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Question:

On Mon, 17 May 2004 23:31:29 +0200, Michael Drach wrote:

Excuse me, I would like to ask you one more question: 1. How do you cope with weight gain that Seroquel causes?

I keep a closer eye on my diet.  Basicly, Seroquel causes weight gain because it makes you hungry.  I make a point of snacking on vegetables and the like, so it’s not too bad.  I’m also trying to drink more liquor and less beer.  That’s my idea of a diet.  I’m also 6′5" and 250lbs.  If I gain or loose ten pounds here or there, it’s not much of a difference.   I actually think that in the long run Serequel is going to help me loose weight.  I’ve had trouble exercising for the past few years because I was scared to leave my brain idle and subject to obsessions for the time required to work out.  I’m now finding myself able to go out and walk around outdoors and burn off calories without getting caught in paranoid thought loops.   — —–BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK—– Version: 3.12 GP d? s+:+ a- C++ UL P— L+++ E W+ N++ o+ K+ w— O- M V- PS+++ PE– Y+ PGP t- 5 X+ R tv+ b++ DI+ D— G e h— r++ y+++ ——END GEEK CODE BLOCK——

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THANX "Velvet Elvis" <gamb…@REMOVEsofthome.THISnet

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On Mon, 17 May 2004 23:31:29 +0200, Michael Drach wrote: Excuse me, I would like to ask you one more question: 1. How do you cope with weight gain that Seroquel causes? I keep a closer eye on my diet.  Basicly, Seroquel causes weight gain because it makes you hungry.  I make a point of snacking on vegetables and the like, so it’s not too bad.  I’m also trying to drink more liquor and less beer.  That’s my idea of a diet.  I’m also 6′5" and 250lbs.  If I gain or loose ten pounds here or there, it’s not much of a difference. I actually think that in the long run Serequel is going to help me loose weight.  I’ve had trouble exercising for the past few years because I was scared to leave my brain idle and subject to obsessions for the time required to work out.  I’m now finding myself able to go out and walk around outdoors and burn off calories without getting caught in paranoid thought loops. — —–BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK—– Version: 3.12 GP d? s+:+ a- C++ UL P— L+++ E W+ N++ o+ K+ w— O- M V- PS+++ PE– Y+ PGP t- 5 X+ R tv+ b++ DI+ D— G e h— r++ y+++ ——END GEEK CODE BLOCK——

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, mur…@hotmail.com says… It seams that OCDs are sentenced to live with antipsychotics. As I live in Croatia the newest one we have here on our health insurance list is Seroquel. Abilify for example, one must pay by himself if wants to have it.

Pozdrav, Samo da pozdravim sunarodnjaka sa istim problemima kao i ja. Mozes se javiti na mail. Sretno

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It seams that OCDs are sentenced to live with antipsychotics. As I live in Croatia the newest one we have here on our health insurance list is Seroquel. Abilify for example, one must pay by himself if wants to have it. I am in doubt is it wort to pay for that med and what should I get with it in comparison to Seroquel? So I would be glad if someone who uses Abilify tell me what are his/hers experiences?! It would be even better if he/she has used Seroquel before and has switched to Abilify to give me some short comparison?! Apart what official statistics says about Seroquel the main disadvantage of that med for me are drowsiness and increased appetite. Is it real that Abilify does not have this side effects? Even they call him miracle drug it must have some bad sides for shure? As there is no ideal one. I would also like to know, what would be corresponding dose Abilify – Seroquel?. I take 200 mg of Seroquel per day  (that would correspond to 2 mg of Risperidon for example) according to my approximate calculation!? I made this calculation by takin initial Schizophrenia doses of each drug that are 300 mg/day for Seroquel and 3 mg/day for Risperidon. This question is important because Id like to know how much would that cost me?! So, if someone is willing to deal some of my dilemmas I would be thankful! Sincerely Michael http://profiles.yahoo.com/mursa5a

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On Fri, 14 May 2004 23:02:55 +0200, Michael Drach wrote:

It seams that OCDs are sentenced to live with antipsychotics. As I live in Croatia the newest one we have here on our health insurance list is Seroquel. Abilify for example, one must pay by himself if wants to have it. I am in doubt is it wort to pay for that med and what should I get with it in comparison to Seroquel? So I would be glad if someone who uses Abilify tell me what are his/hers experiences?! It would be even better if he/she has used Seroquel before and has switched to Abilify to give me some short comparison?!

I’ve never been on Ability.  I have been on Zyprexa, Risperdal, Geodon and most recently Serequel.  I’ve found Serequel to be the most effective verses my OCD symptoms.  Yes, it makes me drowsy, but I take it at night about an hour before bed when it does a nice job of making my head shut up so I can sleep.  I awake feeling well rested and not particularly hung over like I did on Zyprexa and Rispidal.  For what it’s worth, Geodon also does not have the side effects that you mention.  Unfortunately, I didn’t find it particularly effective.  Keep in mind that you have OCD.  Your worries about side effects are likely to be worse than what they actually are.  100 mgs of Serequel at night combined with 60mgs a day of generic prozac do well enough to keep my OCD symptoms tolerable. Larger doses of Serequel decrease the symptoms even further, but at the expense of cognitive functioning.  I prefer mild OCD symptoms (I’m a pure obsessive with a touch of Tourette’s Syndrome, FWIW) and mild side effects to no OCD symptoms and severe side effects.  Are you taking a SSRI in addition to the anti-psychotic?  Combining the two is a big part of what lets me get by with a low enough dose of Serequel that I have minimal side effects. — —–BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK—– Version: 3.12 GP d? s+:+ a- C++ UL P— L+++ E W+ N++ o+ K+ w— O- M V- PS+++ PE– Y+ PGP t- 5 X+ R tv+ b++ DI+ D— G e h— r++ y+++ ——END GEEK CODE BLOCK——

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Wow, I did not expect to get such a competent answer! Thank you very much! Sincerely, MD "Velvet Elvis" <gamb…@REMOVEsofthome.THISnet

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On Fri, 14 May 2004 23:02:55 +0200, Michael Drach wrote: It seams that OCDs are sentenced to live with antipsychotics. As I live

in

Croatia the newest one we have here on our health insurance list is Seroquel. Abilify for example, one must pay by himself if wants to have it. I am in doubt is it wort to pay for that med and what should I get with it in comparison to Seroquel? So I would be glad if someone who

uses

Abilify tell me what are his/hers experiences?! It would be even better

if

he/she has used Seroquel before and has switched to Abilify to give me some short comparison?! I’ve never been on Ability.  I have been on Zyprexa, Risperdal, Geodon and most recently Serequel.  I’ve found Serequel to be the most effective verses my OCD symptoms.  Yes, it makes me drowsy, but I take it at night about an hour before bed when it does a nice job of making my head shut up so I can sleep.  I awake feeling well rested and not particularly hung over like I did on Zyprexa and Rispidal.  For what it’s worth, Geodon also does not have the side effects that you mention.  Unfortunately, I didn’t find it particularly effective.  Keep in mind that you have OCD.  Your worries about side effects are likely to be worse than what they actually are.  100 mgs of Serequel at night combined with 60mgs a day of generic prozac do well enough to keep my OCD symptoms tolerable. Larger doses of Serequel decrease the symptoms even further, but at the expense of cognitive functioning.  I prefer mild OCD symptoms (I’m a pure obsessive with a touch of Tourette’s Syndrome, FWIW) and mild side effects to no OCD symptoms and severe side effects.  Are you taking a SSRI in addition to the anti-psychotic?  Combining the two is a big part of what lets me get by with a low enough dose of Serequel that I have minimal side effects. — —–BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK—– Version: 3.12 GP d? s+:+ a- C++ UL P— L+++ E W+ N++ o+ K+ w— O- M V- PS+++ PE– Y+ PGP t- 5 X+ R tv+ b++ DI+ D— G e h— r++ y+++ ——END GEEK CODE BLOCK——

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Excuse me, I would like to ask you one more question: 1. How do you cope with weight gain that Seroquel causes? MD "Velvet Elvis" <gamb…@REMOVEsofthome.THISnet

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On Fri, 14 May 2004 23:02:55 +0200, Michael Drach wrote: It seams that OCDs are sentenced to live with antipsychotics. As I live

in

Croatia the newest one we have here on our health insurance list is Seroquel. Abilify for example, one must pay by himself if wants to have it. I am in doubt is it wort to pay for that med and what should I get with it in comparison to Seroquel? So I would be glad if someone who

uses

Abilify tell me what are his/hers experiences?! It would be even better

if

he/she has used Seroquel before and has switched to Abilify to give me some short comparison?! I’ve never been on Ability.  I have been on Zyprexa, Risperdal, Geodon and most recently Serequel.  I’ve found Serequel to be the most effective verses my OCD symptoms.  Yes, it makes me drowsy, but I take it at night about an hour before bed when it does a nice job of making my head shut up so I can sleep.  I awake feeling well rested and not particularly hung over like I did on Zyprexa and Rispidal.  For what it’s worth, Geodon also does not have the side effects that you mention.  Unfortunately, I didn’t find it particularly effective.  Keep in mind that you have OCD.  Your worries about side effects are likely to be worse than what they actually are.  100 mgs of Serequel at night combined with 60mgs a day of generic prozac do well enough to keep my OCD symptoms tolerable. Larger doses of Serequel decrease the symptoms even further, but at the expense of cognitive functioning.  I prefer mild OCD symptoms (I’m a pure obsessive with a touch of Tourette’s Syndrome, FWIW) and mild side effects to no OCD symptoms and severe side effects.  Are you taking a SSRI in addition to the anti-psychotic?  Combining the two is a big part of what lets me get by with a low enough dose of Serequel that I have minimal side effects. — —–BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK—– Version: 3.12 GP d? s+:+ a- C++ UL P— L+++ E W+ N++ o+ K+ w— O- M V- PS+++ PE– Y+ PGP t- 5 X+ R tv+ b++ DI+ D— G e h— r++ y+++ ——END GEEK CODE BLOCK——

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I don’t think coffee is going to do him any good. Probably make him sick. Risperadal, makes me sleep alot. I sleep 12 hours every other day. Even when I don’t take my medicine. You can lessen the dose, just enough to make you sleep less. M.D "Just Me" <thecli…@hotmail.com

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Same thing happened to me.  I went back to what I was taking.  Have you tried Risperdal? You could take up drinking lots coffee or Diet Coke or both.  You could

also > gradually increase the dose instead of taking the full amount at once. > "fpierson" <tencentsermon…@lycos.com

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> news:2102ef27.0402211505.29b53b8f@posting.google.com… > > I just started taking Seroquel and it makes me sleep twelve hours a > > day and then I still feel like a nap in the afternoon.  What can I do > > about this?

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I took seroquel at night which made me sleepy and just a little bit of haldol during the day which kept me alert during the day.  I could not take seroquel during the day, it made me too sleepy.  If you can tolerate a little bit of haldol the combination of haldol and seroquel was pretty good for me.  Everyone responds so differently to these medications, so I don’t know if its right for you.  The doc switched me to ziprasidone (geodon) now, it’s ok, I’m not really crazy about it but I lost 30 lbs. take care sunrise

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tencentsermon…@lycos.com (fpierson) writes:

I just started taking Seroquel and it makes me sleep twelve hours a day and then I still feel like a nap in the afternoon.  What can I do about this?

i’ve been taking 50mg/PM for a couple of years. i only take it AM if i feel that i need it. at first, i slept and/or felt druggy for 12 hours. the time fairly quickly went down to 10 hours. i take it about 8pm, and i am usually asleep by 10:30pm. i wake up around 5/6 AM and i don’t feel groggy. i want to add, that i had my depression under control before i started taking seroquel, therefore, it was easy to find the motivation to be active. (when i was down, i napped to escape boredom) i live on a farm, so it’s easy to find an activity that needed to be done yesterday.  ;) (of course, you don’t have to live on a farm to grow a crop. with a 5 gallon bucket of dirt, and a sunny spot, you can grow some tasty veggies and herbs.) bill

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I just started taking Seroquel and it makes me sleep twelve hours a day and then I still feel like a nap in the afternoon.  What can I do about this?

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Same thing happened to me.  I went back to what I was taking.  Have you tried Risperdal? You could take up drinking lots coffee or Diet Coke or both.  You could also gradually increase the dose instead of taking the full amount at once. "fpierson" <tencentsermon…@lycos.com

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I just started taking Seroquel and it makes me sleep twelve hours a day and then I still feel like a nap in the afternoon.  What can I do about this?

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I just started taking Seroquel and it makes me sleep twelve hours a day and then I still feel like a nap in the afternoon.  What can I do about this?

I just woke up from a 5 hour nap. I was up for 5 hours before that, after waking up from being asleep for 5 hours. Sleepiness tends to demand sleep, but I’ve got to start a regimen of 100 mg of caffeine from half a No-Doze pill; and try to be dressed so I can get out of the front door by mid-afternoon. My sleep/wake hours get screwed up by cumulative stress, and the computer/TV keeping me up all night as a stimulant. Maybe I should read some really boring books at night instead, they can cause me to conk out in 90 minutes. As for Seroquel, I don’t know much about this particular medicine, but many medicines can cause so much sleepiness, a normal life is no longer possible. I used to have to sleep 16 hours a day for 3 years straight while I was on meds. All I could do was runaway from the mental health system to get out of that medicinally-induced coma.

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Its all gone quiet in here……

Question:

Hi all I hope that you all survived the xmas and new year holidays without any drama. Hope you are all doing well. I have just started a diary so I can record my progress over the coming year. Hopefully it will help me to remain focused on my recovery because in the past I have tended to get easily demotivated and fed up. I am trying to give myself a little test each day to try to overcome my ocd. I feel quite determined at the moment that things will improve. I received a letter this morning from my employers which I suppose is not too much of a surprise because I have been signed off sick from work for 3 months.  I have told work I have OCD and depression but not the specifics. They know I am on AD’s and seeing a pshycologist. They want me to go into work and see our company nurse on 13th Jan to assess my fitness for work etc. This is something I wont be looking forward to. It will probably mean explaining why my OCD is stopping me from working at present. I dont really want to tell them about my obsessive thoughts which bother me at work, the ‘I will hurt my fellow workers’ thought and ‘I will write something obscene to customers’ thought. As I said I am only seeing the company nurse so she wont have much knowledge of OCD so she will probably think I am nuts and I dont really want anyone at my work to know about this sort of detail. If I dont go into specifics then work will probably sack me because they will think I am taking the piss. If I go into too much detail then they will probably let me go as they will think I wont be back in the near future. It will be hard to know what to say. That said the thought I returning to my job as I am at the moment fills me with terror. I just dont want to feel like I did 3 months ago so maybe if this is the start of me getting the sack it will be for the best. Take care all Lawrence

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Erik Glad it all went well. You’re success is an inspiration to us all. Lawrence "Erik" <email4e…@nospam.org

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Fresh back…  Good holidays! What a difference it makes to be around my family of origin without all the OCD stuff driving me bonkers.  (And, to think I used to think my family was crazy.  Well, they are, but not nearly the extent that I thought.)  I’m thankful everyday for Seroquel and Lexapro, but I’m also mindful of how much I missed over the last 20 years. Erik Loz wrote: Hi all I hope that you all survived the xmas and new year holidays without any drama. Hope you are all doing well. I have just started a diary so I can record my progress over the coming year. Hopefully it will help me to remain focused on my recovery because

in

the past I have tended to get easily demotivated and fed up. I am trying

to

give myself a little test each day to try to overcome my ocd. I feel

quite

determined at the moment that things will improve. I received a letter this morning from my employers which I suppose is

not

too much of a surprise because I have been signed off sick from work for

3

months.  I have told work I have OCD and depression but not the

specifics.

