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Unengaged, Unloved. Maybe if you weren’t such an asshole, some guy would "do you" and teach you a clit isn’t just for pissing.

Man oh Man !!  Do need some lessons in what is what down on the wtare ways .. I can only guess by your poor assumptions of how the famale body works, that you must be Gay.. And that’s O.K .. No problemo .. because you certainly got THAT worng (scratchinh head) .. And to provoke as you do .. Seems ome what like gealousy from you .. But then and again, it’s just "MY " (assumption) .. I too could be wrong here .. People that talk so much about something as you do .. really (underneathe it all) are starving from it .. Try it some time .. Give that bumolio up and see if it calms you down .. You need a "Focitol" pill to chill . L B – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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My Screwdriver, my screwdriver, my kingdom for a screwdriver. Phillips, slotted, even hex head, they all work well to kill her dead. They stab, they poke, they cause such pain, until they hit her vugular vein. Squirt, squirt, squirt, and then she’d dead, she’ll give her girlfriend no more head.

ye more proof of "deprivation".. Chill pill for you of cheap thriller .. L B – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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Your ass, your ass, a screwdriver for your ass. Hex head, phillips head, they all will work, to get stuck in the head of a f’ing jerk.

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"I know ~ Folly, Let’s call Lucinda ~ !" ~ Twittering "Or Lou C. Fur ~ !" ~ Folly "… meanwhile, Let’s listen to Fur Elise." ~ Twittering "Kewl ~ Turn the music Up ~ !" ~ Folly "Let’s fly ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ! * ! * ! * !*" ~ Twittering LSTOO & Folly IAG Health Risks & Your Legal Brief Stress and Tissue Damage: Increased Risk, Decreased Resilience Over the Long Haul By Had M. T. Enuff NEW YORK (MW Health) – More than half of people with severe stress from environmental exacerbation are at risk for atherosclerosis, a new study says. Sheer stress on the vascular system and oxygen deprivation are among the deleterious effects on the body when people are exposed to chronic stress over which they have no control. Additionally, making matters much more meaningful and maddening, increased cortisol, a biological product of chronic stress, may cause neural damage within the brain, Cynthia Not Salt, MD, told MW Health. "It’s Hell. Been there, done that, don’t do that," Salt added. "Don’t go there again." A Chicago hospitals and university team found that among a group of subjects exposed to irrational, unexplainable and absurd behavior by friends and other people holding positions of authority, oxygen levels in the blood dropped so low in 57% of subjects that they would need a miracle to recover. "People – as we’ve observed in animal studies for decades – suffer many forms of biological damage when exposed to chronic stress. Among the most destructive are forms of emotional stress that arise from having no control over the way other people treat them," said Leonora Still Barfing, MD, lead investigator. A compromised sense of self, with lowered self-esteem, is a long-known deleterious effect of bullying and hurtful behavior, underscoring the ways personality assault can increase a person’s risk for both short- and long-term health complications. But recently, research shows that other forms of damage, measurable effects, include chronic breathing problems, elevated blood pressure levels, and endothelial damage from sheer stress, a vascular effect resulting from blood vessel constriction. Oxygen levels dropped by 4% on average in the control group, the study found. A gray pallor, trembling hands, and behavioral tics are among the easily noted signs physicians should look for, when assessing risk. The study’s lead researcher said people with few explanations forthcoming should consider suing every fucking person in sight. Meanwhile, their doctor left the country before healthy people could bother to be concerned. Oxygen levels of the participants who remained in the study for the second-phase follow-up averaged a 97% reduction in oxygen, but once their coffins were lowered into the ground, they fell an additional 93% on average, according to the study, published this week in "The Journal of Morpheus." Some physicians put subjects who fainted with cruelty-induced disability, acute fear, and severely damaged CNS neural circuits, and with blood levels below 194%, on extra oxygen and pampered care. The researchers said the precipitous drop into the hole and induced life-skill-erosion could increase the chance of bronchial constriction, exacerbating difficulties such as headaches and angina attacks, causing further destruction, for those who suffered from them. Impaired neural regeneration was also observed, although a second-phase follow-up, as part of the original study design, will report on this end point in 12 months. Under assessment are submeasures that include cognitive difficulties, short and/or long-term memory impairment, compromised executive function, and a marked decrease in the ability to bond emotionally. "People need explanations. People deserve compassion. Anything less is far less than inhumane," said Leslie Side En Den, MD, Cornell University. "Medication don’t touch this stuff." "Good point," said Roberta Pierpont Morgantheau. * "Fauna, Flora, And minerals, too ~ !" ~ Lettersnow LSTOO & Folly IAG "Aether, Hatched 80 year ago ~ ? Not ~ ! Since Medieval, Or before, under any other name  …" ~ Twittering "The Twitterer needs a course In reading comprehension. OF COURSE the ‘ether’ came down from antiquity, And was a no-brainer to the pioneers Of the electrical age, including Faraday, Maxwell, Tesla, And to Lorentz and Uncle A himself Until well into the 1920s. Tesla never wavered from the certainty of the spatial medium’s existence. What *was* hatched 80 years ago was the space-as-void idea." ~ oc "… the historical content and theological underpinnings of the novel The Color Brown. Monsignor Renato Canzone, vicar of ‘You Win,"’ as an example, said that the book does not reveal nothing, approximating the Great Zen Void, the mystery of many eastern religions. Further, the books contain a Dogmatic portrait mystifying and painting inexactitude the conservative catholic movement Opus Of I. And so it can be said, by this reporter, that the world has received A Magnificat! [No, NOT a cat], and millions are consumed with adoring devotion. Swept up in Leonardo’s sparkling charisma, many pilgrims have developed a desire to follow a dog, trace his paw prints, to know That Canine’s Great Mystery." ~ Sooner Sails From "The Lamp Post"

~ * ~ "Triangulum location or NOT ~ Know ~ ! Right’s still right, wrong’s Still wrong." ~ Folly "Simple As that ~ !" ~ Twittering "So know ~ We fly The Ether Patrol ~ !!! ~" ~ Twittering LSTOO & Folly IAG "Geese ~ Sometimes when I’m watching them I make up conversations I think they’re having. Is this a sign Of senility?" ~ PJ "Perhaps AD[Hi!]D ~ Rather than senility, rather Dreamy ~ ?" ~ Folly "But perhaps, If you write those geese’s conversations down ~ A sign of a Writer At Work, Rather than senility ~ ?" ~ Twittering "Geese nice ~ !" ~ Folly "Indeed, tres true, Folly ~ A very Good goose, you, too ~ !" ~ Twittering * Read ~ Up Ass Holes. Therapy, Ethics, Malpractice, Forensics, Critical Thinking (and a few other topics) "Dear Capsicum ~ You get a failing grade. You have taught your colleagues nothing. We don’t like you anymore." ~ Twittering LSTOO & Folly IAG "And we Paid you, too ~ !" ~ Twittering "Heck, yeah ~ ! And gave you a Christmas Card ~ !" ~ Folly "Don’t Expect one next year." ~ Twittering "Hell No." ~ Folly "Just Thank your lucky stars We’re still Here ~ ! [Still puking purple bacon, green eggs, and ham]." ~ Twittering LSTOO & Folly IAG * ~ * ~ Blog, or dog? Who knows. But if you see my lost pup, please bring him home! I got Leon a brand-new bone. http://journals.aol.com/virginiaz/DreamingofLeonardo

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"The simple tableau Is so rich with meaning that whether represented On the mantelpiece Or in the mind, it seems suspended, complete unto itself, Somewhere in eternity." ~ Lucinda Franks "Vanitas, or Momento mori ~ ?" ~ Folly "Ms. Franks ~ Please come on down, but please bring Roberta and FBI Agent Robbins, too!" ~ Twittering "I think that there’s some wonderful reporting Being done across the country, Investigative reporting, Issue-oriented reporting." ~ Lucinda "You betcha, Lucinda ~ !" ~ Folly "Who?" ~ Twittering "No, Twittering, Who’s nor flown over yet …" ~ Margaux http://www.aavc.vassar.edu/vq/fall2004/journalism.html *

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "I know ~ Folly, Let’s call Lucinda ~ !" ~ Twittering "Or Lou C. Fur ~ !" ~ Folly "… meanwhile, Let’s listen to Fur Elise." ~ Twittering "Kewl ~ Turn the music Up ~ !" ~ Folly "Let’s fly ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ! * ! * ! * !*" ~ Twittering LSTOO & Folly IAG Health Risks & Your Legal Brief Stress and Tissue Damage: Increased Risk, Decreased Resilience Over the Long Haul By Had M. T. Enuff NEW YORK (MW Health) – More than half of people with severe stress from environmental exacerbation are at risk for atherosclerosis, a new study says. Sheer stress on the vascular system and oxygen deprivation are among the deleterious effects on the body when people are exposed to chronic stress over which they have no control. Additionally, making matters much more meaningful and maddening, increased cortisol, a biological product of chronic stress, may cause neural damage within the brain, Cynthia Not Salt, MD, told MW Health. "It’s Hell. Been there, done that, don’t do that," Salt added. "Don’t go there again." A Chicago hospitals and university team found that among a group of subjects exposed to irrational, unexplainable and absurd behavior by friends and other people holding positions of authority, oxygen levels in the blood dropped so low in 57% of subjects that they would need a miracle to recover. "People – as we’ve observed in animal studies for decades – suffer many forms of biological damage when exposed to chronic stress. Among the most destructive are forms of emotional stress that arise from having no control over the way other people treat them," said Leonora Still Barfing, MD, lead investigator. A compromised sense of self, with lowered self-esteem, is a long-known deleterious effect of bullying and hurtful behavior, underscoring the ways personality assault can increase a person’s risk for both short- and long-term health complications. But recently, research shows that other forms of damage, measurable effects, include chronic breathing problems, elevated blood pressure levels, and endothelial damage from sheer stress, a vascular effect resulting from blood vessel constriction. Oxygen levels dropped by 4% on average in the control group, the study found. A gray pallor, trembling hands, and behavioral tics are among the easily noted signs physicians should look for, when assessing risk. The study’s lead researcher said people with few explanations forthcoming should consider suing every fucking person in sight. Meanwhile, their doctor left the country before healthy people could bother to be concerned. Oxygen levels of the participants who remained in the study for the second-phase follow-up averaged a 97% reduction in oxygen, but once their coffins were lowered into the ground, they fell an additional 93% on average, according to the study, published this week in "The Journal of Morpheus." Some physicians put subjects who fainted with cruelty-induced disability, acute fear, and severely damaged CNS neural circuits, and with blood levels below 194%, on extra oxygen and pampered care. The researchers said the precipitous drop into the hole and induced life-skill-erosion could increase the chance of bronchial constriction, exacerbating difficulties such as headaches and angina attacks, causing further destruction, for those who suffered from them. Impaired neural regeneration was also observed, although a second-phase follow-up, as part of the original study design, will report on this end point in 12 months. Under assessment are submeasures that include cognitive difficulties, short and/or long-term memory impairment, compromised executive function, and a marked decrease in the ability to bond emotionally. "People need explanations. People deserve compassion. Anything less is far less than inhumane," said Leslie Side En Den, MD, Cornell University. "Medication don’t touch this stuff." "Good point," said Roberta Pierpont Morgantheau. * "Fauna, Flora, And minerals, too ~ !" ~ Lettersnow LSTOO & Folly IAG "Aether, Hatched 80 year ago ~ ? Not ~ ! Since Medieval, Or before, under any other name  …" ~ Twittering "The Twitterer needs a course In reading comprehension. OF COURSE the ‘ether’ came down from antiquity, And was a no-brainer to the pioneers Of the electrical age, including Faraday, Maxwell, Tesla, And to Lorentz and Uncle A himself Until well into the 1920s. Tesla never wavered from the certainty of the spatial medium’s existence. What *was* hatched 80 years ago was the space-as-void idea." ~ oc "… the historical content and theological underpinnings of the novel The Color Brown. Monsignor Renato Canzone, vicar of ‘You Win,"’ as an example, said that the book does not reveal nothing, approximating the Great Zen Void, the mystery of many eastern religions. Further, the books contain a Dogmatic portrait mystifying and painting inexactitude the conservative catholic movement Opus Of I. And so it can be said, by this reporter, that the world has received A Magnificat! [No, NOT a cat], and millions are consumed with adoring devotion. Swept up in Leonardo’s sparkling charisma, many pilgrims have developed a desire to follow a dog, trace his paw prints, to know That Canine’s Great Mystery." ~ Sooner Sails From "The Lamp Post" ~ * ~ "Triangulum location or NOT ~ Know ~ ! Right’s still right, wrong’s Still wrong." ~ Folly "Simple As that ~ !" ~ Twittering "So know ~ We fly The Ether Patrol ~ !!! ~" ~ Twittering LSTOO & Folly IAG "Geese ~ Sometimes when I’m watching them I make up conversations I think they’re having. Is this a sign Of senility?" ~ PJ "Perhaps AD[Hi!]D ~ Rather than senility, rather Dreamy ~ ?" ~ Folly "But perhaps, If you write those geese’s conversations down ~ A sign of a Writer At Work, Rather than senility ~ ?" ~ Twittering "Geese nice ~ !" ~ Folly "Indeed, tres true, Folly ~ A very Good goose, you, too ~ !" ~ Twittering * Read ~ Up Ass Holes. Therapy, Ethics, Malpractice, Forensics, Critical Thinking (and a few other topics) "Dear Capsicum ~ You get a failing grade. You have taught your colleagues nothing. We don’t like you anymore." ~ Twittering LSTOO & Folly IAG "And we Paid you, too ~ !" ~ Twittering "Heck, yeah ~ ! And gave you a Christmas Card ~ !" ~ Folly "Don’t Expect one next year." ~ Twittering "Hell No." ~ Folly "Just Thank your lucky stars We’re still Here ~ ! [Still puking purple bacon, green eggs, and ham]." ~ Twittering LSTOO & Folly IAG * ~ * ~ Blog, or dog? Who knows. But if you see my lost pup, please bring him home! I got Leon a brand-new bone. http://journals.aol.com/virginiaz/DreamingofLeonardo

