left eye hobbles along OK, even with its cataracts.

This is all news to me. Seriously, I’d never heard of any of this before! When I started noticing mine, in my early 30’s, my eye dr just said, "they’re normal & fairly common", & that was pretty much it. I, too, am extremely nearsighted – I wear contacts normally, but my glasses look like old Coke bottle bottoms – & never heard of detatched retinas occuring out of nowhere w/ nearsightedness. I stand corrected, everyone!! Ya learn something new everyday!! Thanx for today’s lesson! :-) Lin ~~ I came, I saw, I left ~~ My header never changes…..look carefully & don’t be fooled by forgeries!

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In article <19990929085756.08787.00001…@ngol01.aol.com

, kamatth…@aol.com

(Kathi Matthews) writes:

You should get to an eye doctor RIGHT AWAY!  It may or may not be serious, but it is nothing to fool around with!  

Thanks for the advice Kathi. I will call about an appointment. Margaret "You are braver than you believe, and stronger than you seem, and smarter than you think." Christopher Robin to Pooh in "Pooh’s Grand Adventure" to reply directly to me remove nojunk from my email address

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Could it be the blurry spots are just grunge we didn’t clean off our glasses? You need your glasses on to see them so you can clean them off!  ;-] Carmel – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Margaret wrote:

In article <37F1326B.1…@fnet.FriendlyNet.com, Lin&Jim <Danc…@fnet.FriendlyNet.com writes: Neuro won’t help ya w/ those. Those suckers be "floaters", & in most cases, are a normal by-product of aging. I’ve had them for as long as I can remember. Most of the time, I don’t notice them….occasionally, they’re a cheap form of entertainment….but sometimes, they drive me nutz!!!!! LOL…for the longest time I thought I was going blind because I was having such trouble reading the fine print on anything (I am supposed to wear glasses.) One day I wasn’t wearing my glasses and discovered I could read fine print again….another by-product of aging. My arms just weren’t long enough to hold the print far enough away when I had my glasses on. So that by-product was a fair one as it corrected my vision problems in that respect (at least for a time.) I too find them a form of cheap entertainment, but it drives Scott crazy for me to follow them around <G Margaret "You are braver than you believe, and stronger than you seem, and smarter than you think." Christopher Robin to Pooh in "Pooh’s Grand Adventure" to reply directly to me remove nojunk from my email address

— " Don’t wait for a light to appear at the end of the tunnel.   Stride down there and light the bloody thing yourself."

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In article <37F25BB2.A553C…@btinternet.com

, Paul Jones

<Paul_Jo…@btinternet.com

writes: I think floaters are very common. You should get them checked out but I wouldn’t get too alarmed. I was told that they tend to settle down and fall to the bottom of the eye eventually, but I don’t know if that’s true. Anyway many people get them so don’t be too alarmed that they may be the first sign of a detached retina – they may be, but the chances are that they are not.

They may not be serious, and probably *aren’t*, but only an eye doctor can tell you.  In 1980 I had terrible floaters.  All of a sudden out of nowhere. They thought I had a tear in my retina.  Finally a very weird diagnosis: "inflammation of the veins of the retina." I had it in both eyes, even though I only had floaters in one.  The eye doc thought predisone (the only treatment) was overkill and wanted to see if it would go away by itself. Which it did after 6 months. Eventually the body reaborbs the blood and you don’t see the floaters anymore.   Looking back, I think this was my first attack of ms.  That’s when my walking and standing problems began…….. Kathi

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In article <37F25BB2.A553C…@btinternet.com

, Paul Jones

<Paul_Jo…@btinternet.com

writes: A friend actually had a detached retina and they welded it back on with a laser and now her sight is fine. She said she had like a rainstorm of floaters and not just a few.

But you have to have immediate, emergency treatment to save your sight.  My father had 4 detached retinas (twice in each eye). He lost a lot of peripherial vision. One of them was caused by sneezing too hard!  That, and my previous retinal problems, make me *very* aware of this. Kathi

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writes: Yes, but the difference is whether you just gradually notice them over the course of time, or whether you suddenly see them after some sort of head trauma. The *average* person is gonna notice whether they just experienced a head trauma or not….

Well my floaters  started all of a sudden without any head trauma (unless you count ms, which no one did for another 15 years).  It suddenly looked like I was looking thru a very dirty glass, and clinically both eyes had inflamed retinas, even though I had symptoms only in one. Kathi

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Twice this week I’ve woken at 4 or 5 am with eye pain.  Both times I felt overheated and threw the blanket off.  Cold packs eased the pain after a while. My vision seems a bit strange.  Like dark areas superimposed on what I look at. It’s like the afterimage you get after you look at something bright, that gets superimposed on the next thing you look at.  Things seem to kind of shimmer too.  It’s a bit hard to read the text on my screen.  Do I have a problem?   Carmel — " Don’t wait for a light to appear at the end of the tunnel.   Stride down there and light the bloody thing yourself."