They know I am on AD’s and seeing a pshycologist. They want me to go

into

work and see our company nurse on 13th Jan to assess my fitness for work etc. This is something I wont be looking forward to. It will probably mean explaining why my OCD is stopping me from working

at

present. I dont really want to tell them about my obsessive thoughts

which

bother me at work, the ‘I will hurt my fellow workers’ thought and ‘I

will

write something obscene to customers’ thought. As I said I am only

seeing

the company nurse so she wont have much knowledge of OCD so she will probably think I am nuts and I dont really want anyone at my work to

know

about this sort of detail. If I dont go into specifics then work will probably sack me because they will think I am taking the piss. If I go

into

too much detail then they will probably let me go as they will think I

wont

be back in the near future. It will be hard to know what to say. That said the thought I returning to my job as I am at the moment fills

me

with terror. I just dont want to feel like I did 3 months ago so maybe

if

this is the start of me getting the sack it will be for the best. Take care all Lawrence

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AD Thanks!!! That was a wonderful post. After getting advice from a few people about how to deal with my work interview I will be taking the course of action as you outlined it. I dont want to take the risk of the details of my OCD becoming common knowledge at work. Your post also made me realise that I have to face up to my work fears. The idea of work is still very painful because I suffered in silence for about 4 years whilst working as the OCD gradually got worse and worse. It got to the point where the pain and feelings associated with my work were on my mind almost every waking moment. But as you say I have started to make progress over the last 3 months and am heading forward. At some point I have got to make the honest judgement when i feel able to cope with work again. If it doesnt work out then at least i tried. Take care Lawrence "AD" <nospample…@nospam.net

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On Sat, 03 Jan 2004 19:21:44 +0000, Loz wrote: That said the thought I returning to my job as I am at the moment fills

me

with terror. I just dont want to feel like I did 3 months ago so maybe

if

this is the start of me getting the sack it will be for the best. Hello Lawrence, My advice to you is probably something you don’t want to hear, but i am going to say it anyway.  I suggest you go ahead with the interview and speak with the nurse.  You do not in any way have to be specific with her regarding the exact nature of how your disorder manfests itself.  Just tell her that you have severe ocd, are actively pursuing treatment, and if she has any questions she should call your therapist.  The less details you give the better, because as you said, people who are unfamiliar with the disorder are judgmental and misinformed.  Instruct your therapist to only answer questions regarding the severity of your illness, not the details. Let the nurse surmise the rest on her own. Lawrence, I know the idea of going back to work frightens you, but that is precisely the reason you need to do it.  Facing fear is a large part of being able to live successfully with ocd.  Avoidance is counterproductive to your recovery.  The goal of recovery is to live a normal life with the disorder.  What happened to you three months ago is scary, but that is not your situation now, as you are undergoing treatment and learning coping skills.  You even managed to tell your family, which i realize was very hard for you to do.  Try to go back to work Lawrence, if it doesn’t work out, it doesn’t work out, but by not facing it you aren’t helping

yourself.

This journey is full of setabcks, but taking risks is the only way to free yourself from the constraints of the illness. One thing I have learned from this disorder is to face my fears head on and with power.  I go out swinging like a prize fighter every time, regardless if I am knocked out or not.  If I get knocked down, I rise like the phoenix out of the ashes and come back even more powerful than I was before.  This disorder can make you a strong resilient person if you are willing to meet it head on.  This is a fight, Lawrence.  You versus it. Don’t let it win.  Face your fears and it grows weaker. Always, AD

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Fresh back…  Good holidays! What a difference it makes to be around my family of origin without all the OCD stuff driving me bonkers.  (And, to think I used to think my family was crazy.  Well, they are, but not nearly the extent that I thought.)  I’m thankful everyday for Seroquel and Lexapro, but I’m also mindful of how much I missed over the last 20 years. Erik – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Loz wrote:

Hi all I hope that you all survived the xmas and new year holidays without any drama. Hope you are all doing well. I have just started a diary so I can record my progress over the coming year. Hopefully it will help me to remain focused on my recovery because in the past I have tended to get easily demotivated and fed up. I am trying to give myself a little test each day to try to overcome my ocd. I feel quite determined at the moment that things will improve. I received a letter this morning from my employers which I suppose is not too much of a surprise because I have been signed off sick from work for 3 months.  I have told work I have OCD and depression but not the specifics. They know I am on AD’s and seeing a pshycologist. They want me to go into work and see our company nurse on 13th Jan to assess my fitness for work etc. This is something I wont be looking forward to. It will probably mean explaining why my OCD is stopping me from working at present. I dont really want to tell them about my obsessive thoughts which bother me at work, the ‘I will hurt my fellow workers’ thought and ‘I will write something obscene to customers’ thought. As I said I am only seeing the company nurse so she wont have much knowledge of OCD so she will probably think I am nuts and I dont really want anyone at my work to know about this sort of detail. If I dont go into specifics then work will probably sack me because they will think I am taking the piss. If I go into too much detail then they will probably let me go as they will think I wont be back in the near future. It will be hard to know what to say. That said the thought I returning to my job as I am at the moment fills me with terror. I just dont want to feel like I did 3 months ago so maybe if this is the start of me getting the sack it will be for the best. Take care all Lawrence

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Thanks NK, I have decided to just tell the nurse I cant work because of the OCD and not go into details. If work want confirmation of the severity of the condition they can contact my psychologist. When I am ready for work again I will try going back part time if they let me. Take care Lawrence "No Kidding!" <nokidd…@ria.net.IF.YOU.SPAM.ME.YOU.SUCK.ROCKS

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Loz, I was terrified of starting back to work after my little "hiatus" also.

It’s

best if you can start back part-time for a few weeks if they will let you.

I

think the nurse will probably understand more than you give her credit

for.

Most of them aren’t psych experts, but all registered nurses have to do a psych rotation so they at least understand the basic concepts. I wish you luck. NK "Loz" <lawrence.whale@ntlworld-REMOVE_THIS-.com wrote in message news:VDEJb.16091$526.107756@newsfep4-glfd.server.ntli.net… Hi all I hope that you all survived the xmas and new year holidays without any drama. Hope you are all doing well. I have just started a diary so I can record my progress over the coming year. Hopefully it will help me to remain focused on my recovery because in the past I have tended to get easily demotivated and fed up. I am trying to give myself a little test each day to try to overcome my ocd. I feel

quite

determined at the moment that things will improve. I received a letter this morning from my employers which I suppose is

not

too much of a surprise because I have been signed off sick from work for

3

months.  I have told work I have OCD and depression but not the

specifics.

They know I am on AD’s and seeing a pshycologist. They want me to go

into

work and see our company nurse on 13th Jan to assess my fitness for work etc. This is something I wont be looking forward to. It will probably mean explaining why my OCD is stopping me from working

at

present. I dont really want to tell them about my obsessive thoughts

which

bother me at work, the ‘I will hurt my fellow workers’ thought and ‘I

will

write something obscene to customers’ thought. As I said I am only

seeing

the company nurse so she wont have much knowledge of OCD so she will probably think I am nuts and I dont really want anyone at my work to

know

about this sort of detail. If I dont go into specifics then work will probably sack me because they will think I am taking the piss. If I go into too much detail then they will probably let me go as they will think I wont be back in the near future. It will be hard to know what to say. That said the thought I returning to my job as I am at the moment fills

me

with terror. I just dont want to feel like I did 3 months ago so maybe

if

this is the start of me getting the sack it will be for the best. Take care all Lawrence

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Your advice to Loz reminds me of one of my favorite quotes: "The only failure is not to try" NK "AD" <nospample…@nospam.net

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On Sat, 03 Jan 2004 19:21:44 +0000, Loz wrote: That said the thought I returning to my job as I am at the moment fills

me

with terror. I just dont want to feel like I did 3 months ago so maybe

if

this is the start of me getting the sack it will be for the best. Hello Lawrence, My advice to you is probably something you don’t want to hear, but i am going to say it anyway.  I suggest you go ahead with the interview and speak with the nurse.  You do not in any way have to be specific with her regarding the exact nature of how your disorder manfests itself.  Just tell her that you have severe ocd, are actively pursuing treatment, and if she has any questions she should call your therapist.  The less details you give the better, because as you said, people who are unfamiliar with the disorder are judgmental and misinformed.  Instruct your therapist to only answer questions regarding the severity of your illness, not the details. Let the nurse surmise the rest on her own. Lawrence, I know the idea of going back to work frightens you, but that is precisely the reason you need to do it.  Facing fear is a large part of being able to live successfully with ocd.  Avoidance is counterproductive to your recovery.  The goal of recovery is to live a normal life with the disorder.  What happened to you three months ago is scary, but that is not your situation now, as you are undergoing treatment and learning coping skills.  You even managed to tell your family, which i realize was very hard for you to do.  Try to go back to work Lawrence, if it doesn’t work out, it doesn’t work out, but by not facing it you aren’t helping

yourself.

This journey is full of setabcks, but taking risks is the only way to free yourself from the constraints of the illness. One thing I have learned from this disorder is to face my fears head on and with power.  I go out swinging like a prize fighter every time, regardless if I am knocked out or not.  If I get knocked down, I rise like the phoenix out of the ashes and come back even more powerful than I was before.  This disorder can make you a strong resilient person if you are willing to meet it head on.  This is a fight, Lawrence.  You versus it. Don’t let it win.  Face your fears and it grows weaker. Always, AD

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On Sat, 03 Jan 2004 19:21:44 +0000, Loz wrote:

That said the thought I returning to my job as I am at the moment fills me with terror. I just dont want to feel like I did 3 months ago so maybe if this is the start of me getting the sack it will be for the best.

Hello Lawrence, My advice to you is probably something you don’t want to hear, but i am going to say it anyway.  I suggest you go ahead with the interview and speak with the nurse.  You do not in any way have to be specific with her regarding the exact nature of how your disorder manfests itself.  Just tell her that you have severe ocd, are actively pursuing treatment, and if she has any questions she should call your therapist.  The less details you give the better, because as you said, people who are unfamiliar with the disorder are judgmental and misinformed.  Instruct your therapist to only answer questions regarding the severity of your illness, not the details. Let the nurse surmise the rest on her own. Lawrence, I know the idea of going back to work frightens you, but that is precisely the reason you need to do it.  Facing fear is a large part of being able to live successfully with ocd.  Avoidance is counterproductive to your recovery.  The goal of recovery is to live a normal life with the disorder.  What happened to you three months ago is scary, but that is not your situation now, as you are undergoing treatment and learning coping skills.  You even managed to tell your family, which i realize was very hard for you to do.  Try to go back to work Lawrence, if it doesn’t work out, it doesn’t work out, but by not facing it you aren’t helping yourself. This journey is full of setabcks, but taking risks is the only way to free yourself from the constraints of the illness. One thing I have learned from this disorder is to face my fears head on and with power.  I go out swinging like a prize fighter every time, regardless if I am knocked out or not.  If I get knocked down, I rise like the phoenix out of the ashes and come back even more powerful than I was before.  This disorder can make you a strong resilient person if you are willing to meet it head on.  This is a fight, Lawrence.  You versus it. Don’t let it win.  Face your fears and it grows weaker. Always, AD

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Sorry about that. It’s been such a crazy couple of weeks. I’ll be back within a week. How everyone is ok. Happy New Year!!! "Loz" <lawrence.whale@ntlworld-REMOVE_THIS-.com

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Hi all I hope that you all survived the xmas and new year holidays without any drama. Hope you are all doing well. I have just started a diary so I can record my progress over the coming year. Hopefully it will help me to remain focused on my recovery because

in

the past I have tended to get easily demotivated and fed up. I am trying

to

give myself a little test each day to try to overcome my ocd. I feel quite determined at the moment that things will improve. I received a letter this morning from my employers which I suppose is not too much of a surprise because I have been signed off sick from work for 3 months.  I have told work I have OCD and depression but not the specifics. They know I am on AD’s and seeing a pshycologist. They want me to go into work and see our company nurse on 13th Jan to assess my fitness for work etc. This is something I wont be looking forward to. It will probably mean explaining why my OCD is stopping me from working at present. I dont really want to tell them about my obsessive thoughts which bother me at work, the ‘I will hurt my fellow workers’ thought and ‘I will write something obscene to customers’ thought. As I said I am only seeing the company nurse so she wont have much knowledge of OCD so she will probably think I am nuts and I dont really want anyone at my work to know about this sort of detail. If I dont go into specifics then work will probably sack me because they will think I am taking the piss. If I go

into

too much detail then they will probably let me go as they will think I

wont

be back in the near future. It will be hard to know what to say. That said the thought I returning to my job as I am at the moment fills me with terror. I just dont want to feel like I did 3 months ago so maybe if this is the start of me getting the sack it will be for the best. Take care all Lawrence

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Loz, I was terrified of starting back to work after my little "hiatus" also. It’s best if you can start back part-time for a few weeks if they will let you. I think the nurse will probably understand more than you give her credit for. Most of them aren’t psych experts, but all registered nurses have to do a psych rotation so they at least understand the basic concepts. I wish you luck. NK "Loz" <lawrence.whale@ntlworld-REMOVE_THIS-.com

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Hi all I hope that you all survived the xmas and new year holidays without any drama. Hope you are all doing well. I have just started a diary so I can record my progress over the coming year. Hopefully it will help me to remain focused on my recovery because

in

the past I have tended to get easily demotivated and fed up. I am trying

to

give myself a little test each day to try to overcome my ocd. I feel quite determined at the moment that things will improve. I received a letter this morning from my employers which I suppose is not too much of a surprise because I have been signed off sick from work for 3 months.  I have told work I have OCD and depression but not the specifics. They know I am on AD’s and seeing a pshycologist. They want me to go into work and see our company nurse on 13th Jan to assess my fitness for work etc. This is something I wont be looking forward to. It will probably mean explaining why my OCD is stopping me from working at present. I dont really want to tell them about my obsessive thoughts which bother me at work, the ‘I will hurt my fellow workers’ thought and ‘I will write something obscene to customers’ thought. As I said I am only seeing the company nurse so she wont have much knowledge of OCD so she will probably think I am nuts and I dont really want anyone at my work to know about this sort of detail. If I dont go into specifics then work will probably sack me because they will think I am taking the piss. If I go

into

too much detail then they will probably let me go as they will think I

wont

be back in the near future. It will be hard to know what to say. That said the thought I returning to my job as I am at the moment fills me with terror. I just dont want to feel like I did 3 months ago so maybe if this is the start of me getting the sack it will be for the best. Take care all Lawrence

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You can reach me off list at: email4erik "at" bellsouth.net. Same deal:  CDH starting in the 30’s. For some reason, GABA enhancers like Depokate are evil for me.  I haven’t been able to tolerate any of them.   Treating the anxiety has worked very well, but I’m always on the look out for something better. Erik – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The headaches, or more properly Chronic Daily Headache (CDH), comes from adrenaline in my system from untreated anxiety.  Beta blockers and Seroquel seem to work very well.            Dear God, Erik!  You sound a lot like me!  I had OCD as a teenager, had severe CDH from the age of 30, and have GAD now!              If you didn’t know, headache is one symptom of GAD:            When I had CDH, I noticed that I felt better when I had fever.              I’m glad you’re getting relief from Seroquel.  I took it but don’t remember how well it worked for me.              Right now, I’m on Effexor XR and Depakote.  I have no CDH, thank God!   My obsessive thinking is a lot better.  I use meditation, exercise, and PMR to deal with anxiety.  I also watch my self-talk.              I’d like a private exchange with you!  You can e-mail me. Dennis — The charter is available at:  http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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: :Here’s a curious thing that I’ve haven’t puzzled out: : :Usually during an illness, my anxiety drops to zero.   Of :course, they come back like a raging bull when I’m feeling :better, and are generally much worse for awhile.  I was just :ill for about 9 days, and now I’m getting considerable burn :threw on my anxiety symptoms and had a full blown anxiety :attack last night. : :Has anybody seen anything similar? Dear Erik, I`ve experienced this as well. I think the illness serves as a diversion. I`ve also had times when my anxiety soars when I`m sick. Usually because certain symptoms remind me too much of my anxiety symptoms. I`m sorry you weren`t feeling well and are now experiencing a increase in your anxiety. Any chance you are on antibiotics and/or OTC meds? Some can cause an increase in anxiety. I need to start levaquin for a stubborn UTI and I`m really worried it is going to exacerbate my anxiety. My medication phobia is making it quite difficult to put one in my mouth :) Take care and I hope you are doing better today! Jackie ~*~The one law that does not change is that everything changes, and the hardship I was bearing today was only a breath away from the pleasures I would have tomorrow, and those pleasures would be all the richer because of the memories of this I was enduring~*~    ~ Louis L’Amour ~ — The charter is available at:  http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – That must be so hard.   I’m glad it’s getting a little better for you though.  I used to be like that, too…when I was much younger.  What got me through it is I started really LOOKING at their eyes…their color, their shape, their eyelashes…you know, like analyzing an object of some sort. Then it became fascinating to me…and to this day, I always notice people’s eyes…and what character they hold, and how different everyone’s are…so uniquely pretty in their own way!! That sounds like a pretty good idea actually.  I’m going to *try* it… if I remember.  :-)

Well I hope (if you try it), that it makes a difference for you!  I’ve even started noticing details about my therapist’s face…in order to get through sessions.  She is an ultimate human being…and someone make look at her and not even BEGIN to see what I see.  It’s amazing what cool characteristics we all have that make us what we are!! YES, I’M A WACKO!!   LOL! I have you beat by a long stretch! Tono

Boy, I don’t know, Tono.  I think I’m quite high on the ‘wack scale’…but do ya know what?  I’m proud to be there!!!  It only makes me unique!!!! By the way, Tono…..do you know how to catch a UNIQUE RABBIT?    UNIQUE UP ON IT  !!    hehehe  nyuck nyuck nyuck LOL! Hugs, Gigglz — The charter is available at:  http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Even feeling very comfortable with my psychologist for what is getting close to two years, I still find it very difficult to maintain eye contact.  One time I laughed and she asked me what it was about.  I told her I was wondering what she thought about the fact that I can’t hold eye contact with her.  Since then, I am very aware of it, and try harder to look her in the eyes, but I seldom hold it for more than 2 or 3 seconds.  2 or 3 seconds feels like an eternity to me. Tono ((((((Tono)))))))))) That must be so hard.   I’m glad it’s getting a little better for you though.  I used to be like that, too…when I was much younger.  What got me through it is I started really LOOKING at their eyes…their color, their shape, their eyelashes…you know, like analyzing an object of some sort. Then it became fascinating to me…and to this day, I always notice people’s eyes…and what character they hold, and how different everyone’s are…so uniquely pretty in their own way!!

