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ASHM Forever! I got to thinking the other day that things really have been peaceful around ASHM for quite a while now. I hope it isn’t bad luck to say this. I have had only one brief experience with a news group other than ASHM. The one I did visit (over a year ago) was called ASC-P (I believe that’s the right designation). I made less than a dozen posts there before I found out that it was a place — at least then — where the pain suffered by the subscribers was nearly matched by the pain they inflicted on one another. Perhaps it’s not still that way — I hope not. I may have come and gone at a bad time, but I promise you that I don’t want to go back to find out. Although conflict never was much of a problem with us, there have been a few isolated moments. With this in mind, I decided this morning to look at some old ASHM threads to see how well, or how poorly, we have handled unrest within OUR group in the past. Most of our posts are available on Google’s archives at <http://groups.google.com and, since the various threads can’t be sorted between "Conflict" and "Non-Conflict" I had to make some random stabs before I found what I wanted. I was looking for an instance where a potential flame war had been averted by civility, and I think I got lucky. The thread I stumbled on was entitled "NOT!!!! joining the group" and reading through it made me proud to be associated with ASHM. The thread runs to 34 posts. It is dated November 1998. A lot of the contributors are no longer posting with us, but they have been replaced in kind. I have included all 34 posts (below). Most of you won’t want to labor through the whole thing, but here it is for reading in detail, or for sampling, whichever you like. After reading it, my own conclusion was, and is, that we are a civilized, superb group of extraordinarily intelligent, appreciative, compassionate, and concerned people (did I miss "perceptive"?), and why someone has not long since organized a parade in our honor is beyond me. I can hear _Stars and Stripes Forever_ and _76 Trombones_ even as I write. I realize that such self-congratulatory praise as this risks drawing in a night crawler or two from the outside. If that happens you have my sincere apology, but it wouldn’t change a thing with such a civilized group as US!. I have left the dialog untouched. Where I felt a need to comment, I have included same in brackets. BobB MESSAGE 1 in thread I have been lurking here for more than a month. I thought this was somewhere I could find support for conditions I will not describe. I have suffered for most of my life alone, I can continue to do so. I have enough trouble with neighbors and family that I will not expose myself to a bunch of flaming strangers. [By "a bunch of flaming strangers" twxtt meant us. I do not know what occasioned her resentment. From what I have observed OUTSIDE ASHM however, such a post would most likely have signaled the start of a free-for-all. --- bb] MESSAGE 2 in thread I have been lurking here for more than a month. I thought this was somewhere I could find support for conditions I will not describe. I have suffered for most of my life alone, I can continue to do so. I have enough trouble with neighbors and family that I will not expose myself to a bunch of flaming strangers.
Very sensible decision not to expose yourself to a bunch of flaming strangers! But many of us wouldn’t be strangers if you got to know us ; ). You can still find support for headaches, and will most certainly learn a great deal about medication treatments and options if you continue to read our ng. I wish you well Anne "You must see the infinite, i.e., the universal, in your particular, or it is only gossip."–O.W.Holmes, Jr. MESSAGE 3 in thread I have been lurking here for more than a month. I thought this was somewhere I could find support for conditions I will not describe.
Can only assume then that they are related to headache somehow or another. One of the great things about ASHM is our ability to not only find support, but give it to others as well. I have suffered for most of my life alone, I can continue to do so. I have enough trouble with neighbors and family that I will not expose myself to a bunch of flaming strangers.
Actually, I hadn’t noticed a "bunch" of flaming strangers here…a couple of people having a dispute, yes. It’s a shame that after more than a month of lurking here you weren’t able to see beyond the current circumstances to notice all of the sharing, caring, concern and occasional humor that abounds here as well. Since you’ve suffered like so many of us, you probably could have gotten and given much here. I hope you will reconsider. Wishing you many pain- free days ahead. Judy "Close your eyes and surrender to your darkest dreams! Purge your thoughts of the life you knew before! Close your eyes, let your spirit start to soar! And you’ll live as you’ve never lived before . . ." MESSAGE 4 in thread Please just take a deep breath .. Shake your head but stay with us. If you think that the ng is a little off center now wait until after Christmas when I find out someone got a bigger and better present than I did… :) Good Luck… RonMum Queen Of Hugs Don"t Be Reckless With Other Peoples Hearts… Don’t Put Up With People Who Are Reckless With YOURS MESSAGE 5 in thread Actually, I hadn’t noticed a "bunch" of flaming strangers here…a couple of people having a dispute, yes. It’s a shame that after more than a month of lurking here you weren’t able to see beyond the current circumstances to notice all of the sharing, caring, oncern and occasional humor that abounds here as well. Since you’ve suffered like so many of us, you probably could have gotten and given much here. I hope you will reconsider. Wishing you many pain- free days ahead. Judy
Very well said Toty MESSAGE 6 in thread
In all honesty, I have to ask: "So what’s your point?" Because really, there are a lot of us here who love coming together and talking, sharing supporting, laughing and occasionally, there is a Flame war. But do ya know what? there’s this neat option in newsgroups that allows you to filter out unwanted posts…such as flame wars. So if our humble group isn’t good enough for you, then by all means, please don’t join us. How many people lurk and then decide against joining? They don’t care to post such things. In my humble opinion, it’s the likes of you that would start a flame war and make us all sick. Have a HAPPY DAY. :0) Pooh (with a scarcastic smile on her face, but really doesn’t care) They told me I was crazy. I looked the clowns right in the eye and laughed. MESSAGE 7 in thread ALRIGHT, I will keep my feelings to myself and just go back to lurking. I have been in severe pain and my mood is not one that should ever be on line with any group. And I guess Pooh has the same nasty attitude right now. Sorry about that all, just don’t pay attention to me any longer, just like she said. MESSAGE 8 in thread ALRIGHT, I will keep my feelings to myself and just go back to lurking. I have been in severe pain and my mood is not one that should ever be on line with any group. And I guess Pooh has the same nasty attitude right now. Sorry about that all, just don’t pay attention to me any longer, just like she said.
Again, why not dwell on all the positive posts here asking you to stay? If you go looking for negatives, you will certainly find them. Why not reconsider and introduce yourself…there’s plenty of us who would like to get to know you 
Judy "Close your eyes and surrender to your darkest dreams! Purge your thoughts of the life you knew before! Close your eyes, let your spirit start to soar! And you’ll live as you’ve never lived before . . ." MESSAGE 9 in thread Again, why not dwell on all the positive posts here asking you to stay? If you go looking for negatives, you will certainly find them. Why not reconsider and introduce yourself…there’s plenty of us who would like to get to know you
She’s right, there are plenty of us here to offer you support. We all understand pain. Look for the positive. It’s what we all have to do to get through life. Let us get to know you. Amy MESSAGE 10 in thread twixtt said:ALRIGHT, I will keep my feelings to myself and just go back to lurking. I can’t think of a better place to be if you are in pain and feeling isolated. Just think of how many of us have responded to your posts. A lot of people here are very caring and concerned about the welfare of perfect strangers, which says something pretty nice about the people who post here. MESSAGE 11 in thread – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ALRIGHT, I will keep my feelings to myself and just go back to lurking. I have been in severe pain and my mood is not one that should ever be on line with any group. And I guess Pooh has the same nasty
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Iagree Bob, & Lavonne ! This group has been such a blessing to me. I know that I have had my share of spouts, or too much whining but hey Im only human. Before i found this group thouh it was harder for me to deal w/ the pain. ASHM Forever!