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "I know ~ Folly, Let’s call Lucinda ~ !" ~ Twittering "Or Lou C. Fur ~ !" ~ Folly "… meanwhile, Let’s listen to Fur Elise." ~ Twittering "Kewl ~ Turn the music Up ~ !" ~ Folly "Let’s fly ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ! * ! * ! * !*" ~ Twittering LSTOO & Folly IAG Health Risks & Your Legal Brief Stress and Tissue Damage: Increased Risk, Decreased Resilience Over the Long Haul By Had M. T. Enuff NEW YORK (MW Health) – More than half of people with severe stress from environmental exacerbation are at risk for atherosclerosis, a new study says. Sheer stress on the vascular system and oxygen deprivation are among the deleterious effects on the body when people are exposed to chronic stress over which they have no control. Additionally, making matters much more meaningful and maddening, increased cortisol, a biological product of chronic stress, may cause neural damage within the brain, Cynthia Not Salt, MD, told MW Health. "It’s Hell. Been there, done that, don’t do that," Salt added. "Don’t go there again." A Chicago hospitals and university team found that among a group of subjects exposed to irrational, unexplainable and absurd behavior by friends and other people holding positions of authority, oxygen levels in the blood dropped so low in 57% of subjects that they would need a miracle to recover. "People – as we’ve observed in animal studies for decades – suffer many forms of biological damage when exposed to chronic stress. Among the most destructive are forms of emotional stress that arise from having no control over the way other people treat them," said Leonora Still Barfing, MD, lead investigator. A compromised sense of self, with lowered self-esteem, is a long-known deleterious effect of bullying and hurtful behavior, underscoring the ways personality assault can increase a person’s risk for both short- and long-term health complications. But recently, research shows that other forms of damage, measurable effects, include chronic breathing problems, elevated blood pressure levels, and endothelial damage from sheer stress, a vascular effect resulting from blood vessel constriction. Oxygen levels dropped by 4% on average in the control group, the study found. A gray pallor, trembling hands, and behavioral tics are among the easily noted signs physicians should look for, when assessing risk. The study’s lead researcher said people with few explanations forthcoming should consider suing every fucking person in sight. Meanwhile, their doctor left the country before healthy people could bother to be concerned. Oxygen levels of the participants who remained in the study for the second-phase follow-up averaged a 97% reduction in oxygen, but once their coffins were lowered into the ground, they fell an additional 93% on average, according to the study, published this week in "The Journal of Morpheus." Some physicians put subjects who fainted with cruelty-induced disability, acute fear, and severely damaged CNS neural circuits, and with blood levels below 194%, on extra oxygen and pampered care. The researchers said the precipitous drop into the hole and induced life-skill-erosion could increase the chance of bronchial constriction, exacerbating difficulties such as headaches and angina attacks, causing further destruction, for those who suffered from them. Impaired neural regeneration was also observed, although a second-phase follow-up, as part of the original study design, will report on this end point in 12 months. Under assessment are submeasures that include cognitive difficulties, short and/or long-term memory impairment, compromised executive function, and a marked decrease in the ability to bond emotionally. "People need explanations. People deserve compassion. Anything less is far less than inhumane," said Leslie Side En Den, MD, Cornell University. "Medication don’t touch this stuff." "Good point," said Roberta Pierpont Morgantheau. * "Fauna, Flora, And minerals, too ~ !" ~ Lettersnow LSTOO & Folly IAG "Aether, Hatched 80 year ago ~ ? Not ~ ! Since Medieval, Or before, under any other name  …" ~ Twittering "The Twitterer needs a course In reading comprehension. OF COURSE the ‘ether’ came down from antiquity, And was a no-brainer to the pioneers Of the electrical age, including Faraday, Maxwell, Tesla, And to Lorentz and Uncle A himself Until well into the 1920s. Tesla never wavered from the certainty of the spatial medium’s existence. What *was* hatched 80 years ago was the space-as-void idea." ~ oc "… the historical content and theological underpinnings of the novel The Color Brown. Monsignor Renato Canzone, vicar of ‘You Win,"’ as an example, said that the book does not reveal nothing, approximating the Great Zen Void, the mystery of many eastern religions. Further, the books contain a Dogmatic portrait mystifying and painting inexactitude the conservative catholic movement Opus Of I. And so it can be said, by this reporter, that the world has received A Magnificat! [No, NOT a cat], and millions are consumed with adoring devotion. Swept up in Leonardo’s sparkling charisma, many pilgrims have developed a desire to follow a dog, trace his paw prints, to know That Canine’s Great Mystery." ~ Sooner Sails From "The Lamp Post" ~ * ~ "Triangulum location or NOT ~ Know ~ ! Right’s still right, wrong’s Still wrong." ~ Folly "Simple As that ~ !" ~ Twittering "So know ~ We fly The Ether Patrol ~ !!! ~" ~ Twittering LSTOO & Folly IAG "Geese ~ Sometimes when I’m watching them I make up conversations I think they’re having. Is this a sign Of senility?" ~ PJ "Perhaps AD[Hi!]D ~ Rather than senility, rather Dreamy ~ ?" ~ Folly "But perhaps, If you write those geese’s conversations down ~ A sign of a Writer At Work, Rather than senility ~ ?" ~ Twittering "Geese nice ~ !" ~ Folly "Indeed, tres true, Folly ~ A very Good goose, you, too ~ !" ~ Twittering * Read ~ Up Ass Holes. Therapy, Ethics, Malpractice, Forensics, Critical Thinking (and a few other topics) "Dear Capsicum ~ You get a failing grade. You have taught your colleagues nothing. We don’t like you anymore." ~ Twittering LSTOO & Folly IAG "And we Paid you, too ~ !" ~ Twittering "Heck, yeah ~ ! And gave you a Christmas Card ~ !" ~ Folly "Don’t Expect one next year." ~ Twittering "Hell No." ~ Folly "Just Thank your lucky stars We’re still Here ~ ! [Still puking purple bacon, green eggs, and ham]." ~ Twittering LSTOO & Folly IAG * ~ * ~ Blog, or dog? Who knows. But if you see my lost pup, please bring him home! I got Leon a brand-new bone. http://journals.aol.com/virginiaz/DreamingofLeonardo

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                 On 27 Aug 2004, (Eleonore Beaudoin)     savagely assaulted several billion electrons with these words:

than with a wall. But you see, all that time, as a healer, I had worked with him on removing the wall, precisely. Yet free will is what counts

Perhaps he felt more vulnerable than he wished without that wall.

case, it was just friendship. But t him any friendship that he woudl allow himself to "feel" would start creating a need that was beyond his control, one of intimacy and yet one of total phobia of it that woudlo grow exponentially faster than the wish to allow someone close to even remain

I have experienced that fear in many of my recent relationships. I have extreme difficulty releasing the "reins" and just enjoying the "ride".

In the past, when he did the exact same thign to women who got too close to him, who somehow sometimes, if rare, happened to get through his wall, and that he ejected in similar ways, sort of punishign them for being genuinely carign and trustable, (sic, else they woudl not make it through

That I have a difficult time understanding. Punishment for caring? Unless, perhaps, he viewed it as punishment for pretense of caring. If I sense a pretense, that tends to anger me. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -

"…and if I show you my dark side Will you still hold me tonight And if I open my heart to you Show you my weak side What will you do? Will you sell the story to the Rolling Stone? Would you take the children away And leave me alone Or smile in reassurance as you whisper down the phone Would you send me packing? Or woudl you take me home? Thought I oughta bare my bnaked feelings Thought I oughta turn the curtain down I heald the blade in trembling hands Prepared to make it but…. Just then the phoen rang… I’ll never have the nerve to make the final cut…" (Pink Floyd, Final Cut) Man, how well that describes this narissist fear of showign the real self, of beign sooo close to show thereal person, the real slim shady;-), holding their breath as if it was holding a blade on their wrost so great the fear for them is, then jumping on any exit out, be it " just then the phone rang", to then hit their ehad on The Wall (sic) and say "I’ll never have the nerves to make the final cut". I used to read this tuen as if it was written with a thought for suicide. Now in what light it apears to me….Pfft. But if you read the words in that way, how exactly it it is. Sad to knwo a friend hurts that much and by their own doing, but a doing inspired by so much fear….A fear they have at the occasion of you, and then hold you accountable for….to then go lick their wounds and flageollate themself about it for years in their basement….

I have done that on occasion in the "basement" of my mind. I don’t know yet whether I still have that tendency, because I haven’t had anyone get close enough to me to stir up those kinds of feelings.