That sounds like a pretty good idea actually.  I’m going to *try* it… if I remember.  :-) YES, I’M A WACKO!!   LOL!

I have you beat by a long stretch! Tono — The charter is available at:  http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Wow, Erik…it’s pretty cool you were able to get past that.  How did you do it? Any tricks that can help others?  :-) I didn’t even realize that it was a problem until I started to look at the issues related to Asperger Syndrome.  I was shocked to learn that eye contact was a problem and yes, I did have that problem.  More over, that ‘normal’ people find lack of eye contact distrustful.  I started a crash course to start to maintain eye contact.

Well good for you that you were able to do it.  You sound like a persistent guy! It also came at a time in my life when I was going to ACA (Adult Children of Alcoholics), Al-Anon, and Coda (Codependents Anonymous), so I was beginning to trust people (and god), so it just seemed a natural continuation of this.   I could trust people not to hurt me by looking at them (as wierd as that sounds).  In CBT terms, I guess you could say that I challenged an irrational cognition, but I had no knowledge of CBT at that time.  Then it was just a slow process of building up both trust and tolerance. Nothing magical I’m afraid.  Just hard work. Erik

Definitely hard work.  I’m proud of you for being able to get through this. Sounds as if you busted your bum to get where you are!   Way to go, Erik! :-) Hugs, Gigglz — The charter is available at:  http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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I’m thinking of my nephew here…who seemed to change after all illness when he was young.  Now he is being treated for OCD, and Asperger’s syndrome. I thought I was an Aspie for awhile myself.  :-) OCD really tears at your personality, so developmental delays are very common.  I don’t know about your nephew, but if the anxiety is extereme, it can prevent you from holding eye contact or relating to other people.  It’s not that you don’t want to, but you’re just trying to cope.

Wow, that sounds exactly like him!!  It always makes me so sad.  He is BEYOND intelligent…probably smarter than just about everyone I know…but hasn’t the confidence, and can’t hold eye contact or relate to other people. :-( I’m sorry for you Erik…this must be so hard for you!! As for Seroquel, for me it worked immediately, so there was no 8 week trial to decide if it work or not.  Also, if you do try it, start very slow or you’ll have that drugged feel the next day.  You’ll figure out the right dose fairly quickly and when you can wean onto the next level. Thanks for the input. Erik

Thanks for your input, too :-)   I’m seriously considering taking it…since I am so sleep deprived I’m about ready to croak!   LOL! Ribbit Ribbit Ribbit!!   ;^) Hugs, Gigglz — The charter is available at:  http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – That’s weird!  Do you think the antibiotics did something to cause the headaches/anxiety?  Or are you saying they ‘went away’ after the antibiotics?  You know…I’m always confazed :-) This may sound odd, but I think it may be an autoimmune response.  The anti-biotics were for a strep infection that I was fighting.  Strep antibodies are known to trigger OCD, and I’ve had huge anxiety flareups around strep infections.    This last round has gone on for over a year now. (Google with "OCD AUTOIMMUNE PANDAS" if your curious.) Wow!   I had no idea.  I will definitely read that.   Thanks. BTW, my OCD started when I was 3 after a huge infection from a burst appendix. I’m thinking of my nephew here…who seemed to change after all illness when he was young.  Now he is being treated for OCD, and Asperger’s syndrome.

Now you have me thinking…  I forget how old I was when I got the Mumps.  Maybe around 5?  I had it very, very bad, I remember looking in the mirror and I didn’t know what was going on, I wasn’t sure if it was real.  Between the very high fever, and the way I was all swollen up, I was very confused and went to wake my mother.  I know she looked scared when she took my temperature and was then wiping me down with rubbing alcohol to cool me down.  I think the Dr. actually made a house call! He didn’t live far from us and it was on his way to the office. Anyway, that is when I first had these weird and very scary anxiety dreams.  There were no people in the dream but me and maybe an invisible bad man, I was immobilized with fear and had this feeling of constantly changing levels of fear.  I was scared and my level of being scared just kept going up and down over and over again with no warning until I woke up.  The dream repeated itself many times during that illness.  I was scared to fall asleep.  I really can’t explain it.  The really weird part is that up to my early 30’s, every time I had a bad fever, I would get the same dream.  I don’t seem to run fevers anymore, even if I’m really sick.  I don’t think I’ve had a fever over 100 for well over ten years.  Actually, when healthy, I run at about 97.8 Tono — The charter is available at:  http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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I’m glad your illness is gone, but so sorry your anxiety is back  :-( Hey!  Thanks.  I think I may be more OCD then GAD (at least that’s my diagnosis).  A number of people on the OCD ng have noticed similar observations around illness. My last round of chronic headaches and anxiety was kicked off a year ago after finishing up antibiotics. Erik

That’s weird!  Do you think the antibiotics did something to cause the headaches/anxiety?  Or are you saying they ‘went away’ after the antibiotics?  You know…I’m always confazed :-) Hugs, Gigglz — The charter is available at:  http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Erik, I’m usually more focused on my illness when I’m sick instead of my anxiety. Also, illness usually makes me very tired and it’s hard for the anxiety response to trigger rapidly when one is extremely fatigued. I think it’s perfectly normal to have lower anxiety levels while one is sick. I’ve noticed the same thing. Tony — The charter is available at:  http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Here’s a curious thing that I’ve haven’t puzzled out: Usually during an illness, my anxiety drops to zero.   Of course, they come back like a raging bull when I’m feeling better, and are generally much worse for awhile.  I was just ill for about 9 days, and now I’m getting considerable burn threw on my anxiety symptoms and had a full blown anxiety attack last night. Has anybody seen anything similar? Erik

Hi Erik, I have recently been getting over a virus and whilst I was feeling very poorly my anxiety was reasonably low. Once I started to recover, my anxiety was back with a force. I’m sure it’s to do with the fact that I was way too tired to think of anything, hence no triggers for the anxiety. I would prefer a better method of handling my anxiety though ;-) Caz.. — The charter is available at:  http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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That’s weird!  Do you think the antibiotics did something to cause the headaches/anxiety?  Or are you saying they ‘went away’ after the antibiotics?  You know…I’m always confazed :-)

This may sound odd, but I think it may be an autoimmune response.  The anti-biotics were for a strep infection that I was fighting.  Strep antibodies are known to trigger OCD, and I’ve had huge anxiety flareups around strep infections.     This last round has gone on for over a year now. (Google with "OCD AUTOIMMUNE PANDAS" if your curious.) BTW, my OCD started when I was 3 after a huge infection from a burst appendix. The headaches, or more properly Chronic Daily Headache (CDH), comes from adrenaline in my system from untreated anxiety.  Beta blockers and Seroquel seem to work very well. I found that Seroquel treats all this very effectively, but I’d love to cut off the cause a little closer to the root. Erik — The charter is available at:  http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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That’s weird!  Do you think the antibiotics did something to cause the headaches/anxiety?  Or are you saying they ‘went away’ after the antibiotics?  You know…I’m always confazed :-) This may sound odd, but I think it may be an autoimmune response.  The anti-biotics were for a strep infection that I was fighting.  Strep antibodies are known to trigger OCD, and I’ve had huge anxiety flareups around strep infections.     This last round has gone on for over a year now. (Google with "OCD AUTOIMMUNE PANDAS" if your curious.)

Wow!   I had no idea.  I will definitely read that.   Thanks. BTW, my OCD started when I was 3 after a huge infection from a burst appendix.

I’m thinking of my nephew here…who seemed to change after all illness when he was young.  Now he is being treated for OCD, and Asperger’s syndrome. The headaches, or more properly Chronic Daily Headache (CDH), comes from adrenaline in my system from untreated anxiety.  Beta blockers and Seroquel seem to work very well.

I’m glad you are able to get help! I found that Seroquel treats all this very effectively, but I’d love to cut off the cause a little closer to the root. Erik

I was recently given Seroquel to sleep at night…but I haven’t tried it as of yet. I don’t blame you for wanting to cut off the cause more closely. Good luck to you, Erik! Hugs, Gigglz — The charter is available at:  http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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I’m thinking of my nephew here…who seemed to change after all illness when he was young.  Now he is being treated for OCD, and Asperger’s syndrome.

I thought I was an Aspie for awhile myself.  :-) OCD really tears at your personality, so developmental delays are very common.  I don’t know about your nephew, but if the anxiety is extereme, it can prevent you from holding eye contact or relating to other people.  It’s not that you don’t want to, but you’re just trying to cope. As for Seroquel, for me it worked immediately, so there was no 8 week trial to decide if it work or not.  Also, if you do try it, start very slow or you’ll have that drugged feel the next day.  You’ll figure out the right dose fairly quickly and when you can wean onto the next level. Thanks for the input. Erik — The charter is available at:  http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Even feeling very comfortable with my psychologist for what is getting close to two years, I still find it very difficult to maintain eye contact.  One time I laughed and she asked me what it was about.  I told her I was wondering what she thought about the fact that I can’t hold eye contact with her.  Since then, I am very aware of it, and try harder to look her in the eyes, but I seldom hold it for more than 2 or 3 seconds.  2 or 3 seconds feels like an eternity to me. I’m near sighted, but I refused to wear glasses for most of my childhood.  It was just pure terror to look into somebody elses face, and I was hypersensitive to the most benign changes.  It’s taken about 10 years of practice, but I can now hold eye contact for an indefinite amount of time. Erik

Wow, Erik…it’s pretty cool you were able to get past that.  How did you do it? Any tricks that can help others?  :-) Hugs, Gigglz — The charter is available at:  http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Wow, Erik…it’s pretty cool you were able to get past that.  How did you do it? Any tricks that can help others?  :-)

I didn’t even realize that it was a problem until I started to look at the issues related to Asperger Syndrome.  I was shocked to learn that eye contact was a problem and yes, I did have that problem.  More over, that ‘normal’ people find lack of eye contact distrustful.  I started a crash course to start to maintain eye contact. It also came at a time in my life when I was going to ACA (Adult Children of Alcoholics), Al-Anon, and Coda (Codependents Anonymous), so I was beginning to trust people (and god), so it just seemed a natural continuation of this.   I could trust people not to hurt me by looking at them (as wierd as that sounds).  In CBT terms, I guess you could say that I challenged an irrational cognition, but I had no knowledge of CBT at that time.  Then it was just a slow process of building up both trust and tolerance. Nothing magical I’m afraid.  Just hard work. Erik — The charter is available at:  http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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The headaches, or more properly Chronic Daily Headache (CDH), comes from adrenaline in my system from untreated anxiety.  Beta blockers and Seroquel seem to work very well.

        Dear God, Erik!  You sound a lot like me!  I had OCD as a teenager, had severe CDH from the age of 30, and have GAD now!           If you didn’t know, headache is one symptom of GAD:         When I had CDH, I noticed that I felt better when I had fever.           I’m glad you’re getting relief from Seroquel.  I took it but don’t remember how well it worked for me.           Right now, I’m on Effexor XR and Depakote.  I have no CDH, thank God!   My obsessive thinking is a lot better.  I use meditation, exercise, and PMR to deal with anxiety.  I also watch my self-talk.           I’d like a private exchange with you!  You can e-mail me. Dennis — The charter is available at:  http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Wow, that sounds exactly like him!!  It always makes me so sad.  He is BEYOND intelligent…probably smarter than just about everyone I know…but hasn’t the confidence, and can’t hold eye contact or relate to other people. :-(

You may want to pass along the info.  I found some really good treatment as soon as I figured out what the core problem is. Your nephew must have great parents to figure this out at his age.  These types of things were largely ignored 30 years ago. I’m sorry for you Erik…this must be so hard for you!!

I think everybody on this group knows that life isn’t fair.    You take the bad with the good.  I’d be a different person if I didn’t have OCD, *AND* I like myself.  So, it’s not much of an issue anymore.  :-) Erik — The charter is available at:  http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – BTW, my OCD started when I was 3 after a huge infection from a burst appendix. I’m thinking of my nephew here…who seemed to change after all illness when he was young.  Now he is being treated for OCD, and Asperger’s syndrome. Now you have me thinking…  I forget how old I was when I got the Mumps.  Maybe around 5?  I had it very, very bad, I remember looking in the mirror and I didn’t know what was going on, I wasn’t sure if it was real.  Between the very high fever, and the way I was all swollen up, I was very confused and went to wake my mother.  I know she looked scared when she took my temperature and was then wiping me down with rubbing alcohol to cool me down.  I think the Dr. actually made a house call! He didn’t live far from us and it was on his way to the office. Anyway, that is when I first had these weird and very scary anxiety dreams.  There were no people in the dream but me and maybe an invisible bad man, I was immobilized with fear and had this feeling of constantly changing levels of fear.  I was scared and my level of being scared just kept going up and down over and over again with no warning until I woke up.  The dream repeated itself many times during that illness.  I was scared to fall asleep.  I really can’t explain it.  The really weird part is that up to my early 30’s, every time I had a bad fever, I would get the same dream.  I don’t seem to run fevers anymore, even if I’m really sick.  I don’t think I’ve had a fever over 100 for well over ten years.  Actually, when healthy, I run at about 97.8 Tono

That is really weird, Tono!!   Did you read that information from Erik on "OCD autoimmune pandas"? Very interesting. Hugs, Gigglz — The charter is available at:  http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m thinking of my nephew here…who seemed to change after all illness when he was young.  Now he is being treated for OCD, and Asperger’s syndrome. I thought I was an Aspie for awhile myself.  :-) OCD really tears at your personality, so developmental delays are very common.  I don’t know about your nephew, but if the anxiety is extereme, it can prevent you from holding eye contact or relating to other people.  It’s not that you don’t want to, but you’re just trying to cope. Wow, that sounds exactly like him!!  It always makes me so sad.  He is BEYOND intelligent…probably smarter than just about everyone I know…but hasn’t the confidence, and can’t hold eye contact or relate to other people. :-(

Even feeling very comfortable with my psychologist for what is getting close to two years, I still find it very difficult to maintain eye contact.  One time I laughed and she asked me what it was about.  I told her I was wondering what she thought about the fact that I can’t hold eye contact with her.  Since then, I am very aware of it, and try harder to look her in the eyes, but I seldom hold it for more than 2 or 3 seconds.  2 or 3 seconds feels like an eternity to me. Tono — The charter is available at:  http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Even feeling very comfortable with my psychologist for what is getting close to two years, I still find it very difficult to maintain eye contact.  One time I laughed and she asked me what it was about.  I told her I was wondering what she thought about the fact that I can’t hold eye contact with her.  Since then, I am very aware of it, and try harder to look her in the eyes, but I seldom hold it for more than 2 or 3 seconds.  2 or 3 seconds feels like an eternity to me.

I’m near sighted, but I refused to wear glasses for most of my childhood.  It was just pure terror to look into somebody elses face, and I was hypersensitive to the most benign changes.  It’s taken about 10 years of practice, but I can now hold eye contact for an indefinite amount of time. Erik — The charter is available at:  http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Wow, that sounds exactly like him!!  It always makes me so sad.  He is BEYOND intelligent…probably smarter than just about everyone I know…but hasn’t the confidence, and can’t hold eye contact or relate to other people. :-( You may want to pass along the info.  I found some really good treatment as soon as I figured out what the core problem is.

I definitely will!  I’m sure my sister will be extremely interested!  Thank you again! Your nephew must have great parents to figure this out at his age.  These types of things were largely ignored 30 years ago.