MM – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I got to thinking the other day that things really have been peaceful around ASHM for quite a while now. I hope it isn’t bad luck to say this. I have had only one brief experience with a news group other than ASHM. The one I did visit (over a year ago) was called ASC-P (I believe that’s the right designation). I made less than a dozen posts there before I found out that it was a place — at least then — where the pain suffered by the subscribers was nearly matched by the pain they inflicted on one another. Perhaps it’s not still that way — I hope not. I may have come and gone at a bad time, but I promise you that I don’t want to go back to find out. Although conflict never was much of a problem with us, there have been a few isolated moments. With this in mind, I decided this morning to look at some old ASHM threads to see how well, or how poorly, we have handled unrest within OUR group in the past. Most of our posts are available on Google’s archives at <http://groups.google.com and, since the various threads can’t be sorted between "Conflict" and "Non-Conflict" I had to make some random stabs before I found what I wanted. I was looking for an instance where a potential flame war had been averted by civility, and I think I got lucky. The thread I stumbled on was entitled "NOT!!!! joining the group" and reading through it made me proud to be associated with ASHM. The thread runs to 34 posts. It is dated November 1998. A lot of the contributors are no longer posting with us, but they have been replaced in kind. I have included all 34 posts (below). Most of you won’t want to labor through the whole thing, but here it is for reading in detail, or for sampling, whichever you like. After reading it, my own conclusion was, and is, that we are a civilized, superb group of extraordinarily intelligent, appreciative, compassionate, and concerned people (did I miss "perceptive"?), and why someone has not long since organized a parade in our honor is beyond me. I can hear _Stars and Stripes Forever_ and _76 Trombones_ even as I write. I realize that such self-congratulatory praise as this risks drawing in a night crawler or two from the outside. If that happens you have my sincere apology, but it wouldn’t change a thing with such a civilized group as US!. I have left the dialog untouched. Where I felt a need to comment, I have included same in brackets. BobB Thank you, BobB, for that wonderful trip down courtesy lane! I’ve always felt sincere pride and great appreciation to be with ASHM. When i’m down, you folks lift me up. When i’m down and need to help others, ASHM provides that opportunity as well. One of the most vital virtues that ASHM almost always keeps is that we don’t allow our pain to be an excuse to let our respect fly out the window. Even if we think another is being silly or whatever, we keep civil. We remember that, at the end of the day, we are all on the SAME side. The enemy is pain, not each other. ASHM folks know more about me than some of my family members do because i can be more intimate with you folks than i can with some of my relatives. There is a core honesty i can keep here due to the distance and knowledge that i probably will never bump into anyone here at the local store. We can be more "naked" and exposed cuz we can’t really embarrass ourselves here. No, i know we can here, but when i turn my computer off and have to deal with the rest of the world, i know that nothing i’ve shared here is gonna point its finger at me at WalMart and shame me….well, there anyway ASHM is a safe society for me. One of pain’s most powerful weapons is isolation. I don’t have to worry about not being able to shower today, but needing human interaction. (I’ve realized that i still need actually human contact but that’s another story.) I come here and someone has provided some giggles that i need desperately. I come here feeling well and someone needs a hand reached out to them to let them know that they are not the lone tolerance freak their medico has made them out to be. Someone’s grandmother has posted her concern about her granddaughter’s increasingly imposing migraines and needs to know that the girl’s dr is going in the right direction. Someone posts their bizarre reaction to a med and has been told that they are the only person on the planet that has had that side effect and needs to be assured that thirteen of us have had the same reaction. All these someones don’t know where else to turn. So they come to us….and we can comfort or assure a good deal of them. Some stay to be one of us. Some never post, but lurk regularly. You’re right, BobB. This ASHM is a darn fine place to be! Thank you for the reminder! Deep peace, Lavon
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ASHM Forever! I got to thinking the other day that things really have been peaceful around ASHM for quite a while now. I hope it isn’t bad luck to say this. I have had only one brief experience with a news group other than ASHM. The one I did visit (over a year ago) was called ASC-P (I believe that’s the right designation). I made less than a dozen posts there before I found out that it was a place — at least then — where the pain suffered by the subscribers was nearly matched by the pain they inflicted on one another. Perhaps it’s not still that way — I hope not. I may have come and gone at a bad time, but I promise you that I don’t want to go back to find out. Although conflict never was much of a problem with us, there have been a few isolated moments. With this in mind, I decided this morning to look at some old ASHM threads to see how well, or how poorly, we have handled unrest within OUR group in the past. Most of our posts are available on Google’s archives at <http://groups.google.com and, since the various threads can’t be sorted between "Conflict" and "Non-Conflict" I had to make some random stabs before I found what I wanted. I was looking for an instance where a potential flame war had been averted by civility, and I think I got lucky. The thread I stumbled on was entitled "NOT!!!! joining the group" and reading through it made me proud to be associated with ASHM. The thread runs to 34 posts. It is dated November 1998. A lot of the contributors are no longer posting with us, but they have been replaced in kind. I have included all 34 posts (below). Most of you won’t want to labor through the whole thing, but here it is for reading in detail, or for sampling, whichever you like. After reading it, my own conclusion was, and is, that we are a civilized, superb group of extraordinarily intelligent, appreciative, compassionate, and concerned people (did I miss "perceptive"?), and why someone has not long since organized a parade in our honor is beyond me. I can hear _Stars and Stripes Forever_ and _76 Trombones_ even as I write. I realize that such self-congratulatory praise as this risks drawing in a night crawler or two from the outside. If that happens you have my sincere apology, but it wouldn’t change a thing with such a civilized group as US!. I have left the dialog untouched. Where I felt a need to comment, I have included same in brackets. BobB
Thank you, BobB, for that wonderful trip down courtesy lane! I’ve always felt sincere pride and great appreciation to be with ASHM. When i’m down, you folks lift me up. When i’m down and need to help others, ASHM provides that opportunity as well. One of the most vital virtues that ASHM almost always keeps is that we don’t allow our pain to be an excuse to let our respect fly out the window. Even if we think another is being silly or whatever, we keep civil. We remember that, at the end of the day, we are all on the SAME side. The enemy is pain, not each other. ASHM folks know more about me than some of my family members do because i can be more intimate with you folks than i can with some of my relatives. There is a core honesty i can keep here due to the distance and knowledge that i probably will never bump into anyone here at the local store. We can be more "naked" and exposed cuz we can’t really embarrass ourselves here. No, i know we can here, but when i turn my computer off and have to deal with the rest of the world, i know that nothing i’ve shared here is gonna point its finger at me at WalMart and shame me….well, there anyway ASHM is a safe society for me. One of pain’s most powerful weapons is isolation. I don’t have to worry about not being able to shower today, but needing human interaction. (I’ve realized that i still need actually human contact but that’s another story.) I come here and someone has provided some giggles that i need desperately. I come here feeling well and someone needs a hand reached out to them to let them know that they are not the lone tolerance freak their medico has made them out to be. Someone’s grandmother has posted her concern about her granddaughter’s increasingly imposing migraines and needs to know that the girl’s dr is going in the right direction. Someone posts their bizarre reaction to a med and has been told that they are the only person on the planet that has had that side effect and needs to be assured that thirteen of us have had the same reaction. All these someones don’t know where else to turn. So they come to us….and we can comfort or assure a good deal of them. Some stay to be one of us. Some never post, but lurk regularly. You’re right, BobB. This ASHM is a darn fine place to be! Thank you for the reminder! Deep peace, Lavon
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What? Was I sick that day or on KP??? LOL That was quite a group of people back then. (not that the current group isn’t) I’m glad we were able to rehab most of them and help them re-enter society and go on to lead happy normal lives. I want to know who gave the bad reference to the parole board about me. Last I heard they were enforcing my life sentence. Just ain’t fair I tell ya!! BobW thanks BobB
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how eloquent as always Bob! I remember other such discussions where this group was able to pull together despite adversity, convincing others and ourselves that we truly are a wonderful group of people. ASHM is the first newsgroup I ever tried, back when I was having migs every single day and was locked in my apartment by the pain and ASHM was all there was. There was a Magic Bus going on then, and they let me hitch a ride, never questioning my newsgroup ignorance. I never got so many cyber hugs, and have been here ever since, though sometimes only in the background! Thanks everyone – and you too Bob for reminding us of our unity and love. Jane in AZ *Courage is the power to let go of the familiar*