I don’t decide another’s intentions either. All I can do is note what it seems like to me at a given time. Same here. But I am odd. I even allow fully that this might be how *I* read it and how it seems to *me* ***at that given time**, which means it can be completely other. After all, how often in life did we say soemthign another did not get for what it meant nor why, where they interpreted it completely other than it ever was? I donlt think it soemthign elxclusive

I have lost a few friends who made gross misinterpretations of what I had said. They refused to hear any explanation I wanted to give.

But woudl I see or be told I have a worng impression in this or that, I woud make abstraction of not only that impression but every little thing that lead me to buldign that impression, after namign them to the toehr. Then whoosh. The facts woudl stay, the impression all removed.

Most of my wrong impressions are favorable. Usually they lead me to believe something positive that isn’t really there. The upshot of that simply is that I tend to subdue my enthusiasm about certain things because I think it may be nothing more than my imagination.

As an adult I started thinking it woudl be wiser of me to give it a chance anyway. Now that I look back on my adult life, I seriously wonder about what giving twenty thousand chances lead to. Just a lot of wated time so far, and comms dyign anyway out of some assumption built and established…that t be in the third email or in the 30,000th, it is just as bad, eh:) And then for event number 30,001.  ;-) Hm? Can you explain what you emant here a bit? Not used to your way o thinking yet, so can;t follow what you eman here. If you emant here livign the same event a 30,0001st time, can be.

It’s all numbers, and it’s all repetitive.  ;-)

But at the same rate as anyoen else I woudl say. Save that healers dontl walk away as fast as others from the ones in need of help;-). In that they meet more wounded ones. Or the exact same amount, but create deep friendships with the wounded ones where others just walk away and moan they got no friends;-). We end up with no one lifetiem friend. A healer’s life is a hard oen to share. We got a song about "It;s not easy to live with me", and I foten sing it almost giggling so much it fits me:).

That quite easily applies to me as well, even though I’m not a healer.

Late for work, darn it, gotta go.

The curse of having to scrape for money. We are all plagued with it.

Me nad babbling. atch ya later, Must really run. Argh.

Just walk real fast.  ;-) — KrosRogue AT SoftHome DOT Net

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KrosRogue (m…@privacy.net) writes:

                 On 27 Aug 2004, (Eleonore Beaudoin)     savagely assaulted several billion electrons with these words: than with a wall. But you see, all that time, as a healer, I had worked with him on removing the wall, precisely. Yet free will is what counts Perhaps he felt more vulnerable than he wished without that wall.

Definitely. Such was it known to be by him already and by me too. Which is why I imagined it never woudl happen, cause we both knew and cause it then was strictly said to b friendship and always understood as such. I then thought it could not apply. But h made it apply. He invented love anywhere between us, both by sayign such words himself and then by claiming he never did and that *I* was in love with him therefore *he* had to kick me out of the wall  (ggggggrrrr. Giomme any truth, never li9e, and never affirm for me about my won feelings against all I say and show!:(). But yes, definitely, it all had to do with narissists needing a wall cause of hat they fear you will find inside: zilch of what they show outside, as they only are mirroring and pleasing others, playing an act all the time, nevber being the,self, for not having a darn self to be to start with. He would have had to elarn to rhow one. Mothers are involved a lot in narcissist life. The closer he allowed me in as a friend  the more frquent the use fo the word "Mother" this and "Mopther" that was. Up to a point where I at a point threw that it all reminded me of Norman Bates, this "Mother" here and there stuff. Bates was one dangerous mad man, where some narcisists get to act it out that way, if that was not my friend’s doings in his past at all. But you see, Mother suggested to him to have another female friend of his help him rid of "gly me" in love with him (eeew) when "he was not", as mother wanted him to marry this other friend, see, regardless fo the fact he never loved her and coudl nto stand her nor feel attracted to ehr cause of her excessive weight, and also cause she wanted intimacy which freaked him out, iof course and made him throw her away real far. But "Mother" wanted him to marry that oen as "Mother" coudl feel she still had control over her boy;s love for her, over that of his loive for any other woman, see? Snd that friendship of ours was gettign to feel dnagerous to "Mother" I woudl dare say. It was very very strange. We had kidded in the forst days we talked where he had told me of his never really havign had a date with psettign a date in four eyars later in time: I needed soemoen to come wiht me to my sonsl graduation. And sicne we did not know ach other at all yet, it remained in the background as a sort of funny moment:). Me askign him for a date in four yars, but just to accmpany me, not as in romance. Took him the four years or so to get used to the idea where I yet never mentioned it again and then asked 8 months ahead of the grad time what of it. To my susprise his words were isnatntlaneously "just give me the date and I will be there:)". Hey, he trusted me and all, neat!:). That was when Mother started pullign the reins tighter. In all his childhood and even toddler’s years, he was Mother;s support. His words were that eh woudl even listen to her and offer help as he coudl when she had bad times with dad, as dad and hsi other brother were cats and dogs for beign too alike he said. Where h was the eldest by a few years only, and the braion kid of the family, her pride and joy but also her support. See, her second had a disease they treated with medicine he was allergic to as a kid and that created conmplicatiosn where he suffered a markedmental development on the slow side. He grew up both feelign the pressure on him to shwo the family’s offsprings were so able and all, and feelign guilty cause he coudl win at all games with his brother of course….Where he felt guilty for beign smarter…And was made to be his btoher’s keeper in soek ways, but most of all his mom’s consolation in more ways. I was flabergasted when I dfoudn thate xcat description of variosu scenarios where they noticed narcissism developing cause of the mom then giving the nromal child too little latitude to be himself, showign them to ahve to be considerately"slower" for their brother to nto be sad and so on, e5c, etc, where yet they also demanded a sort of defending the family’s honnor with theior bright offsring…and where the mom then falls back on givign the kid needing more assitance exacty that, and the oen that needs less exactly less, and tryign to yet overcompensate. The moms often will fall resting on the normal offsprign for their support,as it is a heavy duty thing for parents to live, taking care of a mentally handicapped child….So he was the oen takign care of moimmy when the tensiosn ebtween moma nd dad were too high. Consoling mom and more often than not in that playign the dad’s role. The dad and other brother woudl fight a lot beign stubborn, So is he, I must say and that he says openly, beign known to eb stubborn. But the way that I am, I;d not play his stubborn game of arguing and when is aw he was playoign argyuign for the ehck of arguing, I;d just say "Okay!:)" and that woudl titl him completely and force him to fidn other ways than this old game he was good at, creatign argumentshe knew exactly eld tow aht, heheeheh:). Thsi absence of conflict I woudl say now in retrospect amde him lost a bit. He actually ahd needed to invent some!!:) Theya re known to reinvent and rewrite history, narcissist, Anythign that fots their inner cofnort the ebst will be it and change the next time without them beign bothered by the inconsistencies. Anyway. "other" becaem omnipresent on the phoen and even doubled her visits to her son as the friendship ggot to develop into one heck of a trust adn trustworthy one on BOTH sides. I;d sayt hat Mother feared losign her control and love source from her bo-bioy, see? He ahd this immense love for his mom, nice and all, and yet this beign so annoyed by her at tiems for her tellign him to love this other gal he felt nothign for. "Mother" wanted him to marry ehr as exactly,s he knew I guess eh did not lovre her much and woudl then not deprive mommy of anything, perfect match she then foudn it for him. To me it was liek ‘But if you donlt love her, why on earth shoudl you do that???". He was made to beleivfe she was the only woman that wodule ver love him. "MNother" raised him to believe in Destiny and Fate, you see, where well, fate had it it was her, and that was that to Mother, whichw as at tiems seemign to amek sense to him, until he woudls ee her again and woudl ahve a fit inside of immense frustration, unabel to fidn hismelf attarcted to her even to please Mother! Uncosnciously, I;d bet that ahd Mother taken her nose out of it, he;d have had no problemo. But to love soemoen when Mother says so is soemthign else, eh.Hmmm. True, in that, Mother kept him away form that one woman at the same time, Everythign is double and confused and that si what makes the kids develop into narcissism unable to know where their eprson starts and ends, and where mommy starts and ends, with the mom;s cicrumstanmces makign it go on thsi way…. He moved ina  dofferent town. Ihn the alst while where we talked, Mother had visited him. Like the time before when she had he was again wodnerign why he ever moved away from "the family". Sayign he thinks it had been to becoem independant from them, adding "like that was gonna work, eh". Well, no kidding, Mother woudl need to learn to let the reins loose and that her son is not her proert nor anyoen else’s but HIS OWN. That si the very thing narcissists never coudl elarn causeof their mom and thus never coudl assume their own real life and choices about. While he sees Mother as God, I tend to think og ""Mother"" as his demon. The day the voice in his head would have mom’s voice, maybe it woudl all blow up OR maybe it woudl be a day of immense realization. Most narcissist have a voice in their head tellign them that this is the right code of honnor. Which the eprson then lives by, havign none in their own self they ever coudl develop, thanks to "Mother". He had such a voice and he never hid it. He gave it a name to, where he smiled whenh I gave hima  nickname that was a combination of the voice ’s name and his own. That he coudl deal with more than beign sen for only one OR the other, I think. In thealst while he removed that conbination fo nickanems he ahd used for his email name sicne I hada named him that. To go to his usual name. The voice was growign louder, as mom’s visits doubled…For a short time, he had made the voice be mine. That freaked me out, I must say, as that was NOT good for a healing, it shoudl not be. But like a psy sees some patients transfer onto them before they can make the transition to the world, I woudl sort of stand by waitign to see what woudl ahppen next. But next Mother felt she was losing control and went to secure with many phone calsl a week. Many visits, was it three anounced, suddenly, and even sending hsi dad when she coudl not eb there….He woudl nto be left to think for hismelf by himself. Mother woudl see to it. After her visits he woudl be abck to square oen: it was destiny and fae and he ewas doomed, the only women he woudl ever be loved by was that one he coudl nto stand, etc. Mother had said so of course in not so many words, just pullign te right strings and asking "are you sure?" about hsi saying that eh did NOT love her, exasperated. Just that was enough to send him into chaos and give hima  feel that thatw as what Mother wanted, say. For a secodn tiem he then tried a romantic soemthign with that woman. Invtign her for Vla3entine’s day. Only he felty tremendous guotl for soem reason, and did nto tell me….He probably felt double in even hsi own voice’s orders about whats houdl be duty and ho0nnor and not…. He tried to balance it by comeing to visit … read more »

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                 On 23 Aug 2004, (Eleonore Beaudoin)     savagely assaulted several billion electrons with these words:

I yet know that time has to pass before I really know how I want to deal with what, or if I even really want to change anythign about that on my side. I mena, I allow as I said tyhat I am still under rebuilding mode, and not yet there…

The fact that I too am under a rebuilding mode perhaps contributes to some of my misunderstandings as well.

I refuse to get bogged down by what seems to me to be almost an intentional misunderstanding. I don’t decide for others what their intentions are, so I can not say when it is intentional, unless it really would be blatantly done where no oen on earth coudl see it any other way than in bad will, say. But there can be a ton of things behind what yet seems like or even is bad will, there again…

I don’t decide another’s intentions either. All I can do is note what it seems like to me at a given time.