Yes, he does.  Very supportive.  They actually figured it out when he was in his early teens and now he is 21.  He still lives at home and has trouble working.  My sister has been a huge advocate for him.  He’s now attending some college…really struggling, but he’s doing it. I’m sorry for you Erik…this must be so hard for you!! I think everybody on this group knows that life isn’t fair.    You take the bad with the good.  I’d be a different person if I didn’t have OCD, *AND* I like myself.  So, it’s not much of an issue anymore.  :-) Erik

I can’t tell you how good it makes me feel to hear you say this!  You LIKE yourself!  The acceptance and realizing that even if you have this label attached to you…it doesn’t change WHO you are…and a mighty fine guy…I might add   :-) Hugs, Gigglz — The charter is available at:  http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m thinking of my nephew here…who seemed to change after all illness when he was young.  Now he is being treated for OCD, and Asperger’s syndrome. I thought I was an Aspie for awhile myself.  :-) OCD really tears at your personality, so developmental delays are very common.  I don’t know about your nephew, but if the anxiety is extereme, it can prevent you from holding eye contact or relating to other people.  It’s not that you don’t want to, but you’re just trying to cope. Wow, that sounds exactly like him!!  It always makes me so sad.  He is BEYOND intelligent…probably smarter than just about everyone I know…but hasn’t the confidence, and can’t hold eye contact or relate to other people. :-( Even feeling very comfortable with my psychologist for what is getting close to two years, I still find it very difficult to maintain eye contact.  One time I laughed and she asked me what it was about.  I told her I was wondering what she thought about the fact that I can’t hold eye contact with her.  Since then, I am very aware of it, and try harder to look her in the eyes, but I seldom hold it for more than 2 or 3 seconds.  2 or 3 seconds feels like an eternity to me. Tono

((((((Tono)))))))))) That must be so hard.   I’m glad it’s getting a little better for you though.  I used to be like that, too…when I was much younger.  What got me through it is I started really LOOKING at their eyes…their color, their shape, their eyelashes…you know, like analyzing an object of some sort. Then it became fascinating to me…and to this day, I always notice people’s eyes…and what character they hold, and how different everyone’s are…so uniquely pretty in their own way!! YES, I’M A WACKO!!   LOL! Hugs, Gigglz — The charter is available at:  http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Here’s a curious thing that I’ve haven’t puzzled out: Usually during an illness, my anxiety drops to zero.   Of course, they come back like a raging bull when I’m feeling better, and are generally much worse for awhile.  I was just ill for about 9 days, and now I’m getting considerable burn threw on my anxiety symptoms and had a full blown anxiety attack last night. Has anybody seen anything similar? Erik — The charter is available at:  http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Here’s a curious thing that I’ve haven’t puzzled out: Usually during an illness, my anxiety drops to zero.   Of course, they come back like a raging bull when I’m feeling better, and are generally much worse for awhile.  I was just ill for about 9 days, and now I’m getting considerable burn threw on my anxiety symptoms and had a full blown anxiety attack last night. Has anybody seen anything similar? Erik

I haven’t really noticed, Erik…but I’m wondering if it’s just that when we are sick…our focus remains on the illness and nothing else??? I’m glad your illness is gone, but so sorry your anxiety is back  :-( Hugs, Gigglz — The charter is available at:  http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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  I’m glad your illness is gone, but so sorry your anxiety is back  :-( Hey!  Thanks.  I think I may be more OCD then GAD (at least that’s my diagnosis).  A number of people on the OCD ng have noticed similar observations around illness. My last round of chronic headaches and anxiety was kicked off a year ago after finishing up antibiotics. Erik – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Here’s a curious thing that I’ve haven’t puzzled out: Usually during an illness, my anxiety drops to zero.   Of course, they come back like a raging bull when I’m feeling better, and are generally much worse for awhile.  I was just ill for about 9 days, and now I’m getting considerable burn threw on my anxiety symptoms and had a full blown anxiety attack last night. Has anybody seen anything similar? Erik I haven’t really noticed, Erik…but I’m wondering if it’s just that when we are sick…our focus remains on the illness and nothing else??? I’m glad your illness is gone, but so sorry your anxiety is back  :-( Hugs, Gigglz — The charter is available at:  http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Ok, I’m going to give this one more try.  No one has ever heard of this symptom before, but I want to know if it is ocd.  My pdoc says my dxs are ocd and depression.  I was recently switched from Risperdal to Abilify, and also take Surmontil.  The Risperdal and Surmontil worked excellently.  I switched to Abilify because of weight gain.  The Abilify was started at a low dose (10 mg) and I had this symptom again yesterday. The symptom is that I kind of leave my body and enter a kind of dream world or alternate reality.  I am no longer aware of the real world and I experience emotions like I was really experiencing it.  Is that like an obssession?  It is like an obssession in that without meds I can get stuck in and out of this for hours.  It is not like psychotic symptoms because I am not hearing voices or seeing hallucinations.  But being in an alternate reality seems a little psychotic. Other times I have my attention split between the real world and the fantasy world.  I can watch tv with part of my mind and have the fantasy with another part.  This could be more like the obssession, but this mostly happens when I am only partially well medicated.  When I am not medicated I get more into the fantasy world.  A good dose of antipsychotic makes this go away. Now when I first went to my pdoc, I looked up the diagnostic code on the bill and it turned out to be Psychotic Disorder Not Otherwise Specified.  I always get anxious when talking to her, so I never mentioned this dx, but I do ask her several times my dx and she always says ocd.  I do have some regular ocd symptoms as well, and some that are more like Body Dysmorphic Disorder. I wonder why she never mentions the psychosis, if that is what it is.  Maybe she just wrote PDNOS for the insurance because she gave me antipsychotics which are not the first line of treatment for ocd?   Actually I think she mentioned dissociation when I talked about the fantasies, but I have always heard that meds don’t fix dissociation.  Maybe I should just take the meds a nd forget about it.  I just wish I could find someone who I could relate too. Sasha

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I had these in two forms: When I was completely exhausted from lack of sleep, I would start to "time travel".  That is living in an old memory that was 20-30 years old.  It seemed so real, but it had this quality of looking at myself in a fish bowl.  Some of these memories were completely dorment for as many   years as they were old, so I don’t understant why they would suddenly reemerge. Then, about a year ago, I was having continuous migraines (with horrendous pain) for about two months.  Think of a rusty butter knife twisting in your skull and that would be about a tenth of the pain.  I started to disassociate from my body.  I honestly wonder how close to death I was because I could feel this warm white light that would free me from the pain and when I started to ‘drift’ I could feel presence of my grandparents who passed away about 2-3 years ago.  I started to meditate to live in this "light" (free of pain).  I eventually found relief from a pdoc when I asked for Seroquel.  My migraines went away as well as all my OCD symptoms including terminal insomnia.  What a relief, but in some ways I still miss the "light".  It’s completely changed my spiritual outlook on life.  It was an amazing experience and probably like some of the native american mysticism. If your inclined, you may want to develop your ‘talent’.  It could be interesting.  Not every atypical symptom is necessarily bad. I’d ask your pdoc if it bothers you.  I’m sure she’d be happy to explain.  If not, kick her in the shins for me. Erik – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Sasha wrote:

Ok, I’m going to give this one more try.  No one has ever heard of this symptom before, but I want to know if it is ocd.  My pdoc says my dxs are ocd and depression.  I was recently switched from Risperdal to Abilify, and also take Surmontil.  The Risperdal and Surmontil worked excellently.  I switched to Abilify because of weight gain.  The Abilify was started at a low dose (10 mg) and I had this symptom again yesterday. The symptom is that I kind of leave my body and enter a kind of dream world or alternate reality.  I am no longer aware of the real world and I experience emotions like I was really experiencing it.  Is that like an obssession?  It is like an obssession in that without meds I can get stuck in and out of this for hours.  It is not like psychotic symptoms because I am not hearing voices or seeing hallucinations.  But being in an alternate reality seems a little psychotic. Other times I have my attention split between the real world and the fantasy world.  I can watch tv with part of my mind and have the fantasy with another part.  This could be more like the obssession, but this mostly happens when I am only partially well medicated.  When I am not medicated I get more into the fantasy world.  A good dose of antipsychotic makes this go away. Now when I first went to my pdoc, I looked up the diagnostic code on the bill and it turned out to be Psychotic Disorder Not Otherwise Specified.  I always get anxious when talking to her, so I never mentioned this dx, but I do ask her several times my dx and she always says ocd.  I do have some regular ocd symptoms as well, and some that are more like Body Dysmorphic Disorder. I wonder why she never mentions the psychosis, if that is what it is.  Maybe she just wrote PDNOS for the insurance because she gave me antipsychotics which are not the first line of treatment for ocd?   Actually I think she mentioned dissociation when I talked about the fantasies, but I have always heard that meds don’t fix dissociation.  Maybe I should just take the meds a nd forget about it.  I just wish I could find someone who I could relate too. Sasha

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Thanks for replying.  It is good to hear of someone having a similar experience and the same group of meds helped.  My "talent" was extremely well developed already.  It started when I was about 7 or 8.  I had a whole separate fantasy life and reality.  So you say you think it is dissociation too.  I think that it may be.  It is just that it is not the normal way most people experience dissociation, even people who are really dissociative like multiples.  I did endure some child abuse (which is a common reason for dissociation but not the only) and since the problem started at such a young age, that is probably what it is.  It is just weird that the meds get rid of it, but doesn’t help some people with dissociation.  I have heard that it helps some people though.  Actually, some of the fantasies were pleasurable and I miss them.  I was never lonely or bored with the fantasies (or dissociation) but with the meds I now experience boredome and loneliness, but this has encouraged me to go out and get a real life instead of living in a fantasy world all alone, so I guess it is good.  Maybe I should try and feel special because I have this ability, but I was always feeling very alone because no one understood. Sasha "Erik" <email4e…@nospam.org

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I had these in two forms: When I was completely exhausted from lack of sleep, I would start to "time travel".  That is living in an old memory that was 20-30 years old.  It seemed so real, but it had this quality of looking at myself in a fish bowl.  Some of these memories were completely dorment for as many   years as they were old, so I don’t understant why they would suddenly reemerge. Then, about a year ago, I was having continuous migraines (with horrendous pain) for about two months.  Think of a rusty butter knife twisting in your skull and that would be about a tenth of the pain.  I started to disassociate from my body.  I honestly wonder how close to death I was because I could feel this warm white light that would free me from the pain and when I started to ‘drift’ I could feel presence of my grandparents who passed away about 2-3 years ago.  I started to meditate to live in this "light" (free of pain).  I eventually found relief from a pdoc when I asked for Seroquel.  My migraines went away as well as all my OCD symptoms including terminal insomnia.  What a relief, but in some ways I still miss the "light".  It’s completely changed my spiritual outlook on life.  It was an amazing experience and probably like some of the native american mysticism. If your inclined, you may want to develop your ‘talent’.  It could be interesting.  Not every atypical symptom is necessarily bad. I’d ask your pdoc if it bothers you.  I’m sure she’d be happy to explain.  If not, kick her in the shins for me. Erik Sasha wrote: Ok, I’m going to give this one more try.  No one has ever heard of this symptom before, but I want to know if it is ocd.  My pdoc says my dxs

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ocd and depression.  I was recently switched from Risperdal to Abilify,

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a

low dose (10 mg) and I had this symptom again yesterday. The symptom is that I kind of leave my body and enter a kind of dream

world

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stuck

in and out of this for hours.  It is not like psychotic symptoms because

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medicated I

get more into the fantasy world.  A good dose of antipsychotic makes

this go

away. Now when I first went to my pdoc, I looked up the diagnostic code on the bill and it turned out to be Psychotic Disorder Not Otherwise Specified.

I

always get anxious when talking to her, so I never mentioned this dx,

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do ask her several times my dx and she always says ocd.  I do have some regular ocd symptoms as well, and some that are more like Body

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Disorder. I wonder why she never mentions the psychosis, if that is what it is.

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always

heard that meds don’t fix dissociation.  Maybe I should just take the

meds a

nd forget about it.  I just wish I could find someone who I could relate too. Sasha

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The symptom is that I kind of leave my body and enter a kind of dream

 

world or alternate reality.  I am no longer aware of the real world

 

and I experience emotions like I was really experiencing it.

Could it be that you’re just ’spacing out’ and thinking it means more than it does? People with OCD have a tendency to make mountains out of molehills (catastrophizing) and often read stuff into things that really isn’t there (magical thinking). Or, perhaps you’re experiencing ‘derealization’ in response to stress/anxiety/whatever. Or, I don’t have a fucking clue.  

Is that like an obssession?

I seriously doubt it. — ARQ Add a dot on each side of the ‘r’ in my name and a ‘c’ in front of lara to email me.

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Sasha wrote:   The symptom is that I kind of leave my body and enter a kind of dream   world or alternate reality.  I am no longer aware of the real world   and I experience emotions like I was really experiencing it. Could it be that you’re just ’spacing out’ and thinking it means more than it does? People with OCD have a tendency to make mountains out of molehills (catastrophizing) and often read stuff into things that really isn’t there (magical thinking). Or, perhaps you’re experiencing ‘derealization’ in response to stress/anxiety/whatever. Or, I don’t have a fucking clue.

Other people have suggested this too.  The thing is that antipsychotic meds make it go away.  When I am not on antipsychotics, I can lose several hours a day to it, and at my worst most of the day.  I was quite dysfunctional because of it, so I do think it is more than just spacing out.

  Is that like an obssession? I seriously doubt it.

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Hi Sasha, Hang in there.  I’d recommend some of the 12-step support groups.  Coda, al-anon, Adult Children of Alcoholics (ACA) are all very good.  Just look up AlAnon in the white pages and usually they have a long rambling message of where to find a group. The meetings are structured which helped me quite a bit because I can feel like a bump on a log sometimes. You can also do volunteer work.  Do well by doing good…. Erik – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Sasha wrote:

Thanks for replying.  It is good to hear of someone having a similar experience and the same group of meds helped.  My "talent" was extremely well developed already.  It started when I was about 7 or 8.  I had a whole separate fantasy life and reality.  So you say you think it is dissociation too.  I think that it may be.  It is just that it is not the normal way most people experience dissociation, even people who are really dissociative like multiples.  I did endure some child abuse (which is a common reason for dissociation but not the only) and since the problem started at such a young age, that is probably what it is.  It is just weird that the meds get rid of it, but doesn’t help some people with dissociation.  I have heard that it helps some people though.  Actually, some of the fantasies were pleasurable and I miss them.  I was never lonely or bored with the fantasies (or dissociation) but with the meds I now experience boredome and loneliness, but this has encouraged me to go out and get a real life instead of living in a fantasy world all alone, so I guess it is good.  Maybe I should try and feel special because I have this ability, but I was always feeling very alone because no one understood. Sasha "Erik" <email4e…@nospam.org wrote in message news:b6c267044cfe93a7666f6d7ccb052966@news.teranews.com… I had these in two forms: When I was completely exhausted from lack of sleep, I would start to "time travel".  That is living in an old memory that was 20-30 years old.  It seemed so real, but it had this quality of looking at myself in a fish bowl.  Some of these memories were completely dorment for as many  years as they were old, so I don’t understant why they would suddenly reemerge. Then, about a year ago, I was having continuous migraines (with horrendous pain) for about two months.  Think of a rusty butter knife twisting in your skull and that would be about a tenth of the pain.  I started to disassociate from my body.  I honestly wonder how close to death I was because I could feel this warm white light that would free me from the pain and when I started to ‘drift’ I could feel presence of my grandparents who passed away about 2-3 years ago.  I started to meditate to live in this "light" (free of pain).  I eventually found relief from a pdoc when I asked for Seroquel.  My migraines went away as well as all my OCD symptoms including terminal insomnia.  What a relief, but in some ways I still miss the "light".  It’s completely changed my spiritual outlook on life.  It was an amazing experience and probably like some of the native american mysticism. If your inclined, you may want to develop your ‘talent’.  It could be interesting.  Not every atypical symptom is necessarily bad. I’d ask your pdoc if it bothers you.  I’m sure she’d be happy to explain.  If not, kick her in the shins for me. Erik Sasha wrote: Ok, I’m going to give this one more try.  No one has ever heard of this symptom before, but I want to know if it is ocd.  My pdoc says my dxs are ocd and depression.  I was recently switched from Risperdal to Abilify, and also take Surmontil.  The Risperdal and Surmontil worked excellently.  I switched to Abilify because of weight gain.  The Abilify was started at a low dose (10 mg) and I had this symptom again yesterday. The symptom is that I kind of leave my body and enter a kind of dream world or alternate reality.  I am no longer aware of the real world and I experience emotions like I was really experiencing it.  Is that like an obssession?  It is like an obssession in that without meds I can get stuck in and out of this for hours.  It is not like psychotic symptoms because I am not hearing voices or seeing hallucinations.  But being in an alternate reality seems a little psychotic. Other times I have my attention split between the real world and the fantasy world.  I can watch tv with part of my mind and have the fantasy with another part.  This could be more like the obssession, but this mostly happens when I am only partially well medicated.  When I am not medicated I get more into the fantasy world.  A good dose of antipsychotic makes this go away. Now when I first went to my pdoc, I looked up the diagnostic code on the bill and it turned out to be Psychotic Disorder Not Otherwise Specified. I always get anxious when talking to her, so I never mentioned this dx, but I do ask her several times my dx and she always says ocd.  I do have some regular ocd symptoms as well, and some that are more like Body Dysmorphic Disorder. I wonder why she never mentions the psychosis, if that is what it is. Maybe she just wrote PDNOS for the insurance because she gave me antipsychotics which are not the first line of treatment for ocd?   Actually I think she mentioned dissociation when I talked about the fantasies, but I have always heard that meds don’t fix dissociation.  Maybe I should just take the meds a nd forget about it.  I just wish I could find someone who I could relate too. Sasha

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Margrove! Seroquel?