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ASHM Forever! I got to thinking the other day that things really have been peaceful around ASHM for quite a while now. I hope it isn’t bad luck to say this. I have had only one brief experience with a news group other than ASHM. The one I did visit (over a year ago) was called ASC-P (I believe that’s the right designation). I made less than a dozen posts there before I found out that it was a place — at least then — where the pain suffered by the subscribers was nearly matched by the pain they inflicted on one another. Perhaps it’s not still that way — I hope not. I may have come and gone at a bad time, but I promise you that I don’t want to go back to find out. Although conflict never was much of a problem with us, there have been a few isolated moments. With this in mind, I decided this morning to look at some old ASHM threads to see how well, or how poorly, we have handled unrest within OUR group in the past. Most of our posts are available on Google’s archives at <http://groups.google.com and, since the various threads can’t be sorted between "Conflict" and "Non-Conflict" I had to make some random stabs before I found what I wanted. I was looking for an instance where a potential flame war had been averted by civility, and I think I got lucky. The thread I stumbled on was entitled "NOT!!!! joining the group" and reading through it made me proud to be associated with ASHM. The thread runs to 34 posts. It is dated November 1998. A lot of the contributors are no longer posting with us, but they have been replaced in kind. I have included all 34 posts (below). Most of you won’t want to labor through the whole thing, but here it is for reading in detail, or for sampling, whichever you like. After reading it, my own conclusion was, and is, that we are a civilized, superb group of extraordinarily intelligent, appreciative, compassionate, and concerned people (did I miss "perceptive"?), and why someone has not long since organized a parade in our honor is beyond me. I can hear _Stars and Stripes Forever_ and _76 Trombones_ even as I write. I realize that such self-congratulatory praise as this risks drawing in a night crawler or two from the outside. If that happens you have my sincere apology, but it wouldn’t change a thing with such a civilized group as US!. I have left the dialog untouched. Where I felt a need to comment, I have included same in brackets. BobB MESSAGE 1 in thread I have been lurking here for more than a month. I thought this was somewhere I could find support for conditions I will not describe. I have suffered for most of my life alone, I can continue to do so. I have enough trouble with neighbors and family that I will not expose myself to a bunch of flaming strangers. [By "a bunch of flaming strangers" twxtt meant us. I do not know what occasioned her resentment. From what I have observed OUTSIDE ASHM however, such a post would most likely have signaled the start of a free-for-all. --- bb] MESSAGE 2 in thread I have been lurking here for more than a month. I thought this was somewhere I could find support for conditions I will not describe. I have suffered for most of my life alone, I can continue to do so. I have enough trouble with neighbors and family that I will not expose myself to a bunch of flaming strangers. Very sensible decision not to expose yourself to a bunch of flaming strangers! But many of us wouldn’t be strangers if you got to know us ; ). You can still find support for headaches, and will most certainly learn a great deal about medication treatments and options if you continue to read our ng. I wish you well Anne "You must see the infinite, i.e., the universal, in your particular, or it is only gossip."–O.W.Holmes, Jr. MESSAGE 3 in thread I have been lurking here for more than a month. I thought this was somewhere I could find support for conditions I will not describe. Can only assume then that they are related to headache somehow or another. One of the great things about ASHM is our ability to not only find support, but give it to others as well. I have suffered for most of my life alone, I can continue to do so. I have enough trouble with neighbors and family that I will not expose myself to a bunch of flaming strangers. Actually, I hadn’t noticed a "bunch" of flaming strangers here…a couple of people having a dispute, yes. It’s a shame that after more than a month of lurking here you weren’t able to see beyond the current circumstances to notice all of the sharing, caring, concern and occasional humor that abounds here as well. Since you’ve suffered like so many of us, you probably could have gotten and given much here. I hope you will reconsider. Wishing you many pain- free days ahead. Judy "Close your eyes and surrender to your darkest dreams! Purge your thoughts of the life you knew before! Close your eyes, let your spirit start to soar! And you’ll live as you’ve never lived before . . ." MESSAGE 4 in thread Please just take a deep breath .. Shake your head but stay with us. If you think that the ng is a little off center now wait until after Christmas when I find out someone got a bigger and better present than I did… :) Good Luck… RonMum Queen Of Hugs Don"t Be Reckless With Other Peoples Hearts… Don’t Put Up With People Who Are Reckless With YOURS MESSAGE 5 in thread Actually, I hadn’t noticed a "bunch" of flaming strangers here…a couple of people having a dispute, yes. It’s a shame that after more than a month of lurking here you weren’t able to see beyond the current circumstances to notice all of the sharing, caring, oncern and occasional humor that abounds here as well. Since you’ve suffered like so many of us, you probably could have gotten and given much here. I hope you will reconsider. Wishing you many pain- free days ahead. Judy Very well said Toty MESSAGE 6 in thread In all honesty, I have to ask: "So what’s your point?" Because really, there are a lot of us here who love coming together and talking, sharing supporting, laughing and occasionally, there is a Flame war. But do ya know what? there’s this neat option in newsgroups that allows you to filter out unwanted posts…such as flame wars. So if our humble group isn’t good enough for you, then by all means, please don’t join us. How many people lurk and then decide against joining? They don’t care to post such things. In my humble opinion, it’s the likes of you that would start a flame war and make us all sick. Have a HAPPY DAY. :0) Pooh (with a scarcastic smile on her face, but really doesn’t care) They told me I was crazy. I looked the clowns right in the eye and laughed. MESSAGE 7 in thread ALRIGHT, I will keep my feelings to myself and just go back to lurking. I have been in severe pain and my mood is not one that should ever be on line with any group. And I guess Pooh has the same nasty attitude right now. Sorry about that all, just don’t pay attention to me any longer, just like she said. MESSAGE 8 in thread ALRIGHT, I will keep my feelings to myself and just go back to lurking. I have been in severe pain and my mood is not one that should ever be on line with any group. And I guess Pooh has the same nasty attitude right now. Sorry about that all, just don’t pay attention to me any longer, just like she said. Again, why not dwell on all the positive posts here asking you to stay? If you go looking for negatives, you will certainly find them. Why not reconsider and introduce yourself…there’s plenty of us who would like to get to know you Judy "Close your eyes and surrender to your darkest dreams! Purge your thoughts of the life you knew before! Close your eyes, let your spirit start to soar! And you’ll live as you’ve never lived before . . ." MESSAGE 9 in thread
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Thanks Bob !! I forgot the sig. line about the sock puppet and I am laughing again as I did then… I resemble that remark LOL ~~memories~~ great group then and still a great group… Ppl come and ppl go and I have fond memories of all.. RonMum
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ASHM Forever! I got to thinking the other day that things really have been peaceful around ASHM for quite a while now. I hope it isn’t bad luck to say this. I have had only one brief experience with a news group other than ASHM. The one I did visit (over a year ago) was called ASC-P (I believe that’s the right designation). I made less than a dozen posts there before I found out that it was a place — at least then — where the pain suffered by the subscribers was nearly matched by the pain they inflicted on one another. Perhaps it’s not still that way — I hope not. I may have come and gone at a bad time, but I promise you that I don’t want to go back to find out. Although conflict never was much of a problem with us, there have been a few isolated moments. With this in mind, I decided this morning to look at some old ASHM threads to see how well, or how poorly, we have handled unrest within OUR group in the past. Most of our posts are available on Google’s archives at <http://groups.google.com and, since the various threads can’t be sorted between "Conflict" and "Non-Conflict" I had to make some random stabs before I found what I wanted. I was looking for an instance where a potential flame war had been averted by civility, and I think I got lucky. The thread I stumbled on was entitled "NOT!!!! joining the group" and reading through it made me proud to be associated with ASHM. The thread runs to 34 posts. It is dated November 1998. A lot of the contributors are no longer posting with us, but they have been replaced in kind. I have included all 34 posts (below). Most of you won’t want to labor through the whole thing, but here it is for reading in detail, or for sampling, whichever you like. After reading it, my own conclusion was, and is, that we are a civilized, superb group of extraordinarily intelligent, appreciative, compassionate, and concerned people (did I miss "perceptive"?), and why someone has not long since organized a parade in our honor is beyond me. I can hear _Stars and Stripes Forever_ and _76 Trombones_ even as I write. I realize that such self-congratulatory praise as this risks drawing in a night crawler or two from the outside. If that happens you have my sincere apology, but it wouldn’t change a thing with such a civilized group as US!. I have left the dialog untouched. Where I felt a need to comment, I have included same in brackets. BobB MESSAGE 1 in thread I have been lurking here for more than a month. I thought this was somewhere I could find support for conditions I will not describe. I have suffered for most of my life alone, I can continue to do so. I have enough trouble with neighbors and family that I will not expose myself to a bunch of flaming strangers. [By "a bunch of flaming strangers" twxtt meant us. I do not know what occasioned her resentment. From what I have observed OUTSIDE ASHM however, such a post would most likely have signaled the start of a free-for-all. --- bb] MESSAGE 2 in thread I have been lurking here for more than a month. I thought this was somewhere I could find support for conditions I will not describe. I have suffered for most of my life alone, I can continue to do so. I have enough trouble with neighbors and family that I will not expose myself to a bunch of flaming strangers. Very sensible decision not to expose yourself to a bunch of flaming strangers! But many of us wouldn’t be strangers if you got to know us ; ). You can still find support for headaches, and will most certainly learn a great deal about medication treatments and options if you continue to read our ng. I wish you well Anne "You must see the infinite, i.e., the universal, in your particular, or it is only gossip."