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Carmel Pacey Digby wrote:

Twice this week I’ve woken at 4 or 5 am with eye pain.  Both times I felt overheated and threw the blanket off.  Cold packs eased the pain after a while. My vision seems a bit strange.  Like dark areas superimposed on what I look at. It’s like the afterimage you get after you look at something bright, that gets superimposed on the next thing you look at.

Yes, you have a problem.  See an opthalmologist or neuro-opthalmologist to get diagnosed.  It could be optic neuritis or something else.  But there are treatments. Hope it gets better.  And stay cool.  Heat will make you feel worse. Take care. Lois – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -

— " Don’t wait for a light to appear at the end of the tunnel.   Stride down there and light the bloody thing yourself."

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See your neurologist ASAP. Sounds like it could be optic neuritis. Good luck Wendy — Wendy’s Multiple Sclerosis Site http://www.wendys-ms-site.addr.com

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<jara…@ledanet.com.au

writes: My vision seems a bit strange.  Like dark areas superimposed on what I look at. It’s like the afterimage you get after you look at something bright, that gets superimposed on the next thing you look at.

Hi Carmel, I have been having this thing where I see little black squiggly things :)  They are very fine, almost like tiny threads. I thought I would wait a week or two and if they haven’t gone away head to the neuro. Margaret "You are braver than you believe, and stronger than you seem, and smarter than you think." Christopher Robin to Pooh in "Pooh’s Grand Adventure" to reply directly to me remove nojunk from my email address

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Margaret wrote:

I have been having this thing where I see little black squiggly things :)  They are very fine, almost like tiny threads. I thought I would wait a week or two and if they haven’t gone away head to the neuro.

Margaret: Neuro won’t help ya w/ those. Those suckers be "floaters", & in most cases, are a normal by-product of aging. I’ve had them for as long as I can remember. Most of the time, I don’t notice them….occasionally, they’re a cheap form of entertainment….but sometimes, they drive me nutz!!!!! It was chilly here in NW Ohio this morning, & my back was killen me, so I climbed into my sweats, put my TENS unit on, heated up my little heating bag, & crashed out on the sofa for awhile. When I woke up, it was in the 80’s, & now my left eye won’t focus….GRRRR!!!!! Made another appt w/ the ophthalmologist for Mon (been meaning to get my vision checked, anyway). Annoying stuff….. :-) Lin ~~ I came, I saw, I left ~~ My header never changes…..look carefully & don’t be fooled by forgeries!

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Carmel ~ If you are having eye pain I would check with my opthamologist or neuro to make sure you aren’t having a bout of optic neuritis.  When I have had this I usually have to go on a dose of IV solumedrol.  But anyway, by checking with the doc at least you will know if it needs treatment or not.   Best of luck to you, eye pain really sucks!   Barb

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<Danc…@fnet.FriendlyNet.com

writes: Neuro won’t help ya w/ those. Those suckers be "floaters", & in most cases, are a normal by-product of aging. I’ve had them for as long as I can remember. Most of the time, I don’t notice them….occasionally, they’re a cheap form of entertainment….but sometimes, they drive me nutz!!!!!

LOL…for the longest time I thought I was going blind because I was having such trouble reading the fine print on anything (I am supposed to wear glasses.) One day I wasn’t wearing my glasses and discovered I could read fine print again….another by-product of aging. My arms just weren’t long enough to hold the print far enough away when I had my glasses on. So that by-product was a fair one as it corrected my vision problems in that respect (at least for a time.) I too find them a form of cheap entertainment, but it drives Scott crazy for me to follow them around <G

Margaret "You are braver than you believe, and stronger than you seem, and smarter than you think." Christopher Robin to Pooh in "Pooh’s Grand Adventure" to reply directly to me remove nojunk from my email address

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writes: Margaret wrote: I have been having this thing where I see little black squiggly things :) They are very fine, almost like tiny threads. I thought I would wait a week or two and if they haven’t gone away head to the neuro. Margaret: Neuro won’t help ya w/ those. Those suckers be "floaters", & in most cases, are a normal by-product of aging. I’ve had them for as long as I can remember. Most of the time, I don’t notice them….occasionally, they’re a cheap form of entertainment….but sometimes, they drive me nutz!!!!!

Sometimes they are a form of cheap entertainment; at other times they are signs of a detached retina!  What you are seeing as "floaters" is actually blood passing by your pupil.   You should get to an eye doctor RIGHT AWAY!  It may or may not be serious, but it is nothing to fool around with!   You could compare this to going to the emergency room with chest pains that turn out to be indigestion, making you feel foolish v.s. the other alternative — having a real heart attack and dying at home because you wouldn’t go to an emergency room.  That scare you enough?  Really, your eyes are nothing to take ANY chances with! Kathi Kathi

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