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:Well that’s a lot longer than I planned, and I feel funny posting all :this here, but the schizo group isn’t that great, and you guys & gals :certainly are! Dear Tono, Please don`t feel funny, you are among friends. Nothing you said makes me anyways :) {{{{{Tono}}}}}

Thanks Jackie.  In addition to all the other crap, I still have GAD and P/A, so I know I am always welcome here.  You couldn’t get rid of me if you tried!  :-) Tono — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Thanks Jackie.  In addition to all the other crap, I still have GAD and P/A, so I know I am always welcome here.  You couldn’t get rid of me if you tried!  :-) Tono

Tono, all those who are nervous are welcome here. Even if you’re just a tiny bit nervous! Chip  :^) — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Sometimes your wholr style of writing makes me giggle :-) You start of in a possitive way and there you go ! guess I do that a lot?  I’ll have to try and watch myself.  It seems like I’m an expert at making myself feel worse!

Yes you can do that in the course of one posting ;-) You start of with all the nice things and there you go ! Anyway I visited at my sisters longer than I had planned.  I wasn’t feeling well and wanted to leave but I was too afraid to say I am leaving!  Well OK, eventually I did say I’m leaving.  I didn’t just sneek out the door!  :-) There!  I ended with a smile, and one more for you.  :-) Tono

Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay :-) )))))) Love from Anna — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – :Well that’s a lot longer than I planned, and I feel funny posting all :this here, but the schizo group isn’t that great, and you guys & gals :certainly are! Dear Tono, Please don`t feel funny, you are among friends. Nothing you said makes me anyways :) {{{{{Tono}}}}} Jackie ~*~Self is the only prison that can ever bind the soul~*~  ~ Henry van Dyke ~

Gladly seconded. Philip — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – you describe I can relate to. When I am really bad I allways think that I only excist in the eyes of others. I think what they think about me constantly. I don’t have this so much anymore but I sure knows it feels odd and "beside yourself" Much love from Anna Thanks Anna, besides oversleeping this morning and missing my favorite AA meeting, (I already screamed "XXX Fxxxing Damn it" as loud as I could), I’m actually doing fairly well lately.  I am dreading going to my sisters house to see my other sister who is in town for only a day. Just going to her house gives me anxiety, plus they will probably be acting strangely again with the alcohol around me, like it’s going to jump out and get me.  But that won’t be enough to keep them from drinking, they will just be weird about it.  I come from a large family, and at least half or more are alcoholics.  I’m the only one who admitted it and quit.  One did admit to me that he knows he is an alcoholic, but he doesn’t know how he could possibly live life without it. :-( :-(  Boy of boy, I sure have a way of depressing myself. Tono Sometimes your wholr style of writing makes me giggle :-) You start of in a possitive way and there you go !

I guess I do that a lot?  I’ll have to try and watch myself.  It seems like I’m an expert at making myself feel worse! Anyway I visited at my sisters longer than I had planned.  I wasn’t feeling well and wanted to leave but I was too afraid to say I am leaving!  Well OK, eventually I did say I’m leaving.  I didn’t just sneek out the door!  :-) There!  I ended with a smile, and one more for you.  :-) Tono — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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:Well that’s a lot longer than I planned, and I feel funny posting all :this here, but the schizo group isn’t that great, and you guys & gals :certainly are! Dear Tono, Please don`t feel funny, you are among friends. Nothing you said makes me anyways :) {{{{{Tono}}}}} Jackie ~*~Self is the only prison that can ever bind the soul~*~  ~ Henry van Dyke ~ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks everyone.  I guess this isn’t something that I can take when feeling bad and get quick results.  I was hoping to keep the dosage low but take more as needed.  Then again, I’m seeing a new Dr. in 11 days so the meds could change anyway. In my last shrinkette appointment, I told her more things that were just reveled to me about being on the schizo affective side.   Basically, it was about a car I owned, and how I sincerely thought it was better than any other car of the same make model and year.  It was faster, cornered better, stopped better, you name it, it was better.  I remember feeling this way, but I didn’t remember I had told my girlfriend at the time. Well I just talked to her the other day, and she remembers it quite well! Then at the shrinkettes, we got into this conversation about problems going food shopping, and she asked me what bothered me about it. Basically, I worry about everyone in the store watching me.  Did I buy something stupid? Seems to be that I always feel everyone pays attention to what I’m doing, when in fact, most people are just worried about getting their own shopping done, not watching what I put in my cart! Then she asked about other things that worry me in the same way.  I replied, if I’m mowing the lawn, I worry the neighbors might think "why did he wait so long", or "why is he cutting it already", or "why doesn’t he do it this way, or that way"?  Basically, I live my life constantly worried about what others think of me.  Driving down the highway, if someone is passing me, often I hide my cigarette so they don’t judge me for being a smoker.  If I make a few short trips from the house and back again, I worry what the neighbors think I’m doing.  Get the idea?  I feel I am constantly being judged by everyone, everywhere.  It doesn’t end. Then we got into OCD and how things have to go my way.  I told her that quite a few times I have walked out of stores, leaving a full shopping cart of items I just picked out, just because I was disgusted at the long lines and too few cashiers.  Sometimes it was anxiety, but lot’s of times I just said "fuck it", if they want to have long lines, they can put my stuff back on the shelves!  Even though I just spent a lot of time picking out all the stuff, I do it just to prove my point.  So I end up hurting myself.  Just on my way home today, I was approaching a part of the road where it narrows to one lane each direction.  I was in the right lane, and the sign said "left lane ends".  This girl stayed aside of me, just a little behind and on my left.  She stayed there, blowing the horn driving in the yellow caution lines, until she was almost at the point of going the wrong way down the two lane road.  I was in the right, she was slightly behind me and should have slowed down and moved to the right lane.  After backing off, she just kept shooting me the finger. :-)   I was laughing and I waved to her, yet I was shaking at the same time.  Then when it was two lanes again, she passed me, I smiled and waved, she shot me the bird again. :-)  When we got to a long red light, I couldn’t help getting out of the truck and running up to her and kindly told her that she should read the sign, I had the right of way, not her.  She just said "Oh, Ok".  I felt good, I proved my point (well hopefully next time she will read the sign).  But then I had to turn off where I didn’t want to, just so she wouldn’t think I was following her.  (sigh) Well that’s a lot longer than I planned, and I feel funny posting all this here, but the schizo group isn’t that great, and you guys & gals certainly are! Tono you describe I can relate to. When I am really bad I allways think that I only excist in the eyes of others. I think what they think about me constantly. I don’t have this so much anymore but I sure knows it feels odd and "beside yourself" Much love from Anna Thanks Anna, besides oversleeping this morning and missing my favorite AA meeting, (I already screamed "XXX Fxxxing Damn it" as loud as I could), I’m actually doing fairly well lately.  I am dreading going to my sisters house to see my other sister who is in town for only a day. Just going to her house gives me anxiety, plus they will probably be acting strangely again with the alcohol around me, like it’s going to jump out and get me.  But that won’t be enough to keep them from drinking, they will just be weird about it.  I come from a large family, and at least half or more are alcoholics.  I’m the only one who admitted it and quit.  One did admit to me that he knows he is an alcoholic, but he doesn’t know how he could possibly live life without it. :-( :-(  Boy of boy, I sure have a way of depressing myself. Tono

Sometimes your wholr style of writing makes me giggle :-) You start of in a possitive way and there you go ! i hope you keep feeling proud about not drinking it is quit an achievement love from Anna — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks everyone.  I guess this isn’t something that I can take when feeling bad and get quick results.  I was hoping to keep the dosage low but take more as needed.  Then again, I’m seeing a new Dr. in 11 days so the meds could change anyway. In my last shrinkette appointment, I told her more things that were just reveled to me about being on the schizo affective side. Basically, it was about a car I owned, and how I sincerely thought it was better than any other car of the same make model and year.  It was faster, cornered better, stopped better, you name it, it was better. I remember feeling this way, but I didn’t remember I had told my girlfriend at the time. Well I just talked to her the other day, and she remembers it quite well! Then at the shrinkettes, we got into this conversation about problems going food shopping, and she asked me what bothered me about it. Basically, I worry about everyone in the store watching me.  Did I buy something stupid? Seems to be that I always feel everyone pays attention to what I’m doing, when in fact, most people are just worried about getting their own shopping done, not watching what I put in my cart! Then she asked about other things that worry me in the same way.  I replied, if I’m mowing the lawn, I worry the neighbors might think "why did he wait so long", or "why is he cutting it already", or "why doesn’t he do it this way, or that way"?  Basically, I live my life constantly worried about what others think of me.  Driving down the highway, if someone is passing me, often I hide my cigarette so they don’t judge me for being a smoker.  If I make a few short trips from the house and back again, I worry what the neighbors think I’m doing. Get the idea?  I feel I am constantly being judged by everyone, everywhere.  It doesn’t end. Then we got into OCD and how things have to go my way.  I told her that quite a few times I have walked out of stores, leaving a full shopping cart of items I just picked out, just because I was disgusted at the long lines and too few cashiers.  Sometimes it was anxiety, but lot’s of times I just said "fuck it", if they want to have long lines, they can put my stuff back on the shelves!  Even though I just spent a lot of time picking out all the stuff, I do it just to prove my point.  So I end up hurting myself.  Just on my way home today, I was approaching a part of the road where it narrows to one lane each direction.  I was in the right lane, and the sign said "left lane ends".  This girl stayed aside of me, just a little behind and on my left.  She stayed there, blowing the horn driving in the yellow caution lines, until she was almost at the point of going the wrong way down the two lane road.  I was in the right, she was slightly behind me and should have slowed down and moved to the right lane. After backing off, she just kept shooting me the finger. :-)  I was laughing and I waved to her, yet I was shaking at the same time.  Then when it was two lanes again, she passed me, I smiled and waved, she shot me the bird again. :-)  When we got to a long red light, I couldn’t help getting out of the truck and running up to her and kindly told her that she should read the sign, I had the right of way, not her.  She just said "Oh, Ok".  I felt good, I proved my point (well hopefully next time she will read the sign).  But then I had to turn off where I didn’t want to, just so she wouldn’t think I was following her.  (sigh) Well that’s a lot longer than I planned, and I feel funny posting all this here, but the schizo group isn’t that great, and you guys & gals certainly are! Tono you describe I can relate to. When I am really bad I allways think that I only excist in the eyes of others. I think what they think about me constantly. I don’t have this so much anymore but I sure knows it feels odd and "beside yourself" Much love from Anna Thanks Anna, besides oversleeping this morning and missing my favorite AA meeting, (I already screamed "XXX Fxxxing Damn it" as loud as I could), I’m actually doing fairly well lately.  I am dreading going to my sisters house to see my other sister who is in town for only a day. Just going to her house gives me anxiety, plus they will probably be acting strangely again with the alcohol around me, like it’s going to jump out and get me.  But that won’t be enough to keep them from drinking, they will just be weird about it.  I come from a large family, and at least half or more are alcoholics.  I’m the only one who admitted it and quit.  One did admit to me that he knows he is an alcoholic, but he doesn’t know how he could possibly live life without it. :-( :-(  Boy of boy, I sure have a way of depressing myself. Tono

But Tono, Look how strong you are in comparison. You did quit. love Meryl — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Does seroquel go directly to the blood stream or does it have to be metabolized or what ever it is you call it.  What I’m actually asking is, will leaving it under your tounge make it work faster? Tono — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Does seroquel go directly to the blood stream or does it have to be metabolized or what ever it is you call it.  What I’m actually asking is, will leaving it under your tounge make it work faster? Tono

 sent a much longer message last night -why it didn’t show up is beyond me simple answer-swallowing them works better-they are a cumulative type med and also not desisgned for sublingual use — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Does seroquel go directly to the blood stream simple answer-swallowing them works better-they are a cumulative type med and also not desisgned for sublingual use

LM, how long does it take for Seroquel to start working?  Days or weeks? Chip — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Does seroquel go directly to the blood stream or does it have to be metabolized or what ever it is you call it.  What I’m actually asking is, will leaving it under your tounge make it work faster? Tono

Hi I haven’t taken this drug myself but I’ll paste you the information I have from my text on Psyciatric Drugs, basically it looks like its metabolized by your liver so I wouldn’t put it under my tongue. Quetiapine (Seroquel) Class: Dibenzothiazepine Mechanism: Quetiapine (Seroquel) is an antagonist at the serotonin-2A, dopamine-2, alpha-1 and 2, and histamine-1 receptors Preparations: 25 mg, 100 mg, and 200 mg tablets Dosage: Initial dosage: 25-50 mg bid, increased by 25-50 mg every 1 to 3 days to a total daily dose of 300-400 mg. Maintenance: Required daily dose can range between 150-750 mg Elderly: Clearance is reduced by 40% in elderly, dosage should be reduced in this population Therapeutic Level: Not established. Metabolism: Half-life is 6 hours, hepatic metabolism (P450 3A4), no active metabolites. Low potential for drug interactions. Side Effect Profile: Orthostatic hypotension may occur during initial dose titration due to alpha-blockade. Somnolence and weight gain may occur due to H1 blockade. Dyspepsia, abdominal pain, and dry mouth may also occur. Clinical Guidelines: May be effective for primary negative symptoms of schizophrenia. Minimal weight gain. Well tolerated. No anticholinergic side effects. Very low incidence of EPS. No sustained elevation of prolactin. Requires bid or tid dosing. — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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it looks like its metabolized by your liver so I wouldn’t put it under my

tongue. Why not? Chip — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Does seroquel go directly to the blood stream simple answer-swallowing them works better-they are a cumulative type med and also not desisgned for sublingual use LM, how long does it take for Seroquel to start working?  Days or weeks? Chip

it takes about 2 days to reach efective blood and tissue levels and about a week to stabilize per dose-the titration can be ramped up a bit to expediate it LM — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does seroquel go directly to the blood stream simple answer-swallowing them works better-they are a cumulative type med and also not desisgned for sublingual use LM, how long does it take for Seroquel to start working?  Days or weeks? Chip it takes about 2 days to reach efective blood and tissue levels and about a week to stabilize per dose-the titration can be ramped up a bit to expediate it LM