–O.W.Holmes, Jr. MESSAGE 3 in thread I have been lurking here for more than a month. I thought this was somewhere I could find support for conditions I will not describe. Can only assume then that they are related to headache somehow or another. One of the great things about ASHM is our ability to not only find support, but give it to others as well. I have suffered for most of my life alone, I can continue to do so. I have enough trouble with neighbors and family that I will not expose myself to a bunch of flaming strangers. Actually, I hadn’t noticed a "bunch" of flaming strangers here…a couple of people having a dispute, yes. It’s a shame that after more than a month of lurking here you weren’t able to see beyond the current circumstances to notice all of the sharing, caring, concern and occasional humor that abounds here as well. Since you’ve suffered like so many of us, you probably could have gotten and given much here. I hope you will reconsider. Wishing you many pain- free days ahead. Judy "Close your eyes and surrender to your darkest dreams! Purge your thoughts of the life you knew before! Close your eyes, let your spirit start to soar! And you’ll live as you’ve never lived before . . ." MESSAGE 4 in thread Please just take a deep breath .. Shake your head but stay with us. If you think that the ng is a little off center now wait until after Christmas when I find out someone got a bigger and better present than I did… :) Good Luck… RonMum Queen Of Hugs Don"t Be Reckless With Other Peoples Hearts… Don’t Put Up With People Who Are Reckless With YOURS MESSAGE 5 in thread Actually, I hadn’t noticed a "bunch" of flaming strangers here…a couple of people having a dispute, yes. It’s a shame that after more than a month of lurking here you weren’t able to see beyond the current circumstances to notice all of the sharing, caring, oncern and occasional humor that abounds here as well. Since you’ve suffered like so many of us, you probably could have gotten and given much here. I hope you will reconsider. Wishing you many pain- free days ahead. Judy Very well said Toty MESSAGE 6 in thread In all honesty, I have to ask: "So what’s your point?" Because really, there are a lot of us here who love coming together and talking, sharing supporting, laughing and occasionally, there is a Flame war. But do ya know what? there’s this neat option in newsgroups that allows you to filter out unwanted posts…such as flame wars. So if our humble group isn’t good enough for you, then by all means, please don’t join us. How many people lurk and then decide against joining? They don’t care to post such things. In my humble opinion, it’s the likes of you that would start a flame war and make us all sick. Have a HAPPY DAY. :0) Pooh (with a scarcastic smile on her face, but really doesn’t care) They told me I was crazy. I looked the clowns right in the eye and laughed. MESSAGE 7 in thread ALRIGHT, I will keep my feelings to myself and just go back to lurking. I have been in severe pain and my mood is not one that should ever be on line with any group. And I guess Pooh has the same nasty attitude right now. Sorry about that all, just don’t pay attention to me any longer, just like she said. MESSAGE 8 in thread ALRIGHT, I will keep my feelings to myself and just go back to lurking. I have been in severe pain and my mood is not one that should ever be on line with any group. And I guess Pooh has the same nasty attitude right now. Sorry about that all, just don’t pay attention to me any longer, just like she said. Again, why not dwell on all the positive posts here asking you to stay? If you go looking for negatives, you will certainly find them. Why not reconsider and introduce yourself…there’s plenty of us who would like to get to know you Judy "Close your eyes and surrender to your darkest dreams! Purge your thoughts of the life you knew before! Close your eyes, let your spirit start to soar! And you’ll live as you’ve never lived before . . ." MESSAGE 9 in thread Again, why not dwell on all the positive posts here asking you to stay? If you go looking for negatives, you will certainly find them. Why not reconsider and introduce yourself…there’s plenty of us who would like to get to know you She’s right, there are plenty of us here to offer you support. We all understand pain. Look for the positive. It’s what we all have to do to get through life. Let us get to know you. Amy MESSAGE 10 in thread
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and you still are the Queen of Hugs, RonMum – though I think I remember you and Auntie Helen fighting for that title at one point! Many hugs Jane in AZ *Courage is the power to let go of the familiar*
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks Bob !! I forgot the sig. line about the sock puppet and I am laughing again as I did then… I resemble that remark LOL ~~memories~~ great group then and still a great group… Ppl come and ppl go and I have fond memories of all.. RonMum ASHM Forever! I got to thinking the other day that things really have been peaceful around ASHM for quite a while now. I hope it isn’t bad luck to say this. I have had only one brief experience with a news group other than ASHM. The one I did visit (over a year ago) was called ASC-P (I believe that’s the right designation). I made less than a dozen posts there before I found out that it was a place — at least then — where the pain suffered by the subscribers was nearly matched by the pain they inflicted on one another. Perhaps it’s not still that way — I hope not. I may have come and gone at a bad time, but I promise you that I don’t want to go back to find out. Although conflict never was much of a problem with us, there have been a few isolated moments. With this in mind, I decided this morning to look at some old ASHM threads to see how well, or how poorly, we have handled unrest within OUR group in the past. Most of our posts are available on Google’s archives at <http://groups.google.com and, since the various threads can’t be sorted between "Conflict" and "Non-Conflict" I had to make some random stabs before I found what I wanted. I was looking for an instance where a potential flame war had been averted by civility, and I think I got lucky. The thread I stumbled on was entitled "NOT!!!! joining the group" and reading through it made me proud to be associated with ASHM. The thread runs to 34 posts. It is dated November 1998. A lot of the contributors are no longer posting with us, but they have been replaced in kind. I have included all 34 posts (below). Most of you won’t want to labor through the whole thing, but here it is for reading in detail, or for sampling, whichever you like. After reading it, my own conclusion was, and is, that we are a civilized, superb group of extraordinarily intelligent, appreciative, compassionate, and concerned people (did I miss "perceptive"?), and why someone has not long since organized a parade in our honor is beyond me. I can hear _Stars and Stripes Forever_ and _76 Trombones_ even as I write. I realize that such self-congratulatory praise as this risks drawing in a night crawler or two from the outside. If that happens you have my sincere apology, but it wouldn’t change a thing with such a civilized group as US!. I have left the dialog untouched. Where I felt a need to comment, I have included same in brackets. BobB MESSAGE 1 in thread I have been lurking here for more than a month. I thought this was somewhere I could find support for conditions I will not describe. I have suffered for most of my life alone, I can continue to do so. I have enough trouble with neighbors and family that I will not expose myself to a bunch of flaming strangers. [By "a bunch of flaming strangers" twxtt meant us. I do not know what occasioned her resentment. From what I have observed OUTSIDE ASHM however, such a post would most likely have signaled the start of a free-for-all. --- bb] MESSAGE 2 in thread I have been lurking here for more than a month. I thought this was somewhere I could find support for conditions I will not describe. I have suffered for most of my life alone, I can continue to do so. I have enough trouble with neighbors and family that I will not expose myself to a bunch of flaming strangers. Very sensible decision not to expose yourself to a bunch of flaming strangers! But many of us wouldn’t be strangers if you got to know us ; ). You can still find support for headaches, and will most certainly learn a great deal about medication treatments and options if you continue to read our ng. I wish you well Anne "You must see the infinite, i.e., the universal, in your particular, or it is only gossip."–O.W.Holmes, Jr. MESSAGE 3 in thread I have been lurking here for more than a month. I thought this was somewhere I could find support for conditions I will not describe. Can only assume then that they are related to headache somehow or another. One of the great things about ASHM is our ability to not only find support, but give it to others as well. I have suffered for most of my life alone, I can continue to do so. I have enough trouble with neighbors and family that I will not expose myself to a bunch of flaming strangers. Actually, I hadn’t noticed a "bunch" of flaming strangers here…a couple of people having a dispute, yes. It’s a shame that after more than a month of lurking here you weren’t able to see beyond the current circumstances to notice all of the sharing, caring, concern and occasional humor that abounds here as well. Since you’ve suffered like so many of us, you probably could have gotten and given much here. I hope you will reconsider. Wishing you many pain- free days ahead. Judy "Close your eyes and surrender to your darkest dreams! Purge your thoughts of the life you knew before! Close your eyes, let your spirit start to soar! And you’ll live as you’ve never lived before . . ." MESSAGE 4 in thread Please just take a deep breath .. Shake your head but stay with us. If you think that the ng is a little off center now wait until after Christmas when I find out someone got a bigger and better present than I did… :) Good Luck… RonMum Queen Of Hugs Don"t Be Reckless With Other Peoples Hearts… Don’t Put Up With People Who Are Reckless With YOURS MESSAGE 5 in thread Actually, I hadn’t noticed a "bunch" of flaming strangers here…a couple of people having a dispute, yes. It’s a shame that after more than a month of lurking here you weren’t able to see beyond the current circumstances to notice all of the sharing, caring, oncern and occasional humor that abounds here as well. Since you’ve suffered like so many of us, you probably could have gotten and given much here. I hope you will reconsider. Wishing you many pain- free days ahead. Judy Very well said Toty MESSAGE 6 in thread In all honesty, I have to ask: "So what’s your point?" Because really, there are a lot of us here who love coming together and talking, sharing supporting, laughing and occasionally, there is a Flame war. But do ya know what? there’s this neat option in newsgroups that allows you to filter out unwanted posts…such as flame wars. So if our humble group isn’t good enough for you, then by all means, please don’t join us. How many people lurk and then decide against joining? They don’t care to post such things. In my humble opinion, it’s the likes of you that would start a flame war and make us all sick. Have a HAPPY DAY. :0) Pooh (with a scarcastic smile on her face, but really doesn’t care) They told me I was crazy. I looked the clowns right in the eye and laughed. MESSAGE 7 in thread ALRIGHT, I will keep my feelings to myself and just go back to lurking. I have been in severe pain and my mood is not one that should ever be on line with any group. And I guess Pooh has the same nasty attitude right now. Sorry about that all, just don’t pay attention to me any longer, just like she said. MESSAGE 8 in thread ALRIGHT, I will keep my feelings to myself and just go back to lurking. I have been in severe pain and my mood is not one that should ever be on line with any group. And I guess Pooh has the same nasty attitude right now. Sorry about that all, just don’t pay attention to me any longer, just like she said. Again, why not dwell on all the positive posts here asking you to stay? If you go looking for negatives, you will certainly find them. Why not reconsider and introduce yourself…there’s plenty of us who would