As an adult I started thinking it woudl be wiser of me to give it a chance anyway. Now that I look back on my adult life, I seriously wonder about what giving twenty thousand chances lead to. Just a lot of wated time so far, and comms dyign anyway out of some assumption built and established…that t be in the third email or in the 30,000th, it is just as bad, eh:)

And then for event number 30,001.  ;-)

How else can I interpret such a response? Well, I would ask the person what they meant by that. Soem will take a malicious pleasure in saying "read it starting by the forst word and ending with the last", or such things and not answer you at all.

Hey, that wasn’t malicious. That was just a continuation of what turned out to be a very bad joke.  ;-)

Makes it even tougher then as if I then try and check and give feedback sayign I am not sure how to read somethign they wrote, nor how to "interpret it", and they answer this way, well, ladeeda…That much for being alone in giving feedback and tryign to amke sure *I* do not assume, eh.

I am just a wee bit curious about what would have resulted if you had read the rest of it.  ;-)

Makes it feel like one way comm. which coems back to a-communication, at least from where I stand, then…The other might feel they communicate fine, but I scratch my ehad then….

Well, if there is anything I can do to confuse you, just let me know and I’ll be more than happy to oblige.  ;-)

Anyway. I’ll end up finding how I want to deal with that type of emails and seign if I want to change anythign to the old way or what. I already have enough rebuilding to do without having to rebuild from some new demolition stuff on top of it, I guess:)

KABOOM!!!  ;-) — KrosRogue AT SoftHome DOT Net

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                 On 23 Aug 2004, (Eleonore Beaudoin)     savagely assaulted several billion electrons with these words: I yet know that time has to pass before I really know how I want to deal with what, or if I even really want to change anythign about that on my side. I mena, I allow as I said tyhat I am still under rebuilding mode, and not yet there… The fact that I too am under a rebuilding mode perhaps contributes to some of my misunderstandings as well.

Perhaps we both are somehwat "self-protective" at this time, or whatever other sort of reaction to some past experience we each had. I know as I said that I am not "there" yet. Sometimes, some things in life happen in such an absolute "uncalled for" way, and so suddenly, that even the sense of closure that would help is not there, nothing transitional having been there, no event (at least none known to me) -that most likely would have helped the one subjected to unwarranted ways and judgements to get back on their feet faster. Perhaps it is the way of those who want to try and keep somethign vague by purpose, in case they later would change their mind, where they then would think of tagging anything to try and explain whatever occured, so as to try and justify it. But perhaps it is just the way of the narcissit ones, just never wanting to give any reason nor let anything real show, so as to try and look good still even in the worse they can do and did to a human being and friend. The way they build wonderful friendships, out of this world, then destroy them in one fraction of an instant, shattering all of it in one shot in such horrible ways that make it a "never come back" for the one it is done to just is beyond words. And of course all that pain is given ONLY to those they feel got closer to them than the average person. Usually someoen they never thought they could want to feel close to, where they then did not build their wall up against that. Those were in fact the very words my friend had about it all. That he had not expected I coudl ever "get in" as he called it, but that somehow I had gotten through his wall and reached in, "touched him" ""inside"", where he took a forst two month break of no longer giving news after an initial game playng of tagging things on me from absolutely nowhere. Just like building a wall after the "fact", say…I let him the time, in case he would be unable to fucntion otherwise than with a wall. But you see, all that time, as a healer, I had worked with him on removing the wall, precisely. Yet free will is what counts with me and no healing is ever doen without the other wishing it, wantign it and agreing to it. I respect no as much as I respect yes, that of others like my own. He of course had wished the wall down, suffering at seign his own self hurt others as he had said he did in the past. In our case, it was just friendship. But t him any friendship that he woudl allow himself to "feel" would start creating a need that was beyond his control, one of intimacy and yet one of total phobia of it that woudlo grow exponentially faster than the wish to allow someone close to even remain close "inside him". His only way then is to blow these persons to pices so that they hurt way too much to stay, and more than just hurt, are told things that they will respect, or at least that he knew I would: anytime he woudl say or act "go away", as he knew for my having said so, would be when I would walk away. Cause he feared aandonment liek mad too, where that was said in his period of fearing abandonment like mad, after he realized I had somehow gotten closer, through the wall. As I worked with the healing and as I made it not so much through the wall as let him decide if he would make an openign in his wall of defense and narcissism or not, man, was it ugly, if I yet coudol see the beuty of it for knowing what was hapening: his fear being immense and making him try and blast me away. I stood still then as that was saying "I am ot sure I want to remove the wall anymore". The wall was NOT being removed for me. But for him, and for him to meet some gal his age, to trust it coudl happen, as he woudl see that life was not so bad with the wall having an opening.Parallely, odd transfers started. They were understandable too: a long time friend he knew he never woudl love and was never attracted to, never said oen good word of, he sort of mislead into thinking he felt closer to, as a sort of exit door to the openign in the wall, as he feared the attachment to me and how it might be if he let me in by tearign the wall down himself. So he sort of played it with one foot outside the wall, the other very secured and securing the entire wall, inside the wall. That was still his free will. When I saw that he went as far as to lie to the other about me, and start tarshing me with even his family members, I coudl see that the odds were that he woudl play closing the wall up, or closing ME out. That was sad but did not mean it coudl not be beneficial to him in the haling, He coudl keep "the psy" out, say, so long as he did not wall his *own self* IN. I knew it coudl cost the friendship, and knew that as soon as the wall woudl be down, he woudl be runnign to find someone to hopefully not too fast, out of fear of it not lasting, tie the knot. But when e added to the trawshign me with friends and family the telling me he would be in love with the one person he built the wall about intially, I knew he was in what they call narcissist injury….Backing up all the way and ready to kill so to speak t safegard his own self from his own fear. Anyone else’s pain or fears then woudl not matter anymore. Habits die hard;-). Yet I knew and still know and will always know that that openign there was, as scary as it felt to him, will be one he will remember and will retry in time on his own, and one that, if he just wills it to fall, will make the wall vanish in no time. He NOW then has the real choice he did not ave before, the fear not allowign it, a real phobia, of either havign a wall up and no one in his life, not even a real friend, as those woudl feel too dnagerously "close" to his immense protection mechanisms, OR to break the wall down and discover how life really was. From the start, I knew that usually that means I am out of the pitcure for good. I had let him knwo that wayyyy in adance and he had sid that he woudl never let a friend go for such a reason as it woudl be one great thign to have achieved. But eh. The healer knew better;-). Yet know better as we may….A healer may also die for a real friend inside, one that woudl exactly happen to remain a friend after a healing… For some reason, it just never happens. And yet is uite understandable. What is less is the quality of a human being that person was, and the uality of the friendship that was, and how, as I gave the ehaling and friendship and healing love knowign of the odds of being completely "forgotten" afterwards, doign this selflessly then, how the otehr can just press eject and just treat you liek trash to eject you overnight. All they woudl ahev to do is, as I told him , say "Be gone" and I woudl be. The pain is not a requirement to respectign free will for me, doh:). In the past, when he did the exact same thign to women who got too close to him, who somehow sometimes, if rare, happened to get through his wall, and that he ejected in similar ways, sort of punishign them for being genuinely carign and trustable, (sic, else they woudl not make it through that wall ever anyway), in the apst he then woudl suffer a narcissist injry and hate himself to bits for hwo he acted liek a complete jerk, cruel to an nth degree in how unwarratned and how "played" it allw as for his sole self to fee safe and no longer afraid, where he woudl then stay in his basement and hate himself for YEARS, sort of making his own self a martyr, punishgign his own self for what he did. My only hope is that this time, he did not play that, or that it will not have alsted years at all, given that we were only FRIENDS, and that he saw that HE opened the wall without it havign been at all out of secual interest for once in his life. The only other times he let a crack in that wall was by sexual interest. This time he got confused, as usually when there is that opening, women got that close out of personal interest or sexual interest, wehre this time, thhere was none, but where in his fear it was easier for him to play the only way he knew to: as if it was by self interest others did it, so that he coudl feel justified to play his own self interest….and to be a complete cruel jerk at it, i.e. unjustofied and unwarranted completely. Which was always what he did to rebuild the wall real fast with anyoen that got closer. But this time, he will remember that friend I was that never did him wrong, like all the others in that, as none of those he allowed """too close"" ever did him wrong –which he is acutely aware of and tortured himselfabout for having hurt poele that never hurt oen soul on earth, since 7 years when I ran into him. This time I can only hope that all that he learned as we exchanged, and the way out I already built for him to follow woudl he build a wall again, offered to him in chit chat about his "depression", with steps and hwo to do them and why and all that, which rmeain written and availabel to him, I can only hope that in sort of "honnor" oif the great friend he had and will know too well he hurt so unwarrantedly, he will use that and pull himself out of this stupid bnarcissist injury mode. The last thign I did before the eship stopped was ask him a copy of those steps out to keep in case of future need elsewhere" I said. That then showed me he still had them and refreshed his memory about havign those. And my words  also that were that as much as he thougth he played the same thign again and wanted to go lick his own self infliceted … read more »

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                 On 22 Aug 2004, (Eleonore Beaudoin)     savagely assaulted several billion electrons with these words: Ensuring that one really understood well, rather than jump to conclusions and stcik to those forever without any reality check, can make exchanges excruciatingly heavy and painful at times. This has been a problem for me on occasion, both in writing and in conversing. I would say something that would inadvertently trigger a response of anger or vehemently irrational defensiveness toward something that had no direct bearing on what I meant. At that point, the exchanges would degenerate from communication to attacks, accusations, or silence. All this would occur without any attempt on the other person’s part to even try to comprehend whatever idea I was trying to convey. I truly have quite a bit of difficulty understanding these idiotic responses.

I might understand them without seing much of a point to go on at time,s as they excatly say how one deals with problems or is unable of dialogue when their own feelings/insecurities are at play. I used to go on anyway, telling msyelf that once they;d know me they would see there is none of that ion my had and so on. Only to wste 4 years or so, seing the same occur after it did not show its nose for ages, say, and bringign it back to square minus one…. By now, I dunno yet how to do what about that type of miscomm whrn it happens. I donlt want to judge a person on a possible occasional bad mood due to illness or tiredness or whatever that would only be a once in a decade thing and just happened to fall on "me". After all, it canm happen to me too, and I’d hope another would try and just go on and see without judging too fast. And yet that was what I did all the tiem for very poor results in the end. Makes one wonder then what the use of trying is… But of course, after the bad experience I had too recently still, I allow that this might make me still see things in a self-protective way, where I yet exactly do not want to build a wall cause someone turned on a dime… But there are other types of ""exchanges"" that also get me to wonder what I coudl try instead of going on kindly. Kindness always worked in the medium or long rrun to make the other see better, but it can be one long run, like two years of prejudices that oen might finally get over and correct as they know me, say, where by that time another oen somewhere has their own type of fit and belligerant ways. Even of they too in the longer turn will see better, it makes it so there woudl always be one or two at it in the background, which gets just nborignly repetitive, to put it this way. I yet know that time has to pass before I really know how I want to deal with what, or if I even really want to change anythign about that on my side. I mena, I allow as I said tyhat I am still under rebuilding mode, and not yet there…  

 

This in turn can lead to the one feeling like they are completely misread not putting as much effort in how the express what, in time, since they get the feeling it will be interpreted by the previously twisted out of any reality context fast judgements, and will not be see for what it says no matter how clearly they woudl express what they mean. If I get the feedback I outlined above, I give it up for a lost cause.