Thanks everyone.  I guess this isn’t something that I can take when feeling bad and get quick results.  I was hoping to keep the dosage low but take more as needed.  Then again, I’m seeing a new Dr. in 11 days so the meds could change anyway. In my last shrinkette appointment, I told her more things that were just reveled to me about being on the schizo affective side.  Basically, it was about a car I owned, and how I sincerely thought it was better than any other car of the same make model and year.  It was faster, cornered better, stopped better, you name it, it was better.  I remember feeling this way, but I didn’t remember I had told my girlfriend at the time. Well I just talked to her the other day, and she remembers it quite well! Then at the shrinkettes, we got into this conversation about problems going food shopping, and she asked me what bothered me about it. Basically, I worry about everyone in the store watching me.  Did I buy something stupid? Seems to be that I always feel everyone pays attention to what I’m doing, when in fact, most people are just worried about getting their own shopping done, not watching what I put in my cart! Then she asked about other things that worry me in the same way.  I replied, if I’m mowing the lawn, I worry the neighbors might think "why did he wait so long", or "why is he cutting it already", or "why doesn’t he do it this way, or that way"?  Basically, I live my life constantly worried about what others think of me.  Driving down the highway, if someone is passing me, often I hide my cigarette so they don’t judge me for being a smoker.  If I make a few short trips from the house and back again, I worry what the neighbors think I’m doing.  Get the idea?  I feel I am constantly being judged by everyone, everywhere.  It doesn’t end. Then we got into OCD and how things have to go my way.  I told her that quite a few times I have walked out of stores, leaving a full shopping cart of items I just picked out, just because I was disgusted at the long lines and too few cashiers.  Sometimes it was anxiety, but lot’s of times I just said "fuck it", if they want to have long lines, they can put my stuff back on the shelves!  Even though I just spent a lot of time picking out all the stuff, I do it just to prove my point.  So I end up hurting myself.  Just on my way home today, I was approaching a part of the road where it narrows to one lane each direction.  I was in the right lane, and the sign said "left lane ends".  This girl stayed aside of me, just a little behind and on my left.  She stayed there, blowing the horn driving in the yellow caution lines, until she was almost at the point of going the wrong way down the two lane road.  I was in the right, she was slightly behind me and should have slowed down and moved to the right lane.  After backing off, she just kept shooting me the finger. :-)  I was laughing and I waved to her, yet I was shaking at the same time.  Then when it was two lanes again, she passed me, I smiled and waved, she shot me the bird again. :-)  When we got to a long red light, I couldn’t help getting out of the truck and running up to her and kindly told her that she should read the sign, I had the right of way, not her.  She just said "Oh, Ok".  I felt good, I proved my point (well hopefully next time she will read the sign).  But then I had to turn off where I didn’t want to, just so she wouldn’t think I was following her.  (sigh) Well that’s a lot longer than I planned, and I feel funny posting all this here, but the schizo group isn’t that great, and you guys & gals certainly are! Tono — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Does seroquel go directly to the blood stream or does it have to be metabolized or what ever it is you call it.  What I’m actually asking is, will leaving it under your tounge make it work faster? Tono

  seroquel is a dose accumulative action drug-that means you need an accumulated amount of it in serum and brain tissue for it to work effectively. It takes about 2 days to acheive this and possibly up to a week to really get a clear clinical picture as to what it does. The average half life of the active compound is 6 hours with about an hour and a half peak seruum level after taking a pill. So faster administration is highly unlikely to change its effectivenss in antagonising or blocking dopamine and serotonin reuptake in brain tissue. It just doesn’t work like a benzo. Many drugs can be absorbed by sublingual dissolution but some don;t because of many factors ranging from the enzymes in saliva the buffers in the drugs compounding, the stability of the drug and the salts and esters that are used to bind the drug to active chemicals that allow cells to absorb it or the digestive tract to metabolise it. This drug is almost extensively metabolised by your liver which means it makes a few passes through it to use it all up-swallowing it would be the prefered method of administration. Placing it under your tongue would serve no purpose, speed of action, or proper breakdown of the drug unless you dissolve it and swallow it-which is the same as chewing one and eating it-yechh. Some benzos like xanax work a bit quicker under the tongue, but much of the "dose" is actually not used as completely or effectively as is when it is swallowed. drinking lots of water would speed up the breakdown of your med as would taking it on an empty stomach-but by how much-who knows LM — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does seroquel go directly to the blood stream simple answer-swallowing them works better-they are a cumulative type med and also not desisgned for sublingual use LM, how long does it take for Seroquel to start working?  Days or weeks? Chip it takes about 2 days to reach efective blood and tissue levels and about a week to stabilize per dose-the titration can be ramped up a bit to expediate it LM Thanks everyone.  I guess this isn’t something that I can take when feeling bad and get quick results.  I was hoping to keep the dosage low but take more as needed.  Then again, I’m seeing a new Dr. in 11 days so the meds could change anyway. In my last shrinkette appointment, I told her more things that were just reveled to me about being on the schizo affective side.  Basically, it was about a car I owned, and how I sincerely thought it was better than any other car of the same make model and year.  It was faster, cornered better, stopped better, you name it, it was better.  I remember feeling this way, but I didn’t remember I had told my girlfriend at the time. Well I just talked to her the other day, and she remembers it quite well! Then at the shrinkettes, we got into this conversation about problems going food shopping, and she asked me what bothered me about it. Basically, I worry about everyone in the store watching me.  Did I buy something stupid? Seems to be that I always feel everyone pays attention to what I’m doing, when in fact, most people are just worried about getting their own shopping done, not watching what I put in my cart! Then she asked about other things that worry me in the same way.  I replied, if I’m mowing the lawn, I worry the neighbors might think "why did he wait so long", or "why is he cutting it already", or "why doesn’t he do it this way, or that way"?  Basically, I live my life constantly worried about what others think of me.  Driving down the highway, if someone is passing me, often I hide my cigarette so they don’t judge me for being a smoker.  If I make a few short trips from the house and back again, I worry what the neighbors think I’m doing.  Get the idea?  I feel I am constantly being judged by everyone, everywhere.  It doesn’t end. Then we got into OCD and how things have to go my way.  I told her that quite a few times I have walked out of stores, leaving a full shopping cart of items I just picked out, just because I was disgusted at the long lines and too few cashiers.  Sometimes it was anxiety, but lot’s of times I just said "fuck it", if they want to have long lines, they can put my stuff back on the shelves!  Even though I just spent a lot of time picking out all the stuff, I do it just to prove my point.  So I end up hurting myself.  Just on my way home today, I was approaching a part of the road where it narrows to one lane each direction.  I was in the right lane, and the sign said "left lane ends".  This girl stayed aside of me, just a little behind and on my left.  She stayed there, blowing the horn driving in the yellow caution lines, until she was almost at the point of going the wrong way down the two lane road.  I was in the right, she was slightly behind me and should have slowed down and moved to the right lane.  After backing off, she just kept shooting me the finger. :-)  I was laughing and I waved to her, yet I was shaking at the same time.  Then when it was two lanes again, she passed me, I smiled and waved, she shot me the bird again. :-)  When we got to a long red light, I couldn’t help getting out of the truck and running up to her and kindly told her that she should read the sign, I had the right of way, not her.  She just said "Oh, Ok".  I felt good, I proved my point (well hopefully next time she will read the sign).  But then I had to turn off where I didn’t want to, just so she wouldn’t think I was following her.  (sigh) Well that’s a lot longer than I planned, and I feel funny posting all this here, but the schizo group isn’t that great, and you guys & gals certainly are! Tono

most important is what she replied to this-the type of wiring problem you have can be accomodated to with the proper type of therapy-it requires restructuring the way you process information and the beliefs you hold about the things you process-medicating the symptoms away often tends to medicate the person away at the same time-an effective dose would enable you to detune some of the mental static but the ideas you have and the beliefs you have and hold about those ideas is a continuous cognitive and active process that is much more important to deal with-this is the long term method of dealing with some silly thoughts and acting out because of them. Seroquel is a great med, but I have maintained for some time is not the best for you. Hopefully your new doc will concur and take action LM — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks everyone.  I guess this isn’t something that I can take when feeling bad and get quick results.  I was hoping to keep the dosage low but take more as needed.  Then again, I’m seeing a new Dr. in 11 days so the meds could change anyway. In my last shrinkette appointment, I told her more things that were just reveled to me about being on the schizo affective side.   Basically, it was about a car I owned, and how I sincerely thought it was better than any other car of the same make model and year.  It was faster, cornered better, stopped better, you name it, it was better.   I remember feeling this way, but I didn’t remember I had told my girlfriend at the time. Well I just talked to her the other day, and she remembers it quite well! Then at the shrinkettes, we got into this conversation about problems going food shopping, and she asked me what bothered me about it. Basically, I worry about everyone in the store watching me.  Did I buy something stupid? Seems to be that I always feel everyone pays attention to what I’m doing, when in fact, most people are just worried about getting their own shopping done, not watching what I put in my cart! Then she asked about other things that worry me in the same way.  I replied, if I’m mowing the lawn, I worry the neighbors might think "why did he wait so long", or "why is he cutting it already", or "why doesn’t he do it this way, or that way"?  Basically, I live my life constantly worried about what others think of me.  Driving down the highway, if someone is passing me, often I hide my cigarette so they don’t judge me for being a smoker.  If I make a few short trips from the house and back again, I worry what the neighbors think I’m doing.   Get the idea?  I feel I am constantly being judged by everyone, everywhere.  It doesn’t end. Then we got into OCD and how things have to go my way.  I told her that quite a few times I have walked out of stores, leaving a full shopping cart of items I just picked out, just because I was disgusted at the long lines and too few cashiers.  Sometimes it was anxiety, but lot’s of times I just said "fuck it", if they want to have long lines, they can put my stuff back on the shelves!  Even though I just spent a lot of time picking out all the stuff, I do it just to prove my point.  So I end up hurting myself.  Just on my way home today, I was approaching a part of the road where it narrows to one lane each direction.  I was in the right lane, and the sign said "left lane ends".  This girl stayed aside of me, just a little behind and on my left.  She stayed there, blowing the horn driving in the yellow caution lines, until she was almost at the point of going the wrong way down the two lane road.  I was in the right, she was slightly behind me and should have slowed down and moved to the right lane.   After backing off, she just kept shooting me the finger. :-)  I was laughing and I waved to her, yet I was shaking at the same time.  Then when it was two lanes again, she passed me, I smiled and waved, she shot me the bird again. :-)  When we got to a long red light, I couldn’t help getting out of the truck and running up to her and kindly told her that she should read the sign, I had the right of way, not her.  She just said "Oh, Ok".  I felt good, I proved my point (well hopefully next time she will read the sign).  But then I had to turn off where I didn’t want to, just so she wouldn’t think I was following her.  (sigh) Well that’s a lot longer than I planned, and I feel funny posting all this here, but the schizo group isn’t that great, and you guys & gals certainly are! Tono you describe I can relate to. When I am really bad I allways think that I only excist in the eyes of others. I think what they think about me constantly. I don’t have this so much anymore but I sure knows it feels odd and "beside yourself" Much love from Anna

Thanks Anna, besides oversleeping this morning and missing my favorite AA meeting, (I already screamed "XXX Fxxxing Damn it" as loud as I could), I’m actually doing fairly well lately.  I am dreading going to my sisters house to see my other sister who is in town for only a day. Just going to her house gives me anxiety, plus they will probably be acting strangely again with the alcohol around me, like it’s going to jump out and get me.  But that won’t be enough to keep them from drinking, they will just be weird about it.  I come from a large family, and at least half or more are alcoholics.  I’m the only one who admitted it and quit.  One did admit to me that he knows he is an alcoholic, but he doesn’t know how he could possibly live life without it. :-( :-(  Boy of boy, I sure have a way of depressing myself. Tono — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks everyone.  I guess this isn’t something that I can take when feeling bad and get quick results.  I was hoping to keep the dosage low but take more as needed.  Then again, I’m seeing a new Dr. in 11 days so the meds could change anyway. In my last shrinkette appointment, I told her more things that were just reveled to me about being on the schizo affective side.  Basically, it was about a car I owned, and how I sincerely thought it was better than any other car of the same make model and year.  It was faster, cornered better, stopped better, you name it, it was better.  I remember feeling this way, but I didn’t remember I had told my girlfriend at the time. Well I just talked to her the other day, and she remembers it quite well! Then at the shrinkettes, we got into this conversation about problems going food shopping, and she asked me what bothered me about it. Basically, I worry about everyone in the store watching me.  Did I buy something stupid? Seems to be that I always feel everyone pays attention to what I’m doing, when in fact, most people are just worried about getting their own shopping done, not watching what I put in my cart! Then she asked about other things that worry me in the same way.  I replied, if I’m mowing the lawn, I worry the neighbors might think "why did he wait so long", or "why is he cutting it already", or "why doesn’t he do it this way, or that way"?  Basically, I live my life constantly worried about what others think of me.  Driving down the highway, if someone is passing me, often I hide my cigarette so they don’t judge me for being a smoker.  If I make a few short trips from the house and back again, I worry what the neighbors think I’m doing.  Get the idea?  I feel I am constantly being judged by everyone, everywhere.  It doesn’t end. Then we got into OCD and how things have to go my way.  I told her that quite a few times I have walked out of stores, leaving a full shopping cart of items I just picked out, just because I was disgusted at the long lines and too few cashiers.  Sometimes it was anxiety, but lot’s of times I just said "fuck it", if they want to have long lines, they can put my stuff back on the shelves!  Even though I just spent a lot of time picking out all the stuff, I do it just to prove my point.  So I end up hurting myself.  Just on my way home today, I was approaching a part of the road where it narrows to one lane each direction.  I was in the right lane, and the sign said "left lane ends".  This girl stayed aside of me, just a little behind and on my left.  She stayed there, blowing the horn driving in the yellow caution lines, until she was almost at the point of going the wrong way down the two lane road.  I was in the right, she was slightly behind me and should have slowed down and moved to the right lane.  After backing off, she just kept shooting me the finger. :-)  I was laughing and I waved to her, yet I was shaking at the same time.  Then when it was two lanes again, she passed me, I smiled and waved, she shot me the bird again. :-)  When we got to a long red light, I couldn’t help getting out of the truck and running up to her and kindly told her that she should read the sign, I had the right of way, not her.  She just said "Oh, Ok".  I felt good, I proved my point (well hopefully next time she will read the sign).  But then I had to turn off where I didn’t want to, just so she wouldn’t think I was following her.  (sigh) Well that’s a lot longer than I planned, and I feel funny posting all this here, but the schizo group isn’t that great, and you guys & gals certainly are! Tono

you describe I can relate to. When I am really bad I allways think that I only excist in the eyes of others. I think what they think about me constantly. I don’t have this so much anymore but I sure knows it feels odd and "beside yourself" Much love from Anna — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Some benzos like xanax work a bit quicker under the tongue, but much of the "dose" is actually not used as completely or effectively as is when it is swallowed.

I didn’t know that. So much to learn. Thanks LM, love Meryl — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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REAL work from home job! LOOK :)

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You only call people that have expressed interest in the medical discount card.

How many people in ASAP expressed an interest before you started spamming the group?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – No David it is in no way anything like a pyramid scam.  The only reason you think this is because I am offering all of you the same job I am doing which I admit does look like a pyramid but really it is not. You do not have to email people.  You can call them too.  It is not cold calls.  You only call people that have expressed interest in the medical discount card.  Then you call them back and ask if they are still interested and sign them up.  It is that easy. If you work the phones you are not offering people the work from home part of it but rather just the medical card. And you asked why would they have me email people when they could do it their self well the simple fact is that I do not just email.  I call people as well and follow up and it does take time and effort and it is not a job a computer could do. Secondly you say why would they pay me to do it when "they" could.  Who is "they"?  I AM "they"  :)  You see yes they could hire people to sit around an office and call people back and take calls and email people but then "they" would still be paying people to do it and on top of that they would have to be renting an office complex to house all these people and all the workers would want full benefits and retirement plans and so on.  This way they do not need to rent a big office space to house all the call takers and email reps and most people that work from home do not ask for retirement plans and benefits so it is all around better for them. But I do assure you "they" do pay me for my efforts and would be happy to pay you all as well. Does that make sense?  IF you have any other questions or concerns I will try to answer them to the best of my knowledge.

Dustin, I understand the program perfectly.  It is the definition of a pyramid scheme.  Someone recruited you, you make money by recruiting more people and selling things.  That IS exactly what a pyramid scheme is all about. And I noticed that you completely avoided the issue I brought up about drug costs and any real or imagined savings. — David Chamberlain http://dchamberlain1.tripod.com/ — Build a man a fire and he’ll be warm for a day.  Set a man on fire and he’ll be warm for the rest of his life      – Terry Pratchett

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – No David it is in no way anything like a pyramid scam.  The only reason you think this is because I am offering all of you the same job I am doing which I admit does look like a pyramid but really it is not. You do not have to email people.  You can call them too.  It is not cold calls.  You only call people that have expressed interest in the medical discount card.  Then you call them back and ask if they are still interested and sign them up.  It is that easy. If you work the phones you are not offering people the work from home part of it but rather just the medical card. And you asked why would they have me email people when they could do it their self well the simple fact is that I do not just email.  I call people as well and follow up and it does take time and effort and it is not a job a computer could do. Secondly you say why would they pay me to do it when "they" could.  Who is "they"?  I AM "they"  :)  You see yes they could hire people to sit around an office and call people back and take calls and email people but then "they" would still be paying people to do it and on top of that they would have to be renting an office complex to house all these people and all the workers would want full benefits and retirement plans and so on.  This way they do not need to rent a big office space to house all the call takers and email reps and most people that work from home do not ask for retirement plans and benefits so it is all around better for them. But I do assure you "they" do pay me for my efforts and would be happy to pay you all as well. Does that make sense?  IF you have any other questions or concerns I will try to answer them to the best of my knowledge.

http://www.yourdiscountsite.com/SCAM_SLAM/Opportunities_Examined/Proc… — David Chamberlain http://dchamberlain1.tripod.com/ — Build a man a fire and he’ll be warm for a day.  Set a man on fire and he’ll be warm for the rest of his life      – Terry Pratchett

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You only call people that have expressed interest in the medical discount card. How many people in ASAP expressed an interest before you started spamming the group?

About 15 people boB.  Any other questions?

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Okay.  What that article said is true for the most part though some of it is taken out of context and whoever the guy spoke with must have been a secretary with no knowledge of the plan but anyway hey it is no big deal.  I am not trying to convince people here. I just enjoy making money from home with minimal effort and having the bonus of a medical discount plan.  No big deal though I will drop it and stop responding in this thread. Late

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Hi Dustin, I know your intentions are good but please be careful. It sounds worrying to me. love Meryl

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Okay.  What that article said is true for the most part though some of it is taken out of context and whoever the guy spoke with must have been a secretary with no knowledge of the plan but anyway hey it is no big deal. I am not trying to convince people here. I just enjoy making money from home with minimal effort and having the bonus of a medical discount plan.  No big deal though I will drop it and stop responding in this thread. Late

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You only call people that have expressed interest in the medical discount card. How many people in ASAP expressed an interest before you started spamming the group? About 15 people boB.  Any other questions?