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I heard from Mary C. but that was years ago. Oh and Bob I heard from Roxie about a month ago and she was on her way to Vegas… Expect more charges VBG Did anyone ever get Diane off the boat to India? Couple of years hearing from Jane H. also. She was doing pretty good at that time. Dont pick up one of the cluster groups anymore so havent seen Mario (are you out there?) in some time either. Ronnie
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Did anyone ever track down Mary C? Which Mary was she? Is she the Mary who was the wonderful cook with fantastic recipes for cheesecake etc. That Mary had the husband with clusters who had the big oxygen tank. Oops, no, I think she was Mary F. She was the one with the sig line "No Kitty! it’s MY POT PIE!". I haven’t seen Mary C. post in years. Mary F. did pop back in more recently. Kadee
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So they finally caught up with you for not paying the credit card bill that some of us had a wonderful time on *-) Ronnie
Yes, I contested the portion of the bill that said you and Diane had spent $1000.00 at some site called the Rooster Raunch, thinking it must have been some kind of Dude *ranch* but was informed that the "raunch" part was correct. They had your photo on file. Roxi confirmed it all but I refused to pay, hence, here I be. Did anyone ever track down Mary C? bobW
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So they finally caught up with you for not paying the credit card bill that some of us had a wonderful time on *-) Ronnie
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Bob, This was a wonderful tribute to ASHM! It brought to mind a list from way back around that time period…I joined ASHM at some point in ‘98 until some point in ‘99. I kept this list on the back of one of those clear pocket notebook binders. It happens to be kept right next to my desk (was an integral part of my nursing – held patient info). Anyway, the list was entitled "Headache Phrases that Irritate Us the Most". It looks like it was compiled by jqt. If anyone wants me to repost it, let me know… By all means, Dawn, please do. I, for one, would like to hear from John Q. Taylor again, even second hand. BobB
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please repost JQT’s list, Dawn – that would be terrific! I remember jqt! Hugs Jane in AZ *Courage is the power to let go of the familiar* Bob, This was a wonderful tribute to ASHM! It brought to mind a list from way back around that time period…I joined ASHM at some point in ‘98 until some point in ‘99. I kept this list on the back of one of those clear pocket notebook binders. It happens to be kept right next to my desk (was an integral part of my nursing – held patient info). Anyway, the list was entitled "Headache Phrases that Irritate Us the Most". It looks like it was compiled by jqt. If anyone wants me to repost it, let me know… ~Dawn
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – how eloquent as always Bob! I remember other such discussions where this group was able to pull together despite adversity, convincing others and ourselves that we truly are a wonderful group of people. ASHM is the first newsgroup I ever tried, back when I was having migs every single day and was locked in my apartment by the pain and ASHM was all there was. There was a Magic Bus going on then, and they let me hitch a ride, never questioning my newsgroup ignorance. I never got so many cyber hugs, and have been here ever since, though sometimes only in the background! Thanks everyone – and you too Bob for reminding us of our unity and love. Jane in AZ *Courage is the power to let go of the familiar* ASHM Forever! I got to thinking the other day that things really have been peaceful around ASHM for quite a while now. I hope it isn’t bad luck to say this. I have had only one brief experience with a news group other than ASHM. The one I did visit (over a year ago) was called ASC-P (I believe that’s the right designation). I made less than a dozen posts there before I found out that it was a place — at least then — where the pain suffered by the subscribers was nearly matched by the pain they inflicted on one another. Perhaps it’s not still that way — I hope not. I may have come and gone at a bad time, but I promise you that I don’t want to go back to find out. Although conflict never was much of a problem with us, there have been a few isolated moments. With this in mind, I decided this morning to look at some old ASHM threads to see how well, or how poorly, we have handled unrest within OUR group in the past. Most of our posts are available on Google’s archives at <http://groups.google.com and, since the various threads can’t be sorted between "Conflict" and "Non-Conflict" I had to make some random stabs before I found what I wanted. I was looking for an instance where a potential flame war had been averted by civility, and I think I got lucky. The thread I stumbled on was entitled "NOT!!!! joining the group" and reading through it made me proud to be associated with ASHM. The thread runs to 34 posts. It is dated November 1998. A lot of the contributors are no longer posting with us, but they have been replaced in kind. I have included all 34 posts (below). Most of you won’t want to labor through the whole thing, but here it is for reading in detail, or for sampling, whichever you like. After reading it, my own conclusion was, and is, that we are a civilized, superb group of extraordinarily intelligent, appreciative, compassionate, and concerned people (did I miss "perceptive"?), and why someone has not long since organized a parade in our honor is beyond me. I can hear _Stars and Stripes Forever_ and _76 Trombones_ even as I write. I realize that such self-congratulatory praise as this risks drawing in a night crawler or two from the outside. If that happens you have my sincere apology, but it wouldn’t change a thing with such a civilized group as US!. I have left the dialog untouched. Where I felt a need to comment, I have included same in brackets. BobB MESSAGE 1 in thread I have been lurking here for more than a month. I thought this was somewhere I could find support for conditions I will not describe. I have suffered for most of my life alone, I can continue to do so. I have enough trouble with neighbors and family that I will not expose myself to a bunch of flaming strangers. [By "a bunch of flaming strangers" twxtt meant us. I do not know what occasioned her resentment. From what I have observed OUTSIDE ASHM however, such a post would most likely have signaled the start of a free-for-all. --- bb] MESSAGE 2 in thread I have been lurking here for more than a month. I thought this was somewhere I could find support for conditions I will not describe. I have suffered for most of my life alone, I can continue to do so. I have enough trouble with neighbors and family that I will not expose myself to a bunch of flaming strangers. Very sensible decision not to expose yourself to a bunch of flaming strangers! But many of us wouldn’t be strangers if you got to know us ; ). You can still find support for headaches, and will most certainly learn a great deal about medication treatments and options if you continue to read our ng. I wish you well Anne "You must see the infinite, i.e., the universal, in your particular, or it is only gossip."–O.W.Holmes, Jr. MESSAGE 3 in thread I have been lurking here for more than a month. I thought this was somewhere I could find support for conditions I will not describe. Can only assume then that they are related to headache somehow or another. One of the great things about ASHM is our ability to not only find support, but give it to others as well. I have suffered for most of my life alone, I can continue to do so. I have enough trouble with neighbors and family that I will not expose myself to a bunch of flaming strangers. Actually, I hadn’t noticed a "bunch" of flaming strangers here…a couple of people having a dispute, yes. It’s a shame that after more than a month of lurking here you weren’t able to see beyond the current circumstances to notice all of the sharing, caring, concern and occasional humor that abounds here as well. Since you’ve suffered like so many of us, you probably could have gotten and given much here. I hope you will reconsider. Wishing you many pain- free days ahead. Judy "Close your eyes and surrender to your darkest dreams! Purge your thoughts of the life you knew before! Close your eyes, let your spirit start to soar! And you’ll live as you’ve never lived before . . ." MESSAGE 4 in thread Please just take a deep breath .. Shake your head but stay with us. If you think that the ng is a little off center now wait until after Christmas when I find out someone got a bigger and better present than I did… :) Good Luck… RonMum Queen Of Hugs Don"t Be Reckless With Other Peoples Hearts… Don’t Put Up With People Who Are Reckless With YOURS MESSAGE 5 in thread Actually, I hadn’t noticed a "bunch" of flaming strangers here…a couple of people having a dispute, yes. It’s a shame that after more than a month of lurking here you weren’t able to see beyond the current circumstances to notice all of the sharing, caring, oncern and occasional humor that abounds here as well. Since you’ve suffered like so many of us, you probably could have gotten and given much here. I hope you will reconsider. Wishing you many pain- free days ahead. Judy Very well said Toty MESSAGE 6 in thread In all honesty, I have to ask: "So what’s your point?" Because really, there are a lot of us here who love coming together and talking, sharing supporting, laughing and occasionally, there is a Flame war. But do ya know what? there’s this neat option in newsgroups that allows you to filter out unwanted posts…such as flame wars. So if our humble group isn’t good enough for you, then by all means, please don’t join us.