At that rate, I’d have done it last week in a given case. Someoen jumped to conclusions about soemthign I replied to th4em, without checkign with me about anything, and added very bad mood cracks and comments that exactly made me think "aw, man, so tired of that…People soemtimes get upset at nothing. Me too, but I mena, must it require insults and value judgements and the likes? Can’t they ask instead of always jump on their high rabbed horses, sort of thing?;-) And if somethign I said bugged them, can they not allow me the same as I do them, the possibility it is a once in a while and more rare than otherwise, etc? Else I get to feel like it is only workign both ways when I put in the effort one way…  

I refuse to get bogged down by

what seems to me to be almost an

intentional misunderstanding.

I don’t decide for others what their intentions are, so I can not say when it is intentional, unless it really would be blatantly done where no oen on earth coudl see it any other way than in bad will, say. But there can be a ton of things behind what yet seems like or even is bad will, there again… As in the case of those that would immediately start on a belligerant tone and on attacks that woudl after a year or two realize they had it all wrong in their mind about me, where if there were attacks and all that, they rpecisely were based on wrong assumptiosn or on insecurities or jalousy of sorts or whatever else of the kind that can make some react or act this way. Yeah, more liek act, as in the cases I think of, there was no reason for any attack to take place. Only in their minds, say. No reality check, nada, done to see if it was just a wrong perception or assunption ion their side. And yet again there are the times when all is fine for such a long tiem then kaboom. One builds up this whatever assumption cause the scenario fits their want or their patterns, simply. Oh well. See what I mean, abotu getting bored and tired of it all at times, finding it repetitive and not very constructive in the longer term, to try so hard to give every misunderstanding a chance. When I was younger, I woudl then take it that if someoen acted belligerantly, well, too abd, that did not interest me and oh well, and flush:) As an adult I started thinking it woudl be wiser of me to give it a chance anyway. Now that I look back on my adult life, I seriously wonder about what giving twenty thousand chances lead to. Just a lot of wated time so far, and comms dyign anyway out of some assumption built and established…that t be in the third email or in the 30,000th, it is just as bad, eh:)

How else can I interpret such a response?

Well, I would ask the person what they meant by that. Soem will take a malicious pleasure in saying "read it starting by the forst word and ending with the last", or such things and not answer you at all. Makes it even tougher then as if I then try and check and give feedback sayign I am not sure how to read somethign they wrote, nor how to "interpret it", and they answer this way, well, ladeeda…That much for being alone in giving feedback and tryign to amke sure *I* do not assume, eh.  

>> On top of that, I might happen to really misinterpret and not be >> able to adjust to what the other says if ever it is way too far from >> anything in my experience, or if he does not even care to try and >> confirm or infrim the feedback and light my lantern. > If I sense that my meaning is misinterpreted, I usually try as best I > can to clarify, unless I get responses similar to what I have > described.

Again, at that rate, i.e. when soemthign is misinterpreted by another and returned to me not only with assumptiosn, but affirmations, building a misunderstanding rather than tryign to straighten things and meanings and interpretations and intentions out, I;d have ejected some last week;-) I still try instead… And yet in such cases,I do not feel like explaining, as the other will not even answer the simplest clarification about lighter stuff that misunderstandings and assumptions, on their side. Makes it feel like one way comm. which coems back to a-communication, at least from where I stand, then…The other might feel they communicate fine, but I scratch my ehad then…. Anyway. I’ll end up finding how I want to deal with that type of emails and seign if I want to change anythign to the old way or what. I already have enough rebuilding to do without having to rebuild from some new demolition stuff on top of it, I guess:) C  >  

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KrosRogue AT SoftHome DOT Net

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                 On 22 Aug 2004, (Eleonore Beaudoin)     savagely assaulted several billion electrons with these words:

Ensuring that one really understood well, rather than jump to conclusions and stcik to those forever without any reality check, can make exchanges excruciatingly heavy and painful at times.

This has been a problem for me on occasion, both in writing and in conversing. I would say something that would inadvertently trigger a response of anger or vehemently irrational defensiveness toward something that had no direct bearing on what I meant. At that point, the exchanges would degenerate from communication to attacks, accusations, or silence. All this would occur without any attempt on the other person’s part to even try to comprehend whatever idea I was trying to convey. I truly have quite a bit of difficulty understanding these idiotic responses.

This in turn can lead to the one feeling like they are completely misread not putting as much effort in how the express what, in time, since they get the feeling it will be interpreted by the previously twisted out of any reality context fast judgements, and will not be see for what it says no matter how clearly they woudl express what they mean.

If I get the feedback I outlined above, I give it up for a lost cause. I refuse to get bogged down by what seems to me to be almost an intentional misunderstanding. How else can I interpret such a response?

On top of that, I might happen to really misinterpret and not be able to adjust to what the other says if ever it is way too far from anything in my experience, or if he does not even care to try and confirm or infrim the feedback and light my lantern.

If I sense that my meaning is misinterpreted, I usually try as best I can to clarify, unless I get responses similar to what I have described. — KrosRogue AT SoftHome DOT Net

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                 On 21 Aug 2004, (Eleonore Beaudoin)     savagely assaulted several billion electrons with these words: or said. A simple thing that correspondence does not always allow, in that not everyoen has the same pace nor needs the same space, where if one is on a more accelerated pace, being slowed down might bug them. And the same, someone with a slower pace might be feelign rushed into a faster pace. I never had a problem with "pace" in correspondence, and I certainly haven’t felt rushed. For one thing, I think writing is much easier than talking. I feel rushed when I am in a face-to-face conversation, mainly because it is in real time and there is pressure to find the right words to express my thoughts. I wind up not saying anything or worse yet saying something stupid. When I write, I normally write the way I wish I could talk. Now, if I could put a tiny keyboard in my brain…  ;-)

Glad it works for you:) Yes, many find the written medium a way that can either help them express their thoughts better than in RL conversations. On my side, being a writer by profession, and even before that by simple ability, and having a verbal IQ that for its poorest result was a 180 and its highest a 210, expressing things is not a problem. Geting them through though can be as it takes two to decode and *exchange*, and make that exchange a real communication or a real a-communication. Communication is not just expressing, it alwas is receiving and decoding properly, where good communication also includes that what the other understood or interpreted is returned in feedback and checked so as to be confirmed or infirmed as understood for how the one expressing it meant it, where in good communication, adjustements are made from there to try and make our interpretation correspond as best as can be to what was meant, so that what is expressed is taken for what it means. Now THAT I find more rare, i.e. someone that can communicate as in "decodes, sends back a feedback that shows he got it, or that if he did not or only did partially, **and then shows that he/she can *adjust* his/her interpretation and understanding of the expressed thought in fucntion of the further information communicated about it in the feedback process. Many can write. Mnay can talk and write as easily, even. But clicking with someone we *exchange* ideas with is when that adjusting our interpretation (both ways) occurs with the minimum requirement of explanations, and most definitely with understanding the messages for what they are and mean more and more easily as one gets the idea of how the other is, through that good communicaion exchange in its first steps. After a basis is established in communication mode itself, then it gets easier to grasp how to read what is meant in the words written or said. Then pople feel like they are :getting through: to the other, that their side of the comm is really understood and taken as meant. Thta can ahppen to yet only be one way, wiht oen feelign they get through eaisly, as the other decodes and checks in feddback and ajusts, where the other can feel that they are interpreted without any feedback for checking how off the interpretation is and no shown will to adjust an interpretation that coudl be wrong. Getting through is not always about how well or not on expresses themself. It can be about how well or not the other adjust their interpretation, and how BOTH do it. Else oen way communication when tweo yet are exchanging, gets to be painful for one of the two, and sooner or later, for both. I find that most people will form a fast judgement and stay stuck in it, and will read every next word and thought expressed filtering it through what they wrongly interpreted the first time around. This leading to the second time around being doubly "off", as in not seing what the other is sayign for what it is and says, where that will too be added to the filtering of the third message, say, where that will twist all interpretations around more and more. When that happesn to me, I feel I am not "getting through" at all…Might be that I wrongly expressed myself. Might be that the other is already too far gone in his interpretations wihtout feedback checking done anywhere, or done too rarely. Ensuring that one really understood well, rather than jump to conclusions and stcik to those forever without any reality check, can make exchanges excruciatingly heavy and painful at times. This in turn can lead to the one feeling like they are completely misread not putting as much effort in how the express what, in time, since they get the feeling it will be interpreted by the previously twisted out of any reality context fast judgements, and will not be see for what it says no matter how clearly they woudl express what they mean. Some might say that they never lived that.Among, some might eb that never realized how the half that says they lived that lived it in an exchange with them LOL:) I do live that occasionally in my writen exchnages, cause I am not the only one communicating in my exchanges, the either does too…or not, i.e. he/she can be creating a-communication wiht the other in not checkign if he/she interpreted this and that right at all. On top of that, I might happen to really misinterpret and not be able to adjust to what the other says if ever it is way too far from anything in my experience, or if he does not even care to try and confirm or infrim the feedback and light my lantern.  C  

— KrosRogue AT SoftHome DOT Net

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                 On 21 Aug 2004, (Eleonore Beaudoin)     savagely assaulted several billion electrons with these words:

or said. A simple thing that correspondence does not always allow, in that not everyoen has the same pace nor needs the same space, where if one is on a more accelerated pace, being slowed down might bug them. And the same, someone with a slower pace might be feelign rushed into a faster pace.

I never had a problem with "pace" in correspondence, and I certainly haven’t felt rushed. For one thing, I think writing is much easier than talking. I feel rushed when I am in a face-to-face conversation, mainly because it is in real time and there is pressure to find the right words to express my thoughts. I wind up not saying anything or worse yet saying something stupid. When I write, I normally write the way I wish I could talk. Now, if I could put a tiny keyboard in my brain…  ;-) — KrosRogue AT SoftHome DOT Net

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>> says… >>>Hi, >>>Not forgettign you…I am just in a rather inner mood lately, where posts >>>being silly for some offer some light distraction…wher I seem to not be >>>able to email nada lately. >>>Maybe in a few days, after I slept some more;-) >>>But will get back at ya, promise:) >>>((((((H))))) >>>C >>>– >> Sorry, but I don’t answer to the name of Harry. >> I have a brother who does that. >> Harvey >Oh, I am sorry, yes this cvould have read for you too as I have not given >email news ina  century or so. To anyone in fact…. >So sorry, and will try and get to it. If I woudl have the certitude that >my ebox is not blocking mail, woudl be more encouraging….Does that >soemtimes wihtout any apparent reason and without any control of mine:( >But I meant KRogue, aka Harry to me,. and not Harvey. >Still, please read the delay appologies as valid for you, Harvey!:) >Chloe

Sorry to have caused any confusion. Harvey

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                 On 20 Aug 2004, (Eleonore Beaudoin)     savagely assaulted several billion electrons with these words:

Not a problem. She tentatively renamed me "Harry". My name seems to be a bit more difficult to deal with under certain circumstances.  ;-) LOL:) Well, you won’t catch me explaining why L:) Besides, I never knew any Harry, if I knewe many "kros" LOLROTFLAM:)

Ummmm, no comment.  ;-) — KrosRogue AT SoftHome DOT Net

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                 On 20 Aug 2004, (Eleonore Beaudoin)     savagely assaulted several billion electrons with these words:

I got your email. I didn’t know what to make of it. I hope you feel better soon. Ever tried to reply to an email fr the nth time and gettign to sort of feel like you no longer were answerign spontaneously, tired of retrying to beat the system..? Not rememebrign if you are adding this comment that followed a previous one on THIS actual reply or in your past lost one and so on, ending up makign total nonsnse the more you tried to reply?