Fifteen! That pretty good. Maybe this new career as a spammer is going to work out for you after all Dustin.

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Hi Dustin, I know your intentions are good but please be careful. It sounds worrying to me. love Meryl

Thank you Meryl but no need to worry.  I checked them out in full and their 15 year standing with the BBB.  They are 100 % legit.   I thank you for your concern though  :) All I know is I make money with them and it is easy.  Works for me! Take care!

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Below are the pharmacies within 5 miles of the zip code 18944.  Call them and inquire about Pro Card International.  Let me know if you have any further questions.

Dustin, I called the pharmacy’s you listed.  None of them could give me a price unless I had the prescription card already.  One place said they recently dropped that card. Called a few numbers on the web page, including the prescription one. They were unable to tell me the price of a prescription unless I was a member!  They told my that through their mail order I can get a price, so I called there too.  They told me to send them an email with my request, they will not do it verbally!?  I also have a price request to the main support at procardinternational.com What a run-around!  I can’t see asking for someone to pay for a service, before they can tell the the actual price you will pay for your prescription under their program!  If it’s so great, I would think they would be happy as hell to give me that information so I sign up right away.  But so far after about ten phone calls, and 45 minutes, it’s still a mystery.  I’ll let you know if they give me a price quote from either of the two emails I sent, and how it compares to my current prices. Tono

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Dustin, I just replied to the second email I received telling me to ask the pharmacy the price.  And this is after I told procard that I am not a member yet and the pharmacy can’t give me a price until I have a membership number!  They just keep giving me the same reply. Since you are a member, could you do me a favor and see what the drugs I mentioned would cost you?  You don’t have to buy them, just ask, since you have a membership.  I’d really appreciate it!  I spend a hell of a lot on prescriptions, and if this can save me some money, I’d be interested.  But I’m not paying them a cent until I know what I am going to receive in return. Tono

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dustin, I just replied to the second email I received telling me to ask the pharmacy the price.  And this is after I told procard that I am not a member yet and the pharmacy can’t give me a price until I have a membership number!  They just keep giving me the same reply. Since you are a member, could you do me a favor and see what the drugs I mentioned would cost you?  You don’t have to buy them, just ask, since you have a membership.  I’d really appreciate it!  I spend a hell of a lot on prescriptions, and if this can save me some money, I’d be interested.  But I’m not paying them a cent until I know what I am going to receive in return. Tono

Dustin, Did you happen to check what the price would be if you bought it?  Their online price for Seroquel, 25mg, 150tabs, is $208.39  I don’t know if that included shipping and handling, so it might be more.  My local pharmacy is $205.10, and if I travel 10 miles to KMart or Wal-Mart, it’s about $25 cheaper than the ProCard price, and no monthly fee! I don’t mean to bust your balls over this, it’s just that if it sounds too good to be true, it usually is. Tono

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when i have to pay for my meds, i found drugstore.com to be the cheapest… YMMV brian s.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dustin, I just replied to the second email I received telling me to ask the pharmacy the price.  And this is after I told procard that I am not a member yet and the pharmacy can’t give me a price until I have a membership number!  They just keep giving me the same reply. Since you are a member, could you do me a favor and see what the drugs I mentioned would cost you?  You don’t have to buy them, just ask, since you have a membership.  I’d really appreciate it!  I spend a hell of a lot on prescriptions, and if this can save me some money, I’d be interested.  But I’m not paying them a cent until I know what I am going to receive in return. Tono Dustin, Did you happen to check what the price would be if you bought it?  Their online price for Seroquel, 25mg, 150tabs, is $208.39  I don’t know if that included shipping and handling, so it might be more.  My local pharmacy is $205.10, and if I travel 10 miles to KMart or Wal-Mart, it’s about $25 cheaper than the ProCard price, and no monthly fee! I don’t mean to bust your balls over this, it’s just that if it sounds too good to be true, it usually is. Tono

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No David it is in no way anything like a pyramid scam.  The only reason you think this is because I am offering all of you the same job I am doing which I admit does look like a pyramid but really it is not. You do not have to email people.  You can call them too.  It is not cold calls.  You only call people that have expressed interest in the medical discount card.  Then you call them back and ask if they are still interested and sign them up.  It is that easy. If you work the phones you are not offering people the work from home part of it but rather just the medical card. And you asked why would they have me email people when they could do it their self well the simple fact is that I do not just email.  I call people as well and follow up and it does take time and effort and it is not a job a computer could do. Secondly you say why would they pay me to do it when "they" could.  Who is "they"?  I AM "they"  :)  You see yes they could hire people to sit around an office and call people back and take calls and email people but then "they" would still be paying people to do it and on top of that they would have to be renting an office complex to house all these people and all the workers would want full benefits and retirement plans and so on.  This way they do not need to rent a big office space to house all the call takers and email reps and most people that work from home do not ask for retirement plans and benefits so it is all around better for them. But I do assure you "they" do pay me for my efforts and would be happy to pay you all as well. Does that make sense?  IF you have any other questions or concerns I will try to answer them to the best of my knowledge. Take care!

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey everyone you know I am a long time poster here and am not a spammer but I really do have something great that I found and I wanted to share it with all of you. Like me many of you cannot hold a job due to anxiety but I have finally found a work from home program that is SUPER easy and way fun!  All that is required to start is to get your first sale and you can even sign yourself up as your first sale like I did! The company I work for is in the business of providing discounts on medical, visual, dental, and even prescription drugs!  It is NOT a sales position. So I signed myself up for the card which is only $9.99 a month and not I get up to 50% off all my prescriptions and also tons of money off medical, visual, and dentist appointments! Anyway once you sign yourself or a family member up the work you do is SUPER EASY!  It is not sales because the people you call or email are already interested!  The company is flooded with emails and phone calls requesting info and you reply.  If you choose phones then you get free long distance codes and just return calls to people asking for info. For each sign up you get $10 and then $1 a month as long as they stay on!  So if you did this until you got 300 people signed up that would be $3000 and $300 a month!. Even if you quit you would still get $300 a month for all the people that stay on after you signed them up and you wouldn’t even have to work  :) Also if you get personal sign ups (like not company leads)  you et $20 per person and $2 a month. What I do is strictly internet marketing.  They just send me an email list and I copy and paste scripts they give me emailing the people back.  It is SUPER easy and I am moving out on my own with this job as my main income! If I sign you up I can have you making money within a week! The thing I like best is that even if you do not want to work you can just sign up for the medical discount card for only $9.99 a month and this will secure you a spot as an associate to start work anytime you want and in the mean time will save you tons on meds and doctor visits!  There are many work at home scams out there and I have been victim to many!  But now you can all learn by my mistakes and jump right into a legit work at home program!  This way you do not have to waste time and money on all the fake ones like I did ;) This program is also great as extra income if you already have a job!

I hate to say it, but it sounds like at best a pyramid scheme to me.  At worst, this company is using you to do their spamming.  Ask yourself some questions before you jump in. 1.  Why do they need you to do emailing?  Why are they willing to PAY you to do     something they can do cheaply and easily themselves.     Possible answers are:  They want you to sell cards to all your friends.     They are not sending you qualified email addresses, they are letting you     spam for them. 2.  Up to 50% off what?  The "manufacturer’s retail price", or the regular price     you pay at many pharmacies.     Most likely, you are going to save a few cents on perscriptions, because the     big discount is off the highest list price of the drup, not the price that     most pharmacies normally charge.  Also, you can’t seem to come up with actual     prices of some common drugs, if their prices were so great, they’d be waving     them around instead of making you dig for them. http://www.consumerreports.org/main/detailv2.jsp?CONTENT%3C%3Ecnt_id=… http://rxpolicy.com/studies/grbushcards.pdf — David Chamberlain http://dchamberlain1.tripod.com/ — Build a man a fire and he’ll be warm for a day.  Set a man on fire and he’ll be warm for the rest of his life      – Terry Pratchett

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?????     clarify

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You can check out the company on BBB.  They have been in business 15 years and there has been no complaints in the 4 years they have been on the internet.  

Dustin in your little set of instructions on how to suck in customers they tell you to say this right? Be honest now. BTW what you are doing in this group right now may be in violation of your TOS.

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Has anyone noticed Dustin hasn’t told us how BIG his own discount is on his own drugs. That’s because he isn’t allowed to by the rules of this scam. The reason he isn’t allowed to tell you is because there is NO discount on 99% of the drugs people really use, and Dustin already knows this. Below are the pharmacies within 5 miles of the zip code 18944.  Call them and inquire about Pro Card International.  Let me know if you have any further questions.

This sounds similar to the People’s Prescription Plan, which regularly advertises on TV and charges $7 per month or so for discounts on Rx’s, eyewear, etc.  Oftentimes the discounted price can be more than the price without any discount!  These companies usually pick a select few meds to give any real discount on, and then minimize the rest.  Then they can say "save *UP TO* 75% on meds" when in reality precious few meds truly get that 75% discount, or even a 50% one! Ask for a listing of discounted meds BEFORE you buy in.  I’ve yet to find anyone truly helped by these scams.

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If you decide to call up a Provider for specific procedures, be certain to say the NAME of the NETWORK you have selected, such as "Careington". Providers may not recognize the name Procard International because they are contracted by the NETWORK NAME, only.  For Physician Services, please say BOTH PPONEXT and MULTIPLAN. I just now read this.  They may not know the name pro card international. But listen I promise it is real and not a scam!  You can check out the company on BBB.  They have been in business 15 years and there has been no complaints in the 4 years they have been on the internet.  If the better business bureau says they are okay then they are.  And I would not scam people. Good luck.

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Below are the pharmacies within 5 miles of the zip code 18944.  Call them and inquire about Pro Card International.  Let me know if you have any further questions. Total providers returned: 4 —- ECKERD # 6891 (215)257-8737       1125 N 5TH ST 1125 NORTH FIFTH STREET PERKASIE, PA  18944 County: BUCKS —- ECKERD # 8649 (215)453-7540       519 CONSTITUTION AVE 519 CONSITTUTION AVENUE PERKASIE, PA  18944 County: BUCKS —- SELLERSVILLE PHARMACY (215)257-9077       218 S MAIN ST SELLERSVILLE, PA  18960 County: BUCKS —- TELFORD PHARMACY (215)723-2420       126 PENN AVE TELFORD, PA  18969 County: MONTGOMERY

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the absolute worse case scenario with this is you do not put any time into it and you do not make money but you still have a medical discount card to get discounts on prescription meds and medical, visual, and dental exams all around the country.  And the membership for the card can be canceled any time  ;)

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So I signed myself up for the card which is only $9.99 a month and not I get up to 50% off all my prescriptions and also tons of money off medical, visual, and dentist appointments!

"up to 50% off"  "tons of money"  Be afraid, be very afraid. Since you posted this here, can you tell me, and everyone else what a prescription for seroquel 25 mg quantity of 150 would cost me if I was a member?  How about Lexapro, 10 mg quantity 60?  The worst thing you can do as a salesman is not be able to tell me my cost.  If mail order, include all additional charges such as shipping and handling. Interested, but very, very skeptical, Tono

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Here is how it works.  You do not have to order your meds from anyone so there is no S&H.  What the membership costs is $9.99 a month and what you get is full access to the company site.  Then all you do is go to the members section and choose from dental, medical, visual, or pharmacy.  You type in your area code and it will give you a list of providers in your area that honor the card. Most major stores do like Costco Pharmacy, Walgreens, Riteaid, Walmart and so on.  The highest I have seen so far on a prescription savings is 50% and the lowest was roughly 25%. The saving come into play for medical visits BIG TIME.  Also if you are not interested in this card but do want to work from home you can always get a family member or friend to sign up and that will get you in the door and activate your work at home account. I just signed my self up thinking whatever I don’t care I just wanted to start working.  Then after totally forgetting that I signed myself up I receive this packet with all these cool savings!  I myself am 100% satisfied by the savings and the fact that I now make money from home. The company sends me 40 email addresses in word format of people that have expressed interest in working from home or in the card or both.  Then I just copy and paste emails to them all with my code and they sign up I get $10 for each sign up and then $1 a month for each one as long as they are a member.  And keep in mind all the people that I email are already interested so the majority of them activate once I give them instructions. I copy and paste each email to make it personal.  Some people just mass mail the whole list of 40 people in 2 seconds then get $10 for each that signs up later that week.  Also each time you sign up just one person you can request another 40 leads. This thing I am doing here is called personal leads.  Which means I am just telling personal friends about it so I get $20 per sign up and $2 a month for each of you that sign up  :)  I just figured you would all love this as much as myself because working at home is nice when anxiety keeps you out of the work force and an added bonus it will saves you TONS on your med bills. questions.

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Here is how it works.  You do not have to order your meds from anyone so there is no S&H.  What the membership costs is $9.99 a month and what you get is full access to the company site.  Then all you do is go to the members section and choose from dental, medical, visual, or pharmacy.  You type in your area code and it will give you a list of providers in your area that honor the card.

Dustin, I don’t mean to be giving you a hard time about this, but personally, I think it’s a scam.  Not that you are scamming anyone, you are just in the middle. Do me a favor.  Since you are a member, could you type in area code 215 (or if you meant zip code, use 18944) and tell me what the prescriptions I mentioned will cost me or where the participating drug stores are so I can call them and ask the price. Or will they allow me to see my actual cost before I join?  If so, give me the web site and I’ll check it out myself!  I don’t buy anything unless I know what I’m getting.  Savings of "up to 50%" means savings between 0% and 50%.  I would need to know what percentage I am saving before buying into it. Still skeptical, Tono

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey everyone you know I am a long time poster here and am not a spammer but I really do have something great that I found and I wanted to share it with all of you. Like me many of you cannot hold a job due to anxiety but I have finally found a work from home program that is SUPER easy and way fun!  All that is required to start is to get your first sale and you can even sign yourself up as your first sale like I did! The company I work for is in the business of providing discounts on medical, visual, dental, and even prescription drugs!  It is NOT a sales position. So I signed myself up for the card which is only $9.99 a month and not I get up to 50% off all my prescriptions and also tons of money off medical, visual, and dentist appointments! Anyway once you sign yourself or a family member up the work you do is SUPER EASY!  It is not sales because the people you call or email are already interested!  The company is flooded with emails and phone calls requesting info and you reply.  If you choose phones then you get free long distance codes and just return calls to people asking for info. For each sign up you get $10 and then $1 a month as long as they stay on!  So if you did this until you got 300 people signed up that would be $3000 and $300 a month!. Even if you quit you would still get $300 a month for all the people that stay on after you signed them up and you wouldn’t even have to work  :) Also if you get personal sign ups (like not company leads)  you et $20 per person and $2 a month. What I do is strictly internet marketing.  They just send me an email list and I copy and paste scripts they give me emailing the people back.  It is SUPER easy and I am moving out on my own with this job as my main income! If I sign you up I can have you making money within a week! The thing I like best is that even if you do not want to work you can just sign up for the medical discount card for only $9.99 a month and this will secure you a spot as an associate to start work anytime you want and in the mean time will save you tons on meds and doctor visits!  There are many work at home scams out there and I have been victim to many!  But now you can all learn by my mistakes and jump right into a legit work at home program!  This way you do not have to waste time and money on all the fake ones like I did ;) This program is also great as extra income if you already have a job!

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Hey everyone you know I am a long time poster here and am not a spammer but I really do have something great that I found and I wanted to share it with all of you. Like me many of you cannot hold a job due to anxiety but I have finally found a work from home program that is SUPER easy and way fun!  All that is required to start is to get your first sale and you can even sign yourself up as your first sale like I did! The company I work for is in the business of providing discounts on medical, visual, dental, and even prescription drugs!  It is NOT a sales position. So I signed myself up for the card which is only $9.99 a month and not I get up to 50% off all my prescriptions and also tons of money off medical, visual, and dentist appointments! Anyway once you sign yourself or a family member up the work you do is SUPER EASY!  It is not sales because the people you call or email are already interested!  The company is flooded with emails and phone calls requesting info and you reply.  If you choose phones then you get free long distance codes and just return calls to people asking for info. For each sign up you get $10 and then $1 a month as long as they stay on!  So if you did this until you got 300 people signed up that would be $3000 and $300 a month!. Even if you quit you would still get $300 a month for all the people that stay on after you signed them up and you wouldn’t even have to work  :) Also if you get personal sign ups (like not company leads)  you et $20 per person and $2 a month. What I do is strictly internet marketing.  They just send me an email list and I copy and paste scripts they give me emailing the people back.  It is SUPER easy and I am moving out on my own with this job as my main income! If I sign you up I can have you making money within a week! The thing I like best is that even if you do not want to work you can just sign up for the medical discount card for only $9.99 a month and this will secure you a spot as an associate to start work anytime you want and in the mean time will save you tons on meds and doctor visits!  There are many work at home scams out there and I have been victim to many!  But now you can all learn by my mistakes and jump right into a legit work at home program!  This way you do not have to waste time and money on all the fake ones like I did ;) This program is also great as extra income if you already have a job!