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Bob, This was a wonderful tribute to ASHM! It brought to mind a list from way back around that time period…I joined ASHM at some point in ‘98 until some point in ‘99. I kept this list on the back of one of those clear pocket notebook binders. It happens to be kept right next to my desk (was an integral part of my nursing – held patient info). Anyway, the list was entitled "Headache Phrases that Irritate Us the Most". It looks like it was compiled by jqt. If anyone wants me to repost it, let me know…
By all means, Dawn, please do. I, for one, would like to hear from John Q. Taylor again, even second hand. BobB —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–== Over 100,000 Newsgroups – 19 Different Servers! =—–
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So how is the ‘Wold of Rohan’ doing these days? Dan
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Indeed…please do. Dan
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – please repost JQT’s list, Dawn – that would be terrific! I remember jqt! Hugs Jane in AZ *Courage is the power to let go of the familiar* Bob, This was a wonderful tribute to ASHM! It brought to mind a list from way back around that time period…I joined ASHM at some point in ‘98 until some point in ‘99. I kept this list on the back of one of those clear pocket notebook binders. It happens to be kept right next to my desk (was an integral part of my nursing – held patient info). Anyway, the list was entitled "Headache Phrases that Irritate Us the Most". It looks like it was compiled by jqt. If anyone wants me to repost it, let me know… ~Dawn how eloquent as always Bob! I remember other such discussions where this group was able to pull together despite adversity, convincing others and ourselves that we truly are a wonderful group of people. ASHM is the first newsgroup I ever tried, back when I was having migs every single day and was locked in my apartment by the pain and ASHM was all there was. There was a Magic Bus going on then, and they let me hitch a ride, never questioning my newsgroup ignorance. I never got so many cyber hugs, and have been here ever since, though sometimes only in the background! Thanks everyone – and you too Bob for reminding us of our unity and love. Jane in AZ *Courage is the power to let go of the familiar* ASHM Forever! I got to thinking the other day that things really have been peaceful around ASHM for quite a while now. I hope it isn’t bad luck to say this. I have had only one brief experience with a news group other than ASHM. The one I did visit (over a year ago) was called ASC-P (I believe that’s the right designation). I made less than a dozen posts there before I found out that it was a place — at least then — where the pain suffered by the subscribers was nearly matched by the pain they inflicted on one another. Perhaps it’s not still that way — I hope not. I may have come and gone at a bad time, but I promise you that I don’t want to go back to find out. Although conflict never was much of a problem with us, there have been a few isolated moments. With this in mind, I decided this morning to look at some old ASHM threads to see how well, or how poorly, we have handled unrest within OUR group in the past. Most of our posts are available on Google’s archives at <http://groups.google.com and, since the various threads can’t be sorted between "Conflict" and "Non-Conflict" I had to make some random stabs before I found what I wanted. I was looking for an instance where a potential flame war had been averted by civility, and I think I got lucky. The thread I stumbled on was entitled "NOT!!!! joining the group" and reading through it made me proud to be associated with ASHM. The thread runs to 34 posts. It is dated November 1998. A lot of the contributors are no longer posting with us, but they have been replaced in kind. I have included all 34 posts (below). Most of you won’t want to labor through the whole thing, but here it is for reading in detail, or for sampling, whichever you like. After reading it, my own conclusion was, and is, that we are a civilized, superb group of extraordinarily intelligent, appreciative, compassionate, and concerned people (did I miss "perceptive"?), and why someone has not long since organized a parade in our honor is beyond me. I can hear _Stars and Stripes Forever_ and _76 Trombones_ even as I write. I realize that such self-congratulatory praise as this risks drawing in a night crawler or two from the outside. If that happens you have my sincere apology, but it wouldn’t change a thing with such a civilized group as US!. I have left the dialog untouched. Where I felt a need to comment, I have included same in brackets. BobB MESSAGE 1 in thread I have been lurking here for more than a month. I thought this was somewhere I could find support for conditions I will not describe. I have suffered for most of my life alone, I can continue to do so. I have enough trouble with neighbors and family that I will not expose myself to a bunch of flaming strangers. [By "a bunch of flaming strangers" twxtt meant us. I do not know what occasioned her resentment. From what I have observed OUTSIDE ASHM however, such a post would most likely have signaled the start of a free-for-all. --- bb] MESSAGE 2 in thread I have been lurking here for more than a month. I thought this was somewhere I could find support for conditions I will not describe. I have suffered for most of my life alone, I can continue to do so. I have enough trouble with neighbors and family that I will not expose myself to a bunch of flaming strangers. Very sensible decision not to expose yourself to a bunch of flaming strangers! But many of us wouldn’t be strangers if you got to know us ; ). You can still find support for headaches, and will most certainly learn a great deal about medication treatments and options if you continue to read our ng. I wish you well Anne "You must see the infinite, i.e., the universal, in your particular, or it is only gossip."–O.W.Holmes, Jr. MESSAGE 3 in thread I have been lurking here for more than a month. I thought this was somewhere I could find support for conditions I will not describe. Can only assume then that they are related to headache somehow or another. One of the great things about ASHM is our ability to not only find support, but give it to others as well. I have suffered for most of my life alone, I can continue to do so. I have enough trouble with neighbors and family that I will not expose myself to a bunch of flaming strangers. Actually, I hadn’t noticed a "bunch" of flaming strangers here…a couple of people having a dispute, yes. It’s a shame that after more than a month of lurking here you weren’t able to see beyond the current circumstances to notice all of the sharing, caring, concern and occasional humor that abounds here as well. Since you’ve suffered like so many of us, you probably could have gotten and given much here. I hope you will reconsider. Wishing you many pain- free days ahead. Judy "Close your eyes and surrender to your darkest dreams! Purge your thoughts of the life you knew before! Close your eyes, let your spirit start to soar! And you’ll live as you’ve never lived before . . ." MESSAGE 4 in thread Please just take a deep breath .. Shake your head but stay with us. If you think that the ng is a little off center now wait until after Christmas when I find out someone got a bigger and better present than I did… :) Good Luck… RonMum Queen Of Hugs Don"t Be Reckless With Other Peoples Hearts… Don’t Put Up With People Who Are Reckless With YOURS MESSAGE 5 in thread Actually, I hadn’t noticed a "bunch" of flaming strangers here…a couple of people having a dispute, yes. It’s a shame that after more than a month of lurking here you weren’t able to see beyond the current circumstances to notice all of the sharing, caring, oncern and occasional humor that abounds here as well. Since you’ve suffered like so many of us, you probably could have gotten and given much here. I hope you will reconsider. Wishing you many pain- free days ahead. Judy Very well said Toty MESSAGE 6 in thread
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Bob, This was a wonderful tribute to ASHM! It brought to mind a list from way back around that time period…I joined ASHM at some point in ‘98 until some point in ‘99. I kept this list on the back of one of those clear pocket notebook binders. It happens to be kept right next to my desk (was an integral part of my nursing – held patient info). Anyway, the list was entitled "Headache Phrases that Irritate Us the Most". It looks like it was compiled by jqt. If anyone wants me to repost it, let me know… ~Dawn – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – how eloquent as always Bob! I remember other such discussions where this group was able to pull together despite adversity, convincing others and ourselves that we truly are a wonderful group of people. ASHM is the first newsgroup I ever tried, back when I was having migs every single day and was locked in my apartment by the pain and ASHM was all there was. There was a Magic Bus going on then, and they let me hitch a ride, never questioning my newsgroup ignorance. I never got so many cyber hugs, and have been here ever since, though sometimes only in the background! Thanks everyone – and you too Bob for reminding us of our unity and love. Jane in AZ *Courage is the power to let go of the familiar* ASHM Forever! I got to thinking the other day that things really have been peaceful around ASHM for quite a while now. I hope it isn’t bad luck to say this. I have had only one brief experience with a news group other than ASHM. The one I did visit (over a year ago) was called ASC-P (I believe that’s the right designation). I made less than a dozen posts there before I found out that it was a place — at least then — where the pain suffered by the subscribers was nearly matched by the pain they inflicted on one another. Perhaps it’s not still that way — I hope not. I may have come and gone at a bad time, but I promise you that I don’t want to go back to find out. Although conflict never was much of a problem with us, there have been a few isolated moments. With this in mind, I decided this morning to look at some old ASHM threads to see how well, or how poorly, we have handled unrest within OUR group in the past. Most of our posts are available on Google’s archives at <http://groups.google.com and, since the various threads can’t be sorted between "Conflict" and "Non-Conflict" I had to make some random stabs before I found what I wanted. I was looking for an instance where a potential flame war had been averted by civility, and I think I got lucky. The thread I stumbled on was entitled "NOT!!!! joining the group" and reading through it made me proud to be associated with ASHM. The thread runs to 34 posts. It is dated November 1998. A lot of the contributors are no longer posting with us, but they have been replaced in kind. I have included all 34 posts (below). Most of you won’t want to labor through the whole thing, but here it is for reading in detail, or for sampling, whichever you like. After reading it, my own conclusion was, and is, that we are a civilized, superb group of extraordinarily intelligent, appreciative, compassionate, and concerned people (did I