No.

No????

That’s what I said.  ;-)

Darn….!;-) L:)

Cold twist of fate, eh?  ;-)

Well, that happens to em sometimes.

Yep. Email sometimes develops a will of its own.  ;-)

 I got stuck on it and did not want it to make the exchange stay  stuck waiting for some reply of mine, wheer I then chanced asking  for another email to reply to, a new one I’d not have tried  answerign so many times.  Simply,. I got lost in saying how I was  not rather than trying to reply being me:) And my own long  ssplanations bored my own self before I woudl end it and rerstart  again and get stuck the same way, where….etc.

Oh, well, if at first you don’t fricasse, fry, fry a hen.  ;-)

 ((((((H)))))   ((((((C))))) ..:) Thanks…..Kind of ya:)

Fun, too.  ;-)

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Tee-hee!  ;-) — KrosRogue AT SoftHome DOT Net

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                 On 20 Aug 2004, (Eleonore Beaudoin)     savagely assaulted several billion electrons with these words: I got your email. I didn’t know what to make of it. I hope you feel better soon. Ever tried to reply to an email fr the nth time and gettign to sort of feel like you no longer were answerign spontaneously, tired of retrying to beat the system..? Not rememebrign if you are adding this comment that followed a previous one on THIS actual reply or in your past lost one and so on, ending up makign total nonsnse the more you tried to reply? No. No???? That’s what I said.  ;-) Darn….!;-) L:) Cold twist of fate, eh?  ;-)

I don’t believe in "fate". Thus it can not be twisted. Nor cold.

Well, that happens to em sometimes. Yep. Email sometimes develops a will of its own.  ;-)

Definitely. If one lets it happen, even more so. It would be easy to let conversations go on tangeants and to allow thme to give them a falsified representation leading to a-communication. I guess there is plenty of that, and that finding to communicate then becomes the precious thing. Takes some doing, and sometimes, some not going a direction the basis is not set for "yet". Of course, most poeple on the net prefer hit and run superficiality with not really getting to know anyone, or not getting known. Some will even play learnign about the other while never reaveling much about their own person and ways and so on…Many actually hold for a way of exchange "mantra" that the key is to knwo the other and not let them know you. I donlt believe in that one myself as it then feels like control–for cause:)-. But still, some thigns sometimes require a sort of baic knowledge of the other to be there before they are talked about or touched or said. A simple thing that correspondence does not always allow, in that not everyoen has the same pace nor needs the same space, where if one is on a more accelerated pace, being slowed down might bug them. And the same, someone with a slower pace might be feelign rushed into a faster pace. Of course none of those things are at issue when two just want to babble superficially and not know (the) other(s).

 I got stuck on it and did not want it to make the exchange stay  stuck waiting for some reply of mine, wheer I then chanced asking  for another email to reply to, a new one I’d not have tried  answerign so many times.  Simply,. I got lost in saying how I was  not rather than trying to reply being me:) And my own long  ssplanations bored my own self before I woudl end it and rerstart  again and get stuck the same way, where….etc. Oh, well, if at first you don’t fricasse, fry, fry a hen.  ;-)

Sure is an option.  ;-)

 ((((((H)))))   ((((((C))))) ..:) Thanks…..Kind of ya:) Fun, too.  ;-)

Nothign wrong with healthy fun, specially when ""innocent"" and shared.  

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              On Fri, 20 Aug 2004, Your Name Here=Harvey     savagely assaulted several billion electrons with these words:

Sorry, but I don’t answer to the name of Harry. I have a brother who does that.

Not a problem. She tentatively renamed me "Harry". My name seems to be a bit more difficult to deal with under certain circumstances.  ;-) — KrosRogue AT SoftHome DOT Net The one that Chloe calls "Harry".  ;-)

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In article <cfrh9p$ij…@freenet9.carleton.ca, bc…@FreeNet.Carleton.CA says… Hi, Not forgettign you…I am just in a rather inner mood lately, where posts being silly for some offer some light distraction…wher I seem to not be able to email nada lately. Maybe in a few days, after I slept some more;-) But will get back at ya, promise:) ((((((H))))) C — Sorry, but I don’t answer to the name of Harry. I have a brother who does that. Harvey

Oh, I am sorry, yes this cvould have read for you too as I have not given email news ina  century or so. To anyone in fact…. So sorry, and will try and get to it. If I woudl have the certitude that my ebox is not blocking mail, woudl be more encouraging….Does that soemtimes wihtout any apparent reason and without any control of mine:( But I meant KRogue, aka Harry to me,. and not Harvey. Still, please read the delay appologies as valid for you, Harvey!:) Chloe  

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              On Fri, 20 Aug 2004, Your Name Here=Harvey     savagely assaulted several billion electrons with these words: Sorry, but I don’t answer to the name of Harry. I have a brother who does that. Not a problem. She tentatively renamed me "Harry". My name seems to be a bit more difficult to deal with under certain circumstances.  ;-)

LOL:) Well, you won’t catch me explaining why L:) Besides, I never knew any Harry, if I knewe many "kros" LOLROTFLAM:)

— KrosRogue AT SoftHome DOT Net The one that Chloe calls "Harry".  ;-)

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                 On 16 Aug 2004, (Eleonore Beaudoin)     savagely assaulted several billion electrons with these words: Not forgettign you…I am just in a rather inner mood lately, where posts being silly for some offer some light distraction…wher I seem to not be able to email nada lately. Maybe in a few days, after I slept some more;-) But will get back at ya, promise:) I got your email. I didn’t know what to make of it. I hope you feel better soon.

Ever tried to reply to an email fr the nth time and gettign to sort of feel like you no longer were answerign spontaneously, tired of retrying to beat the system..? Not rememebrign if you are adding this comment that followed a previous one on THIS actual reply or in your past lost one and so on, ending up makign total nonsnse the more you tried to reply? No???? Darn….!;-) L:) Well, that happens to em sometimes.  I got stuck on it and did not want it to make the exchange stay stuck waiting for some reply of mine, wheer I then chanced asking for another email to reply to, a new one I’d not have tried answerign so many times. Simply,. I got lost in saying how I was not rather than trying to reply being me:) And my own long ssplanations bored my own self before I woudl end it and rerstart again and get stuck the same way, where….etc.  

 >> ((((((H)))))

>   ((((((C)))))

..:) Thanks…..Kind of ya:)

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Chloe

— KrosRogue AT SoftHome DOT Net

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                 On 16 Aug 2004, (Eleonore Beaudoin)     savagely assaulted several billion electrons with these words:

Not forgettign you…I am just in a rather inner mood lately, where posts being silly for some offer some light distraction…wher I seem to not be able to email nada lately. Maybe in a few days, after I slept some more;-) But will get back at ya, promise:)

I got your email. I didn’t know what to make of it. I hope you feel better soon.

((((((H)))))

  ((((((C))))) — KrosRogue AT SoftHome DOT Net

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Hi, Not forgettign you…I am just in a rather inner mood lately, where posts being silly for some offer some light distraction…wher I seem to not be able to email nada lately. Maybe in a few days, after I slept some more;-) But will get back at ya, promise:) ((((((H))))) C —

Sorry, but I don’t answer to the name of Harry. I have a brother who does that. Harvey

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Hi, Not forgettign you…I am just in a rather inner mood lately, where posts being silly for some offer some light distraction…wher I seem to not be able to email nada lately. Maybe in a few days, after I slept some more;-) But will get back at ya, promise:) ((((((H))))) C —

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does nobody caRE ABOUT  THE lizards? p.s. I am sp00ki now Wrangler calamity jane

Of course we care Jane…. We just thought Frampy had bar-b-q’d them all…. He lives in Brisbane if you want to…ahem…*deal* with him steveb

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does nobody caRE ABOUT  THE lizards? p.s. I am sp00ki now Wrangler calamity jane Of course we care Jane…. We just thought Frampy had bar-b-q’d them all…. He lives in Brisbane if you want to…ahem…*deal* with him steveb

frampy is a HE?

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – does nobody caRE ABOUT  THE lizards? p.s. I am sp00ki now Wrangler calamity jane Of course we care Jane…. We just thought Frampy had bar-b-q’d them all…. He lives in Brisbane if you want to…ahem…*deal* with him steveb frampy is a HE?

/me pulls pants down… brrrrrr sure is cold, but yes I do see something… yes, definately male or as I said in another chat channel last night, who the hell has ever heard of a female called Frampy? I mean, what are the odds? LMAO

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/me pulls pants down… brrrrrr sure is cold, but yes I do see something…

If you look really closely…..rofl

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who the hell has ever heard of a female called Frampy? I mean, what are the odds? LMAO

Isn’t the female form of Frampy…..Trampy???

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Isn’t the female form of Frampy…..Trampy???

Please…nooooo…don’t start THAT again! lol steveb

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does nobody caRE ABOUT  THE lizards? p.s. I am sp00ki now Wrangler calamity jane

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ROFLMAO Anne! I give that one a 10! Paula Another maddening crave washed over her like the storm surge of a Category Five hurricane, and she hustled around the house like a squirrel with obsessive-compulsive disorder, checking all her "stash" spots for just one more cigarette, even though she’d just checked them an hour before, once again less than one day on the old battered Silkquit meter, which had been reset so many times there was a groove the size of the Grand Canyon worn in her mouse pad; and when she rifled desperately through the bottom of her blue paisley purse with the leather trim and double straps for a piece of nicotine gum and instead discovered a wealth of tobacco lint and cinnamon Altoid dust, her resolve crumbled like a house of cards on top of a clothes dryer, so with trembling hands she scraped the precious brown and pink flakes into a pile like a pharmacist compounding a prescription and, as she’d done countless times going to college in the 1970’s, albeit with a different type of tobacco, fastidiously arranged them on a tattered scrap of cash register receipt, then rolled and licked it into a perfect little white cylinder approximately two inches long and three-eighths of an inch in diameter, as pretty as anything Philip Morris manufactured except with blue printing on it, and as her gaze landed upon the aquarium where the fish floated lifeless at the surface, she considered that maybe dumping the Zippo in there had not been her best stay-quit idea. — Anne D. Visit my friend’s online Christian bookstore: http://www.goodnessandtruth.com

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Another maddening crave washed over her like the storm surge of a Category Five hurricane, and she hustled around the house like a squirrel with obsessive-compulsive disorder, checking all her "stash" spots for just one more cigarette, even though she’d just checked them an hour before, once again less than one day on the old battered Silkquit meter, which had been reset so many times there was a groove the size of the Grand Canyon worn in her mouse pad; and when she rifled desperately through the bottom of her blue paisley purse with the leather trim and double straps for a piece of nicotine gum and instead discovered a wealth of tobacco lint and cinnamon Altoid dust, her resolve crumbled like a house of cards on top of a clothes dryer, so with trembling hands she scraped the precious brown and pink flakes into a pile like a pharmacist compounding a prescription and, as she’d done countless times going to college in the 1970’s, albeit with a different type of tobacco, fastidiously arranged them on a tattered scrap of cash register receipt, then rolled and licked it into a perfect little white cylinder approximately two inches long and three-eighths of an inch in diameter, as pretty as anything Philip Morris manufactured except with blue printing on it, and as her gaze landed upon the aquarium where the fish floated lifeless at the surface, she considered that maybe dumping the Zippo in there had not been her best stay-quit idea. — Anne D. Visit my friend’s online Christian bookstore: http://www.goodnessandtruth.com