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Seroquel experiences??

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – X-No-Archive: yes Sheesh. I just started it today and am at only 50 mg, but I’m so dizzy and incoherent it makes me wonder if this is going to work. All I want to do is eat too. There is a precaution with this med about exercise and overheating (temperature control). Has anyone experienced this? How else do I counter the extra "hunger" or cravings? Part of it is a bad taste in my mouth (metallic) that makes me want to eat to get rid of it. I would really appreciate hearing any other experiences from people who have successfully been treated with Seroquel. I don’t know what’s next. I got akathesia while on loxapine. I think Zyprexa is the next step on the merry go round. <sigh Someone tell me it’s worth this, ’cause right now I feel pretty lousy with the meds.

I have been on Seroquel for 8 months now, I have gained weight – 2 stone – but I was skinny before so look better for it, it has been the only anti-psychotic that has worked for me, and if you are concerned about weight gain the stay away from Zyprexa I found that even worse. When I started 25mg used to put me straight to sleep. I now take 200mg in the morning, 350mg notce and 25mg PRN for agitation / irritability. Don’t worry you won’t be zombiefied forever it just takes a little time to get used to it. I do get carbohydrate cravings with it, so watch your intake in that department to help avoid weight gain. I have never had any problems with temp control or the metallic taste, I’ve only heard of that with Zopiclone and Lithium but YMMV. From my personal experience stick with it and enjoy the sleeps while you still get them it worked wonders for me once I got the right dose. Hope this Helps, If you have any questions Email me or post. SR

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Re. living successfully with Seroquel *) Don’t judge any drug by your experience the first day (one of my "sent from God" medications, Effexor, about killed me the first 3 days). Hanging in with the damned drugs gives us patience like God, but we have to do it. *) About the cravings. Resisting the damned drug cravings gives us willpower like God, but we have to do it. I have gained so many pounds :( ( (lost most of them but not all of them, trying again) from the damned drugs, I know now that I have to eat the same basic diet every day and weigh myself all of the time. That way I only gain weight from the drugs that slows down my metabolism (aka lithium) and not from drugs that increase my appetite (drugs thy names are manifold). Resist! *) My personal experience with Seroquel is that it is a good sleeping agent, good anti-psychotic (not the best) and lousy mood stabilizer or antidepressant. So if you want encouragement for Seroquel it depends why you are taking it. But I am free with general all-purpose encouragement. Hang in there ! ~ Gandalf Souls are like athletes that need opponents worthy of them if they are to be tried and extended and pushed to the full use of their powers, and rewarded according to their capacity. Thomas Merton

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – X-No-Archive: yes Sheesh. I just started it today and am at only 50 mg, but I’m so dizzy and incoherent it makes me wonder if this is going to work. All I want to do is eat too. There is a precaution with this med about exercise and overheating (temperature control). Has anyone experienced this? How else do I counter the extra "hunger" or cravings? Part of it is a bad taste in my mouth (metallic) that makes me want to eat to get rid of it. I would really appreciate hearing any other experiences from people who have successfully been treated with Seroquel. I don’t know what’s next. I got akathesia while on loxapine. I think Zyprexa is the next step on the merry go round. <sigh Someone tell me it’s worth this, ’cause right now I feel pretty lousy with the meds. Jai — For more information about this posting service, contact: If you want an anonymous account, visit our sign-up page: https://asarian-host.net/cgi-bin/signup.cgi

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Jai – I’m sorry this is a group response. I am sneaking online at home when I should be doing other things.

No problem with a group response, I haven’t checked the email address this alias posts to in eons. I know one day is too soon to evaluate any drug, I guess I just felt like I was being hyper-sensitive and that it would continue that way.

Is it going better now? Usually if I don’t get better in 3-4 days I don’t get better. I took effexor at one point too. That was the worst med to go on and especially to go off, for me. YMMV with everything of course.

What sucks for me with Effexor is when I forget to take it in the morning. Since I can’t take it after 12noon then I have to wait a day. And I get the wierdest side effect if I don’t take it for a day — very bad feeling and tingling strangely in my extremities. I think that this is a side effect built in by the pharmaceutical company so that we stay on it! By my own choice I like to always keep the number of different meds to a minimum

Me too, I am trying to bring it down from about 8 to 2 (lithium and effexor). I don’t know what the doctors are thinking with giving people these many drugs. From my statistical training I know that if you are taking 8 drugs that means that you have 7! (7×6x5×4x3×2x1) = 5,040 different interactions between all of the different drugs. Can any pdoc make sense out of that? Instead, with 2 drugs I have 1! interaction = 1, and that is enough for me. Yeah, the beauty of being bipolar is you think you’re dying one week, and the next you think you deserve a good job although you’ve been unemployed for many years. ;-)

Good for you! I’ve been hanging in with graduate school through 4 hospitalizations now, we need grit to survive this illness. ~ Gandalf

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I had a very atypical experience with Seroquel.  Lithium was the mood stabilizer, and Seroquel was to help me sleep.  Instead I had my first full blown hallucinations while on the combination.  Five full senses.  And even consciously attempting to reinforce that such things were not possible didn’t shake the "reality" of the hallucinations. Went off the Seroquel, and things returned to "normal" quickly. Later, Myridian

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – X-No-Archive: yes Well, YMMV, but I can’t take Seroquel BiD. I think it would be a great adjunct PRN though. What has happened, as with Risperdal, I am beginning to have kidney related issues, severe edema within the 5 days of beginning the med. Oh well. I can say however, that it really did help me with the bad thought patterns during the time I’ve taken it, whereas Risperdal did not work on any level. So, I guess I will just talk to my doc and maybe we’ll look at mood stabilizers instead. Or nothing for now and Seroquel only occasionally. My body (or brain?) seems to be hypersensitive to psych meds unfortunately. It’s okay to eliminate drugs IMO, at least things get narrowed down. And I suppose some of us just end up tweaking our meds throughout our lifetimes, and that’s acceptable to me also. Onward… Jai — For more information about this posting service, contact: If you want an anonymous account, visit our sign-up page: https://asarian-host.net/cgi-bin/signup.cgi

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update on fainting/headache problem

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Hi, I never went into the hospital for my symptoms. I called the psychiatrist’s office and talked to a nurse who said I should contact my pain clinic, because my problem was a result of physical pain, not psychopathology. I explained that my severe chronic pain problems were causing psychopathology and they told me to call the pain clinic. I explained the pain clinic would not be able to treat my pain adequately and that I was just worried about my symptoms. They said they would call back the next morning and they did. They told me the doctor wrote a prescription for Seroquel and I could pick it up at the pharmacy. I explained that Seroquel is not for pain and that it is an anti-psychotic agent, one that costs half a grand to fill. She agreed I was not psychotic but thought the Seroquel would help with my anxiety problems. After I explained the prohibitive cost factor she told me I should try botox injections or go to a different pain clinic. Well, perhaps the latter idea might not be a bad idea, but my pain clinic used to do such a good job controlling my pain. It is as though the advances made in treatment of pain have been diminished recently. I am not having fainting spells and my pain is down a little bit right now (thank God). The migraine went away and now I only have TMJ and neck pain. This is a good thing. Sometimes I wish I wasn’t alive and when I wake up in the morning i ask ‘why God?’ However, I cannot assume the role of a victim. Either I live and live well or I wither on the vine. Thank you for responding to my posts and giving me feedback. Ravens

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I am glad to hear you are feeling better…I am, as well, now that I got my Methadone refilled, and a dose in my system…still not back to normal yet, but better, none the less. You definitely should find a new pain clinic, if they are not taking things in hand as they should. I am looking, myself, so I can relate to the disappointment involved in discovering they are not as good as they used to be. What ever you decide to do, I do hope you take your symptoms seriously, and find a good doctor who also does. Good luck, Trailingvine – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hi, I never went into the hospital for my symptoms. I called the psychiatrist’s office and talked to a nurse who said I should contact my pain clinic, because my problem was a result of physical pain, not psychopathology. I explained that my severe chronic pain problems were causing psychopathology and they told me to call the pain clinic. I explained the pain clinic would not be able to treat my pain adequately and that I was just worried about my symptoms. They said they would call back the next morning and they did. They told me the doctor wrote a prescription for Seroquel and I could pick it up at the pharmacy. I explained that Seroquel is not for pain and that it is an anti-psychotic agent, one that costs half a grand to fill. She agreed I was not psychotic but thought the Seroquel would help with my anxiety problems. After I explained the prohibitive cost factor she told me I should try botox injections or go to a different pain clinic. Well, perhaps the latter idea might not be a bad idea, but my pain clinic used to do such a good job controlling my pain. It is as though the advances made in treatment of pain have been diminished recently. I am not having fainting spells and my pain is down a little bit right now (thank God). The migraine went away and now I only have TMJ and neck pain. This is a good thing. Sometimes I wish I wasn’t alive and when I wake up in the morning i ask ‘why God?’ However, I cannot assume the role of a victim. Either I live and live well or I wither on the vine. Thank you for responding to my posts and giving me feedback. Ravens

"To live happily is an inward power of the soul." Marcus Aurelius

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more meds or fantasies?

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I go to see my pdoc today.  As far as antipsychotics go, I had been taking 40 mg geodon and 75 mg seroquel daily.  The previous month I reduced the seroquel to 50 mg at night, the only difference was I was more alert without the daytime dose.  Last month my pdoc questioned my need for seroquel and thought about raising my geodon.  I didn’t want to change anything then.  He did mention that seroquel could be one of many reasons why my hair may be falling out.  So two weeks ago I quit taking seroquel without his permission because I was worried about my hair. Now I’ve noticed a big difference.  Two good things being less constipation and more sex drive.  Bad things being having more trouble sleeping, slightly depressed and irritable (could be from lack of sleep) and less motivation and more withdrawal.  The other thing is that my fantasies are back.  The fantasies cause me to sit around and not do anything constructive.  I haven’t been going out every day like I used to, but staying in and fantasizing, and the apartment isn’t getting cleaned.  Groceries were harder to deal with last week too.  I know this has had a negative impact on my life, but the thing is I enjoy the fantasies even if a lot of times really bad things happen in them. I know fantasies aren’t really a psychotic symptom but antipsychotics do make them go away and my life is more active then, and I am much less withdrawn.  It is the less antipsychotic meds that are making them come back, but I seem to be taking enough of them so that fantasies don’t take over my life comepletely.  Anyway, my question is, should I mention this to my pdoc?  I have this longing to keep having fantasies and I’ve missed them, even thought I know my life is better without them.  I don’t know if I should take more meds to get rid of them, or stay on the low dosage and have them, but not let it get so bad that I am not exercising, showering or getting dressed.  It would be easier just to take more meds and get rid of them, but I miss them.  What to do? Sasha

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wrote in message <news:rQE08.106234$WK1.25912416@typhoon.we.rr.com… I go to see my pdoc today.  As far as antipsychotics go, I had been taking 40 mg geodon and 75 mg seroquel daily.  The previous month I reduced the seroquel to 50 mg at night, the only difference was I was more alert without the daytime dose.  Last month my pdoc questioned my need for seroquel and thought about raising my geodon.  I didn’t want to change anything then.  He did mention that seroquel could be one of many reasons why my hair may be falling out.  So two weeks ago I quit taking seroquel without his permission because I was worried about my hair. Now I’ve noticed a big difference.  Two good things being less constipation and more sex drive.  Bad things being having more trouble sleeping, slightly depressed and irritable (could be from lack of sleep) and less motivation and more withdrawal.  The other thing is that my fantasies are back.  The fantasies cause me to sit around and not do anything constructive.  I haven’t been going out every day like I used to, but staying in and fantasizing, and the apartment isn’t getting cleaned.  Groceries were harder to deal with last week too.  I know this has had a negative impact on my life, but the thing is I enjoy the fantasies even if a lot of times really bad things happen in them. I know fantasies aren’t really a psychotic symptom but antipsychotics do make them go away and my life is more active then, and I am much less withdrawn.  It is the less antipsychotic meds that are making them come back, but I seem to be taking enough of them so that fantasies don’t take over my life comepletely.  Anyway, my question is, should I mention this to my pdoc?  I have this longing to keep having fantasies and I’ve missed them, even thought I know my life is better without them.  I don’t know if I should take more meds to get rid of them, or stay on the low dosage and have them, but not let it get so bad that I am not exercising, showering or getting dressed.  It would be easier just to take more meds and get rid of them, but I miss them.  What to do? Sasha

Well that is difficult choice. I know what you are talking about. In my case I had to be clean because of my work. But if you don’t have to do that, I would go for the fantasies.. it is the minds way of coping with social withdrawal and giving you something back that seems better than real life.. A difficult choice Sasha !!! Berty

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You just need to give your fantasies form (like painting or a rough draft novel, or even dance, etc.). This way they won’t recycle into vicious loops. You know, obsessive ruminations on fantasies. Stop the redundancy and save some of your time by, for example, putting the fantasies in a novel. This way you can look back at your fantasies and forego the need of re-fantasizing them. You will find that instead of endless time-consuming loops that they start to spiral upwards to freedom of imagination. Its a sign of health to have an imagination.

I was just talking to my husband last night about the fantasies and how I wish I could make them into novels.  I have tried before, but it is just too hard to focus and my mind goes much faster than I can type.  Maybe if I take more medication and stop having the fantasies, I can go back to some I have had before from memory and write it down without getting completely lost in my mind and unfocused on writing.  I don’t know if that will work, but I think I have decided to take the meds increase, so bye bye fantasies. Sasha

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Well that is difficult choice. I know what you are talking about. In my case I had to be clean because of my work. But if you don’t have to do that, I would go for the fantasies.. it is the minds way of coping with social withdrawal and giving you something back that seems better than real life.. A difficult choice Sasha !!! Berty

I was thinking of keeping the meds low and keeping the fantasies, but then on the way to the pdoc’s office I had an agitation attack and had to go back home.  So I kind of felt even more dysfunctional after that and so I told my pdoc everything over the phone and he raised my geodon dosage.  If fantasies were the only symptom I was experiencing then I might have not increased the meds, but I’ve been a bit depressed and unmotivated and then the agitation attack… Antipsychotics seem to really help me feel less depressed. Sasha

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thdrawn.  It is the less antipsychotic meds that are making them come back, but I seem to be taking enough of them so that fantasies don’t take over my life comepletely.  Anyway, my question

my fantasy life got destroied while i was first schizophrenic, i still rarely fantasize. but you know, i do it everyonce in a while. i can look at fantasies, and i take after this one guy that i look at does some pretty stupidly funny stuff (he invented something called schizamatcha lol) so now i do stupid stuff. i have trouble keeping my fantasy there, but i can create things and make them solid so theyll stick around ive got a pig and a statue of myself (lol)(which i hav eput away, and i havent taken it out since ive created it)  and some other stuff. i used to have complex fantasies, but now i sort of do what everyone else does..lots of people do the same stuff…it makes me giggle and provides me with hours of entertainment. bat your eyes girl.. be other worldly..kudos to those who see through sickness.. INCUBUS "Warning" the magics in the make up… my back it aches again it aches like history.. WHY DO THE GOOD GIRLS ALWAYS WANT THE BAD BOYS? NO DOUBT

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I’ve read some kerouac, and a little joyce, and I have even written in stream of consciousness before and found it to be some of my best work. Thanks for the suggestion, maybe I will try it again. Sasha "Albanburger" <troubled…@iwon.com

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> > news:e31ebf5b.0201151050.1bf8fa4@posting.google.com… > > > You just need to give your fantasies form (like painting or a rough > > > draft novel, or even dance, etc.). This way they won’t recycle into > > > vicious loops. You know, obsessive ruminations on fantasies. Stop the > > > redundancy and save some of your time by, for example, putting the > > > fantasies in a novel. This way you can look back at your fantasies and > > > forego the need of re-fantasizing them. You will find that instead of > > > endless time-consuming loops that they start to spiral upwards to > > > freedom of imagination. Its a sign of health to have an imagination. > > I was just talking to my husband last night about the fantasies and how I

wish I could make them into novels.  I have tried before, but it is just

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hard to focus and my mind goes much faster than I can type.  Maybe if I

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more medication and stop having the fantasies, I can go back to some I

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had before from memory and write it down without getting completely lost

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my mind and unfocused on writing.  I don’t know if that will work, but I think I have decided to take the meds increase, so bye bye fantasies. Sasha

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