miss "perceptive"?), and why someone has not long since organized a parade in our honor is beyond me. I can hear _Stars and Stripes Forever_ and _76 Trombones_ even as I write. I realize that such self-congratulatory praise as this risks drawing in a night crawler or two from the outside. If that happens you have my sincere apology, but it wouldn’t change a thing with such a civilized group as US!. I have left the dialog untouched. Where I felt a need to comment, I have included same in brackets. BobB MESSAGE 1 in thread I have been lurking here for more than a month. I thought this was somewhere I could find support for conditions I will not describe. I have suffered for most of my life alone, I can continue to do so. I have enough trouble with neighbors and family that I will not expose myself to a bunch of flaming strangers. [By "a bunch of flaming strangers" twxtt meant us. I do not know what occasioned her resentment. From what I have observed OUTSIDE ASHM however, such a post would most likely have signaled the start of a free-for-all. --- bb] MESSAGE 2 in thread I have been lurking here for more than a month. I thought this was somewhere I could find support for conditions I will not describe. I have suffered for most of my life alone, I can continue to do so. I have enough trouble with neighbors and family that I will not expose myself to a bunch of flaming strangers. Very sensible decision not to expose yourself to a bunch of flaming strangers! But many of us wouldn’t be strangers if you got to know us ; ). You can still find support for headaches, and will most certainly learn a great deal about medication treatments and options if you continue to read our ng. I wish you well Anne "You must see the infinite, i.e., the universal, in your particular, or it is only gossip."–O.W.Holmes, Jr. MESSAGE 3 in thread I have been lurking here for more than a month. I thought this was somewhere I could find support for conditions I will not describe. Can only assume then that they are related to headache somehow or another. One of the great things about ASHM is our ability to not only find support, but give it to others as well. I have suffered for most of my life alone, I can continue to do so. I have enough trouble with neighbors and family that I will not expose myself to a bunch of flaming strangers. Actually, I hadn’t noticed a "bunch" of flaming strangers here…a couple of people having a dispute, yes. It’s a shame that after more than a month of lurking here you weren’t able to see beyond the current circumstances to notice all of the sharing, caring, concern and occasional humor that abounds here as well. Since you’ve suffered like so many of us, you probably could have gotten and given much here. I hope you will reconsider. Wishing you many pain- free days ahead. Judy "Close your eyes and surrender to your darkest dreams! Purge your thoughts of the life you knew before! Close your eyes, let your spirit start to soar! And you’ll live as you’ve never lived before . . ." MESSAGE 4 in thread Please just take a deep breath .. Shake your head but stay with us. If you think that the ng is a little off center now wait until after Christmas when I find out someone got a bigger and better present than I did… :) Good Luck… RonMum Queen Of Hugs Don"t Be Reckless With Other Peoples Hearts… Don’t Put Up With People Who Are Reckless With YOURS MESSAGE 5 in thread Actually, I hadn’t noticed a "bunch" of flaming strangers here…a couple of people having a dispute, yes. It’s a shame that after more than a month of lurking here you weren’t able to see beyond the current circumstances to notice all of the sharing, caring, oncern and occasional humor that abounds here as well. Since you’ve suffered like so many of us, you probably could have gotten and given much here. I hope you will reconsider. Wishing you many pain- free days ahead. Judy Very well said Toty MESSAGE 6 in thread In all honesty, I have to ask: "So what’s your point?" Because really, there are a lot of us here who love coming together and talking, sharing supporting, laughing and occasionally, there is a Flame war. But do ya know what? there’s this neat option in newsgroups that allows you to filter out unwanted posts…such as flame wars. So if our humble group isn’t good enough for you, then by all means, please don’t join us. How many people lurk and then decide against joining? They don’t care to post such things. In my humble opinion, it’s the likes of you that would start a flame war and make us all sick. Have a HAPPY DAY. :0) Pooh (with a scarcastic smile on her face, but really doesn’t care) They told me I was crazy. I looked the clowns right in the eye and laughed. MESSAGE 7 in thread ALRIGHT, I will keep my feelings to myself and just go back to lurking. I have been in severe pain and my mood is not one that should ever be on line with any group. And I guess Pooh has the same nasty
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Everyone is great with one exception.. but then he is not an *everyone* .. ~~~~Evil grin~~~ I still have to figure out how to keep his beak shut ! Ronnie
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I wasnt on the group back in 98 but I did enjoy reading that thread ASHM forever. Loved the sock puppet and finally got to see the origin of my favorite signature tag . . Madness takes its toll, please have exact change. I always loved that one! Its so comforting to know that no matter how far you roam, you can still come back here for a nice hug. I was around before 98 so recognize the names. I’ve made some great friend here . Kadee
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I heard from Mary C. but that was years ago. Oh and Bob I heard from Roxie about a month ago and she was on her way to Vegas… Expect more charges VBG Did anyone ever get Diane off the boat to India? Couple of years hearing from Jane H. also. She was doing pretty good at that time. Dont pick up one of the cluster groups anymore so havent seen Mario (are you out there?) in some time either. Ronnie
I wasnt on the group back in 98 but I did enjoy reading that thread ASHM forever. Loved the sock puppet and finally got to see the origin of my favorite signature tag . . Madness takes its toll, please have exact change. I always loved that one! Its so comforting to know that no matter how far you roam, you can still come back here for a nice hug. Red
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He was labeled the group clown :-) Yes Japan Ronnie
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Mario the Italian living in Japan, right? He was such a sweetie, with a wicked sense of humor! Jane in AZ *Courage is the power to let go of the familiar* I heard from Mary C. but that was years ago. Oh and Bob I heard from Roxie about a month ago and she was on her way to Vegas… Expect more charges VBG Did anyone ever get Diane off the boat to India? Couple of years hearing from Jane H. also. She was doing pretty good at that time. Dont pick up one of the cluster groups anymore so havent seen Mario (are you out there?) in some time either. Ronnie Did anyone ever track down Mary C? Which Mary was she? Is she the Mary who was the wonderful cook with fantastic recipes for cheesecake etc. That Mary had the husband with clusters who had the big oxygen tank. Oops, no, I think she was Mary F. She was the one with the sig line "No Kitty! it’s MY POT PIE!". I haven’t seen Mary C. post in years. Mary F. did pop back in more recently. Kadee
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Mario the Italian living in Japan, right? He was such a sweetie, with a wicked sense of humor! Jane in AZ *Courage is the power to let go of the familiar*
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I heard from Mary C. but that was years ago. Oh and Bob I heard from Roxie about a month ago and she was on her way to Vegas… Expect more charges VBG Did anyone ever get Diane off the boat to India? Couple of years hearing from Jane H. also. She was doing pretty good at that time. Dont pick up one of the cluster groups anymore so havent seen Mario (are you out there?) in some time either. Ronnie Did anyone ever track down Mary C? Which Mary was she? Is she the Mary who was the wonderful cook with fantastic recipes for cheesecake etc. That Mary had the husband with clusters who had the big oxygen tank. Oops, no, I think she was Mary F. She was the one with the sig line "No Kitty! it’s MY POT PIE!". I haven’t seen Mary C. post in years. Mary F. did pop back in more recently. Kadee
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that WAS fun wasn’t it! I think we got him paroled to drive the Bus, didn’t we? Jane in AZ *Courage is the power to let go of the familiar*
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So they finally caught up with you for not paying the credit card bill that some of us had a wonderful time on *-) Ronnie What? Was I sick that day or on KP??? LOL That was quite a group of people back then. (not that the current group isn’t) I’m glad we were able to rehab most of them and help them re-enter society and go on to lead happy normal lives. I want to know who gave the bad reference to the parole board about me. Last I heard they were enforcing my life sentence. Just ain’t fair I tell ya!! BobW thanks BobB ASHM Forever!
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So how is the ‘Wold of Rohan’ doing these days? Dan
Thanks for asking Dan. My quest of the ring continues. It has been a battle of epic proportions and you should see part 4 in theaters near you in the fall. "Wormtongue’s Revenge" A family of sinister beings from inner earth, known in modern day terms as raccoons recently were caught destroying the wold’s waterfall, tearing away the water supply lines in an attempt to drive the wold’s large, imported koi into dehydration and submission. The tactic worked as the pond in which they lived happily, was drained into the neighboring lowlands. Nearly a dozen of the koi were found drying in the early morning sun. The remaining poor souls were rescued as the floundered about in the rocks, tearing at their scales and the hearts of the children of the wold’s inhabitants. Hope springs eternal in the land as several of the assailants have been tracked down and summarily executed. New residents have been dispatched from the mystical land of Ebay and will be arriving soon upon the wings of the feathered giant UPS. As the savage underworld averted our attention towards the bloodied shores, thieving scoundrels from the city of Edoras made off with the new chariot of the wold’s eldest hobbit, Philunwise. Dark Lord Sauron and his underwriters have decreed that there shall be no renumeration for the great loss and it appears that Philunwise has been sentenced to 4 and 1/2 years of penance, sending in his usual donations each month for a chariot that is no longer in his domain. This shall be his punishment for leaving the universal starting implement in the chariot, whilst he bargained for the short term use of a visual disc in the foreboding land of Blockbuster. We have called upon the aid of Legolas’ legal advisors in an attempt to send the swine of Sauron to meet with the now lost souls of the raccoons for may they all dwell in the fires of the Nazgul and tortured forever by the Witch King of Angmar. Besides that….I’m OK, how about you? 