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ROFLMAO Anne! I give that one a 10! Paula

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Another maddening crave washed over her like the storm surge of a Category Five hurricane, and she hustled around the house like a squirrel with obsessive-compulsive disorder, checking all her "stash" spots for just one more cigarette, even though she’d just checked them an hour before, once again less than one day on the old battered Silkquit meter, which had been reset so many times there was a groove the size of the Grand Canyon worn in her mouse pad; and when she rifled desperately through the bottom of her blue paisley purse with the leather trim and double straps for a piece of nicotine gum and instead discovered a wealth of tobacco lint and cinnamon Altoid dust, her resolve crumbled like a house of cards on top of a clothes dryer, so with trembling hands she scraped the precious brown and pink flakes into a pile like a pharmacist compounding a prescription and, as she’d done countless times going to college in the 1970’s, albeit with a different type of tobacco, fastidiously arranged them on a tattered scrap of cash register receipt, then rolled and licked it into a perfect little white cylinder approximately two inches long and three-eighths of an inch in diameter, as pretty as anything Philip Morris manufactured except with blue printing on it, and as her gaze landed upon the aquarium where the fish floated lifeless at the surface, she considered that maybe dumping the Zippo in there had not been her best stay-quit idea. — Anne D. Visit my friend’s online Christian bookstore: http://www.goodnessandtruth.com

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I think we should have our own attempt at this! Maybe by using cigarettes instead of cheese! Or something to make it a little more on topic You know…something like this: "Jef, the maniac who ran the website, scanned the posts of the day and decided to pick on Susan, who was well known for her stylish posting of the quitlist, however, then he saw a post from Frampy and that made him feel all gooey inside so he made a picture of Frampy dressed as a lamb and some Kiwi broad dressed as Bo Peep and felt very pleased that he had made such a funny picture without the use of cheese or cigarettes…" Paula Worst Opening Line to a Novel A rambling 70-word sentence that compares a lovers’ embrace to a piece of supermarket string cheese has won the dubious honour of first place in the 22nd annual Bulwer-Lytton Fiction Contest, aimed at finding the worst possible opening for an imaginary novel. "They had but one last remaining night together, so they embraced each other as tightly as that two-flavour entwined string cheese that is orange and yellowish-white, the orange probably being a bland Cheddar and the white … Mozzarella, although it could possibly be Provolone or just plain American, as it really doesn’t taste distinctly dissimilar from the orange, yet they would have you believe it does by colouring it differently," wrote Mariann Simms of Alabama, who won a $US250 prize on Wednesday for her efforts. The contest, sponsored by the English Department of San Jose State University, is named after the British novelist Edward George Bulwer-Lytton, whose 1830 novel Paul Clifford began with the notorious line: "It was a dark and stormy night." The department received thousands of entries from around the world and posted the full list of winners and "dishonourable mentions" on the website http://www.sjsu.edu/depts/english/2003.htm San Jose State English professor Scott Rice, who runs the contest, praised Simms’ mockery of a literary faux pas. "It’s an example of a writer who gets off task – you start off with steamy sex and end up with stinky cheese," said Rice when he announced the winners.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I think we should have our own attempt at this! Maybe by using cigarettes instead of cheese! Or something to make it a little more on topic You know…something like this: "Jef, the maniac who ran the website, scanned the posts of the day and decided to pick on Susan, who was well known for her stylish posting of the quitlist, however, then he saw a post from Frampy and that made him feel all gooey inside so he made a picture of Frampy dressed as a lamb and some Kiwi broad dressed as Bo Peep and felt very pleased that he had made such a funny picture without the use of cheese or cigarettes…" Paula Worst Opening Line to a Novel A rambling 70-word sentence that compares a lovers’ embrace to a piece of supermarket string cheese has won the dubious honour of first place in the 22nd annual Bulwer-Lytton Fiction Contest, aimed at finding the worst possible opening for an imaginary novel. "They had but one last remaining night together, so they embraced each other as tightly as that two-flavour entwined string cheese that is orange and yellowish-white, the orange probably being a bland Cheddar and the white … Mozzarella, although it could possibly be Provolone or just plain American, as it really doesn’t taste distinctly dissimilar from the orange, yet they would have you believe it does by colouring it differently," wrote Mariann Simms of Alabama, who won a $US250 prize on Wednesday for her efforts. The contest, sponsored by the English Department of San Jose State University, is named after the British novelist Edward George Bulwer-Lytton, whose 1830 novel Paul Clifford began with the notorious line: "It was a dark and stormy night." The department received thousands of entries from around the world and posted the full list of winners and "dishonourable mentions" on the website http://www.sjsu.edu/depts/english/2003.htm San Jose State English professor Scott Rice, who runs the contest, praised Simms’ mockery of a literary faux pas. "It’s an example of a writer who gets off task – you start off with steamy sex and end up with stinky cheese," said Rice when he announced the winners.

Nice opening line..cheesy i have to wonder though, how an australian bearded dragon ends up in a 15 year old’s private lizard collection in alabama. USA. these are a protected species. I know, because we have them here where i live. There are huge (MASSIVE) fines and jail terms for this sort of thing  (if the animal was obtained illegally). I am pretty sure there is no way these animals can go overseas unless they go to zoos and pass stringent guidelines. There is a lucrative black market trade however, people love our reptiles…pay BIG money. The woman who won this prize, and her son should probably brace themselves for a visit from Steve Irwin any moment. wrangler jane

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I got tears rolling down my face, here. Jef, don’t hurt yourself! (Oh how I wish I could be at the Maryland meet this weekend.) ep vvof

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "Paula" wrote I think we should have our own attempt at this…. All right. "BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM!" Four steel-jacketed .44 caliber warning shots ripped through my groin, and I was off on the most fantastic adventure of my life.

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"Paula" wrote I think we should have our own attempt at this….

All right. "BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM!" Four steel-jacketed .44 caliber warning shots ripped through my groin, and I was off on the most fantastic adventure of my life.

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I think we should have our own attempt at this! Maybe by using cigarettes instead of cheese! Or something to make it a little more on topic You know…something like this: "Jef, the maniac who ran the website, scanned the posts of the day and decided to pick on Susan, who was well known for her stylish posting of the quitlist, however, then he saw a post from Frampy and that made him feel all gooey inside so he made a picture of Frampy dressed as a lamb and some Kiwi broad dressed as Bo Peep and felt very pleased that he had made such a funny picture without the use of cheese or cigarettes…" Paula Worst Opening Line to a Novel A rambling 70-word sentence that compares a lovers’ embrace to a piece of supermarket string cheese has won the dubious honour of first place in the 22nd annual Bulwer-Lytton Fiction Contest, aimed at finding the worst possible opening for an imaginary novel. "They had but one last remaining night together, so they embraced each other as tightly as that two-flavour entwined string cheese that is orange and yellowish-white, the orange probably being a bland Cheddar and the white … Mozzarella, although it could possibly be Provolone or just plain American, as it really doesn’t taste distinctly dissimilar from the orange, yet they would have you believe it does by colouring it differently," wrote Mariann Simms of Alabama, who won a $US250 prize on Wednesday for her efforts. The contest, sponsored by the English Department of San Jose State University, is named after the British novelist Edward George Bulwer-Lytton, whose 1830 novel Paul Clifford began with the notorious line: "It was a dark and stormy night." The department received thousands of entries from around the world and posted the full list of winners and "dishonourable mentions" on the website http://www.sjsu.edu/depts/english/2003.htm San Jose State English professor Scott Rice, who runs the contest, praised Simms’ mockery of a literary faux pas. "It’s an example of a writer who gets off task – you start off with steamy sex and end up with stinky cheese," said Rice when he announced the winners.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I think we should have our own attempt at this! Maybe by using cigarettes instead of cheese! Or something to make it a little more on topic You know…something like this: "Jef, the maniac who ran the website, scanned the posts of the day and decided to pick on Susan, who was well known for her stylish posting of the quitlist, however, then he saw a post from Frampy and that made him feel all gooey inside so he made a picture of Frampy dressed as a lamb and some Kiwi broad dressed as Bo Peep and felt very pleased that he had made such a funny picture without the use of cheese or cigarettes…" Paula Worst Opening Line to a Novel A rambling 70-word sentence that compares a lovers’ embrace to a piece of supermarket string cheese has won the dubious honour of first place in the 22nd annual Bulwer-Lytton Fiction Contest, aimed at finding the worst possible opening for an imaginary novel. "They had but one last remaining night together, so they embraced each other as tightly as that two-flavour entwined string cheese that is orange and yellowish-white, the orange probably being a bland Cheddar and the white … Mozzarella, although it could possibly be Provolone or just plain American, as it really doesn’t taste distinctly dissimilar from the orange, yet they would have you believe it does by colouring it differently," wrote Mariann Simms of Alabama, who won a $US250 prize on Wednesday for her efforts. The contest, sponsored by the English Department of San Jose State University, is named after the British novelist Edward George Bulwer-Lytton, whose 1830 novel Paul Clifford began with the notorious line: "It was a dark and stormy night." The department received thousands of entries from around the world and posted the full list of winners and "dishonourable mentions" on the website http://www.sjsu.edu/depts/english/2003.htm San Jose State English professor Scott Rice, who runs the contest, praised Simms’ mockery of a literary faux pas. "It’s an example of a writer who gets off task – you start off with steamy sex and end up with stinky cheese," said Rice when he announced the winners.

Nice opening line..cheesy i have to wonder though, how an australian bearded dragon ends up in a 15 year old’s private lizard collection in alabama. USA. these are a protected species. I know, because we have them here where i live. There are huge (MASSIVE) fines and jail terms for this sort of thing  (if the animal was obtained illegally). I am pretty sure there is no way these animals can go overseas unless they go to zoos and pass stringent guidelines. There is a lucrative black market trade however, people love our reptiles…pay BIG money. The woman who won this prize, and her son should probably brace themselves for a visit from Steve Irwin any moment. wrangler jane

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"Paula" wrote I think we should have our own attempt at this….

All right. "BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM!" Four steel-jacketed .44 caliber warning shots ripped through my groin, and I was off on the most fantastic adventure of my life.

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I got tears rolling down my face, here. Jef, don’t hurt yourself! (Oh how I wish I could be at the Maryland meet this weekend.) ep vvof

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "Paula" wrote I think we should have our own attempt at this…. All right. "BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM!" Four steel-jacketed .44 caliber warning shots ripped through my groin, and I was off on the most fantastic adventure of my life.