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I think things are going a bit better on my end than yours. Just to damn hot to do yard work so I sit here drinking a soda and dinking around on the PC. Beyond that life has been good…busy…but good! Dan
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So how is the ‘Wold of Rohan’ doing these days? Dan Thanks for asking Dan. My quest of the ring continues. It has been a battle of epic proportions and you should see part 4 in theaters near you in the fall. "Wormtongue’s Revenge" A family of sinister beings from inner earth, known in modern day terms as raccoons recently were caught destroying the wold’s waterfall, tearing away the water supply lines in an attempt to drive the wold’s large, imported koi into dehydration and submission. The tactic worked as the pond in which they lived happily, was drained into the neighboring lowlands. Nearly a dozen of the koi were found drying in the early morning sun. The remaining poor souls were rescued as the floundered about in the rocks, tearing at their scales and the hearts of the children of the wold’s inhabitants. Hope springs eternal in the land as several of the assailants have been tracked down and summarily executed. New residents have been dispatched from the mystical land of Ebay and will be arriving soon upon the wings of the feathered giant UPS. As the savage underworld averted our attention towards the bloodied shores, thieving scoundrels from the city of Edoras made off with the new chariot of the wold’s eldest hobbit, Philunwise. Dark Lord Sauron and his underwriters have decreed that there shall be no renumeration for the great loss and it appears that Philunwise has been sentenced to 4 and 1/2 years of penance, sending in his usual donations each month for a chariot that is no longer in his domain. This shall be his punishment for leaving the universal starting implement in the chariot, whilst he bargained for the short term use of a visual disc in the foreboding land of Blockbuster. We have called upon the aid of Legolas’ legal advisors in an attempt to send the swine of Sauron to meet with the now lost souls of the raccoons for may they all dwell in the fires of the Nazgul and tortured forever by the Witch King of Angmar. Besides that….I’m OK, how about you? BobW
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Mushrooms again? Ronnie
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So how is the ‘Wold of Rohan’ doing these days? Dan Thanks for asking Dan. My quest of the ring continues. It has been a battle of epic proportions and you should see part 4 in theaters near you in the fall. "Wormtongue’s Revenge" A family of sinister beings from inner earth, known in modern day terms as raccoons recently were caught destroying the wold’s waterfall, tearing away the water supply lines in an attempt to drive the wold’s large, imported koi into dehydration and submission. The tactic worked as the pond in which they lived happily, was drained into the neighboring lowlands. Nearly a dozen of the koi were found drying in the early morning sun. The remaining poor souls were rescued as the floundered about in the rocks, tearing at their scales and the hearts of the children of the wold’s inhabitants. Hope springs eternal in the land as several of the assailants have been tracked down and summarily executed. New residents have been dispatched from the mystical land of Ebay and will be arriving soon upon the wings of the feathered giant UPS. As the savage underworld averted our attention towards the bloodied shores, thieving scoundrels from the city of Edoras made off with the new chariot of the wold’s eldest hobbit, Philunwise. Dark Lord Sauron and his underwriters have decreed that there shall be no renumeration for the great loss and it appears that Philunwise has been sentenced to 4 and 1/2 years of penance, sending in his usual donations each month for a chariot that is no longer in his domain. This shall be his punishment for leaving the universal starting implement in the chariot, whilst he bargained for the short term use of a visual disc in the foreboding land of Blockbuster. We have called upon the aid of Legolas’ legal advisors in an attempt to send the swine of Sauron to meet with the now lost souls of the raccoons for may they all dwell in the fires of the Nazgul and tortured forever by the Witch King of Angmar. Besides that….I’m OK, how about you? BobW
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From me too !!! John had such a way with words. If you are peeking in from time to time but just dont have the energy to post… we miss you ! Ronnie Reciever of one of your wonderful poems – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Indeed…please do. Dan please repost JQT’s list, Dawn – that would be terrific! I remember jqt! Hugs Jane in AZ *Courage is the power to let go of the familiar* Bob, This was a wonderful tribute to ASHM! It brought to mind a list from way back around that time period…I joined ASHM at some point in ‘98 until some point in ‘99. I kept this list on the back of one of those clear pocket notebook binders. It happens to be kept right next to my desk (was an integral part of my nursing – held patient info). Anyway, the list was entitled "Headache Phrases that Irritate Us the Most". It looks like it was compiled by jqt. If anyone wants me to repost it, let me know… ~Dawn how eloquent as always Bob! I remember other such discussions where this group was able to pull together despite adversity, convincing others and ourselves that we truly are a wonderful group of people. ASHM is the first newsgroup I ever tried, back when I was having migs every single day and was locked in my apartment by the pain and ASHM was all there was. There was a Magic Bus going on then, and they let me hitch a ride, never questioning my newsgroup ignorance. I never got so many cyber hugs, and have been here ever since, though sometimes only in the background! Thanks everyone – and you too Bob for reminding us of our unity and love. Jane in AZ *Courage is the power to let go of the familiar* ASHM Forever! I got to thinking the other day that things really have been peaceful around ASHM for quite a while now. I hope it isn’t bad luck to say this. I have had only one brief experience with a news group other than ASHM. The one I did visit (over a year ago) was called ASC-P (I believe that’s the right designation). I made less than a dozen posts there before I found out that it was a place — at least then — where the pain suffered by the subscribers was nearly matched by the pain they inflicted on one another. Perhaps it’s not still that way — I hope not. I may have come and gone at a bad time, but I promise you that I don’t want to go back to find out. Although conflict never was much of a problem with us, there have been a few isolated moments. With this in mind, I decided this morning to look at some old ASHM threads to see how well, or how poorly, we have handled unrest within OUR group in the past. Most of our posts are available on Google’s archives at <http://groups.google.com and, since the various threads can’t be sorted between "Conflict" and "Non-Conflict" I had to make some random stabs before I found what I wanted. I was looking for an instance where a potential flame war had been averted by civility, and I think I got lucky. The thread I stumbled on was entitled "NOT!!!! joining the group" and reading through it made me proud to be associated with ASHM. The thread runs to 34 posts. It is dated November 1998. A lot of the contributors are no longer posting with us, but they have been replaced in kind. I have included all 34 posts (below). Most of you won’t want to labor through the whole thing, but here it is for reading in detail, or for sampling, whichever you like. After reading it, my own conclusion was, and is, that we are a civilized, superb group of extraordinarily intelligent, appreciative, compassionate, and concerned people (did I miss "perceptive"?), and why someone has not long since organized a parade in our honor is beyond me. I can hear _Stars and Stripes Forever_ and _76 Trombones_ even as I write. I realize that such self-congratulatory praise as this risks drawing in a night crawler or two from the outside. If that happens you have my sincere apology, but it wouldn’t change a thing with such a civilized group as US!. I have left the dialog untouched. Where I felt a need to comment, I have included same in brackets. BobB MESSAGE 1 in thread I have been lurking here for more than a month. I thought this was somewhere I could find support for conditions I will not describe. I have suffered for most of my life alone, I can continue to do so. I have enough trouble with neighbors and family that I will not expose myself to a bunch of flaming strangers. [By "a bunch of flaming strangers" twxtt meant us. I do not know what occasioned her resentment. From what I have observed OUTSIDE ASHM however, such a post would most likely have signaled the start of a free-for-all. --- bb] MESSAGE 2 in thread I have been lurking here for more than a month. I thought this was somewhere I could find support for conditions I will not describe. I have suffered for most of my life alone, I can continue to do so. I have enough trouble with neighbors and family that I will not expose myself to a bunch of flaming strangers. Very sensible decision not to expose yourself to a bunch of flaming strangers! But many of us wouldn’t be strangers if you got to know us ; ). You can still find support for headaches, and will most certainly learn a great deal about medication treatments and options if you continue to read our ng. I wish you well Anne "You must see the infinite, i.e., the universal, in your particular, or it is only gossip."–O.W.Holmes, Jr. MESSAGE 3 in thread I have been lurking here for more than a month. I thought this was somewhere I could find support for conditions I will not describe. Can only assume then that they are related to headache somehow or another. One of the great things about ASHM is our ability to not only find support, but give it to others as well. I have suffered for most of my life alone, I can continue to do so. I have enough trouble with neighbors and family that I will not expose myself to a bunch of flaming strangers. Actually, I hadn’t noticed a "bunch" of flaming strangers here…a couple of people having a dispute, yes. It’s a shame that after more than a month of lurking here you weren’t able to see beyond the current circumstances to notice all of the sharing, caring, concern and occasional humor that abounds here as well. Since you’ve suffered like so many of us, you probably could have gotten and given much here. I hope you will reconsider. Wishing you many pain- free days ahead. Judy "Close your eyes and surrender to your darkest dreams! Purge your thoughts of the life you knew before! Close your eyes, let your spirit start to soar! And you’ll live as you’ve never lived before . . ." MESSAGE 4 in thread Please just take a deep breath .. Shake your head but stay with us. If you think that the ng is a little off center now wait until after Christmas when I find out someone got a bigger and better present than I did… :) Good Luck… RonMum Queen Of Hugs Don"t Be Reckless With Other Peoples Hearts… Don’t Put Up With People Who Are Reckless With YOURS MESSAGE 5 in thread
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