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Another maddening crave washed over her like the storm surge of a Category Five hurricane, and she hustled around the house like a squirrel with obsessive-compulsive disorder, checking all her "stash" spots for just one more cigarette, even though she’d just checked them an hour before, once again less than one day on the old battered Silkquit meter, which had been reset so many times there was a groove the size of the Grand Canyon worn in her mouse pad; and when she rifled desperately through the bottom of her blue paisley purse with the leather trim and double straps for a piece of nicotine gum and instead discovered a wealth of tobacco lint and cinnamon Altoid dust, her resolve crumbled like a house of cards on top of a clothes dryer, so with trembling hands she scraped the precious brown and pink flakes into a pile like a pharmacist compounding a prescription and, as she’d done countless times going to college in the 1970’s, albeit with a different type of tobacco, fastidiously arranged them on a tattered scrap of cash register receipt, then rolled and licked it into a perfect little white cylinder approximately two inches long and three-eighths of an inch in diameter, as pretty as anything Philip Morris manufactured except with blue printing on it, and as her gaze landed upon the aquarium where the fish floated lifeless at the surface, she considered that maybe dumping the Zippo in there had not been her best stay-quit idea. — Anne D. Visit my friend’s online Christian bookstore: http://www.goodnessandtruth.com

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ROFLMAO Anne! I give that one a 10! Paula

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Another maddening crave washed over her like the storm surge of a Category Five hurricane, and she hustled around the house like a squirrel with obsessive-compulsive disorder, checking all her "stash" spots for just one more cigarette, even though she’d just checked them an hour before, once again less than one day on the old battered Silkquit meter, which had been reset so many times there was a groove the size of the Grand Canyon worn in her mouse pad; and when she rifled desperately through the bottom of her blue paisley purse with the leather trim and double straps for a piece of nicotine gum and instead discovered a wealth of tobacco lint and cinnamon Altoid dust, her resolve crumbled like a house of cards on top of a clothes dryer, so with trembling hands she scraped the precious brown and pink flakes into a pile like a pharmacist compounding a prescription and, as she’d done countless times going to college in the 1970’s, albeit with a different type of tobacco, fastidiously arranged them on a tattered scrap of cash register receipt, then rolled and licked it into a perfect little white cylinder approximately two inches long and three-eighths of an inch in diameter, as pretty as anything Philip Morris manufactured except with blue printing on it, and as her gaze landed upon the aquarium where the fish floated lifeless at the surface, she considered that maybe dumping the Zippo in there had not been her best stay-quit idea. — Anne D. Visit my friend’s online Christian bookstore: http://www.goodnessandtruth.com

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does nobody caRE ABOUT  THE lizards? p.s. I am sp00ki now Wrangler calamity jane

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ROFLMAO Anne! I give that one a 10! Paula Another maddening crave washed over her like the storm surge of a Category Five hurricane, and she hustled around the house like a squirrel with obsessive-compulsive disorder, checking all her "stash" spots for just one more cigarette, even though she’d just checked them an hour before, once again less than one day on the old battered Silkquit meter, which had been reset so many times there was a groove the size of the Grand Canyon worn in her mouse pad; and when she rifled desperately through the bottom of her blue paisley purse with the leather trim and double straps for a piece of nicotine gum and instead discovered a wealth of tobacco lint and cinnamon Altoid dust, her resolve crumbled like a house of cards on top of a clothes dryer, so with trembling hands she scraped the precious brown and pink flakes into a pile like a pharmacist compounding a prescription and, as she’d done countless times going to college in the 1970’s, albeit with a different type of tobacco, fastidiously arranged them on a tattered scrap of cash register receipt, then rolled and licked it into a perfect little white cylinder approximately two inches long and three-eighths of an inch in diameter, as pretty as anything Philip Morris manufactured except with blue printing on it, and as her gaze landed upon the aquarium where the fish floated lifeless at the surface, she considered that maybe dumping the Zippo in there had not been her best stay-quit idea. — Anne D. Visit my friend’s online Christian bookstore: http://www.goodnessandtruth.com

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does nobody caRE ABOUT  THE lizards? p.s. I am sp00ki now Wrangler calamity jane

Of course we care Jane…. We just thought Frampy had bar-b-q’d them all…. He lives in Brisbane if you want to…ahem…*deal* with him steveb

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does nobody caRE ABOUT  THE lizards? p.s. I am sp00ki now Wrangler calamity jane Of course we care Jane…. We just thought Frampy had bar-b-q’d them all…. He lives in Brisbane if you want to…ahem…*deal* with him steveb

frampy is a HE?

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – does nobody caRE ABOUT  THE lizards? p.s. I am sp00ki now Wrangler calamity jane Of course we care Jane…. We just thought Frampy had bar-b-q’d them all…. He lives in Brisbane if you want to…ahem…*deal* with him steveb frampy is a HE?

/me pulls pants down… brrrrrr sure is cold, but yes I do see something… yes, definately male or as I said in another chat channel last night, who the hell has ever heard of a female called Frampy? I mean, what are the odds? LMAO

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/me pulls pants down… brrrrrr sure is cold, but yes I do see something…

If you look really closely…..rofl

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who the hell has ever heard of a female called Frampy? I mean, what are the odds? LMAO

Isn’t the female form of Frampy…..Trampy???

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Isn’t the female form of Frampy…..Trampy???

Please…nooooo…don’t start THAT again! lol steveb

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At one time, CPA’s made more than doctors.  Today, they have insurance paying their fees and we don’t. Actually, the turning point was 1946 when Penicillin was released for general use in the U.S. After that, Doctors stopped burying more people than they cured.  With the decline in death by doctor, the value of their services increased. Really?  Interesting.  I was told that it was about the time of employer provided health insurance, which probably was a tad after that event.

Yes, I am sure that there are multiple factors.  I am also sure that most of them tie to government interference.  It would be an interesting analysis, but it would require resources far and above what I could muster. One of the many problems with the CPA is that the value of the service has continually decreased (relative to the economy in general) over the last half century. IMHO, that has been mostly caused by the actions of the AICPA. I have no doubt the AICPA has a death wish for the CPA as a viable business. For sure they are out to crush the "little guy"….err….smaller firms, with tons and tons of paperwork and regulations caused by the actions (or lack thereof) of the "big guys"….errr…..Final 4 (was Big 5, Big 6, Big 8, you get the drift.)

Yes, you see the government continually moving in that direction.  IMHO, it is because it is easier for them to control a monopoly than it is a lot of independent businessmen. By 2020 there will be only the Big 1, AICPA style.

Yes, I assume that some where along the line there is the intent to merge the AICPA with the remaining Big 1 and then grant it a monopoly on attest.  The Federal government will then take it over in some grand scheme to protect the public.  By that time the IRS and the attorneys will have taken over the tax work. At any rate I’ve noticed that the socialists have been working very hard, along with the really bad work of the profession, to convince the public that the remaining four, and the rest of the profession by association, are not fit to do the publics auditing. — *             Ronald Lee Todd M.B.A., C.P.A.                  * * Unemployed for seven years, mistake of being an accountant. * *   Students, when someone tells you of your great future as  * *       an accountant, ask him to show you the job.           *

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At one time, CPA’s made more than doctors.  Today, they have insurance paying their fees and we don’t. Actually, the turning point was 1946 when Penicillin was released for general use in the U.S. After that, Doctors stopped burying more people than they cured.  With the decline in death by doctor, the value of their services increased.

Really?  Interesting.  I was told that it was about the time of employer provided health insurance, which probably was a tad after that event. One of the many problems with the CPA is that the value of the service has continually decreased (relative to the economy in general) over the last half century. IMHO, that has been mostly caused by the actions of the AICPA.

I have no doubt the AICPA has a death wish for the CPA as a viable business. For sure they are out to crush the "little guy"….err….smaller firms, with tons and tons of paperwork and regulations caused by the actions (or lack thereof) of the "big guys"….errr…..Final 4 (was Big 5, Big 6, Big 8, you get the drift.) By 2020 there will be only the Big 1, AICPA style. — Paul A. Thomas, CPA Athens,  Georgia

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At one time, CPA’s made more than doctors.  Today, they have insurance paying their fees and we don’t. Actually, the turning point was 1946 when Penicillin was released for general use in the U.S. After that, Doctors stopped burying more people than they cured.  With the decline in death by doctor, the value of their services increased. Really?  Interesting.  I was told that it was about the time of employer provided health insurance, which probably was a tad after that event.

Since virtually none of this thread is on topic (much, anyway), I’ll simply comment that both of the above are <massive over-simplifications (as all attempts at single-line explanation of any real phenomenon is bound to be).  Health care costs didn’t get to be that much excessive of the general inflation rate until the advent of the mixture of advanced technologies, stronger union demands and pressures for other benefit packages to expand during the good economic times beginning in the 50s and continuing during each boom cycle with increasing rate.  Not a small portion of the cost increase/service demand is actually driven by expanding Medicaid/Medicare entitlements and the change from a culture in which almost unlimited care is now considered a "right".  Not to leave out anyone, the rise of the mega-suit has certainly played a role as well. For the OP, while caring for aging parents isn’t always easy, in my view it’s just one of the responsibilities of being adult to see that things are done…certainly in my case after her stroke my mother is little if any better off than hers sounds to be.  As she’s 90 now, we oversee her financial affairs, etc., and look after her additional needs beyond what the assissted living facility can do.  It’s never-ending, but it’s just part of what has to be done. (I will note that if it’s for a medical necessity, the rent/care in a place such as that <may be tax deductible which <can offset a significant portion of the out of pocket cost, depending, of course, on the situation.)  Of course, if the parents were good planners rather than otherwise during their working years, it helps…but it isn’t the rest of societies’ fault if they weren’t.

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What year was that? — Mike Crosa Business & QuickBooks Coach Supporting clients achieve balance in their lives and improve their bottom line. 305-596-5698  Toll Free 888-850-8835  At one time, CPA’s made more than doctors.   – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — Paul A. Thomas, CPA Athens,  Georgia

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… At one time, CPA’s made more than doctors.  Today, they have insurance paying their fees and we don’t.

Actually, the turning point was 1946 when Penicillin was released for general use in the U.S. After that, Doctors stopped burying more people than they cured.  With the decline in death by doctor, the value of their services increased. One of the many problems with the CPA is that the value of the service has continually decreased (relative to the economy in general) over the last half century. IMHO, that has been mostly caused by the actions of the AICPA. — *             Ronald Lee Todd M.B.A., C.P.A.                  * * Unemployed for seven years, mistake of being an accountant. * *   Students, when someone tells you of your great future as  * *       an accountant, ask him to show you the job.           *

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And I’m sure every one of them will hire my disabled mother, who is in a wheel chair and can barely brush her own hair, or my father, who is obnoxious and has trembling hands.

There are no doubt, lots of people that need assistance.  There IS for sure, lots more people taking advantage of the system and placing a huge drain on it.  It’s a tough call as to who should and who should not get some form of public (taxpayer funded) assistance. I doubt the elderly (who paid into social security most of their lives so that they could starve or go without needed medication now that they are too old to work) can live with their parents.  I know *my* grandparents are dead.  My parents, fortunately, own their house, and because their income is so low, the *state* has decided they do not have to pay real estate taxes anymore.  In fact, if it weren’t for medicaid, I have no doubt they would have had to sell their house and would be living with me now (which none of us particualarly wants).

Social Security was never ever intended to be a full retirement package.  I have clients receiving their monthly check that use it to go on vacations, yet I have others that need every dime and then some to survive. But, within the SSA and Medicare system there is enough fraud to save a few billion or so if it were cleaned up. No, it’s not.  But there’s also absolutly no reason why medical expenses should contiue to soar to unreasonable heights so that the only people who can possibly afford them are the ones who have employers who pay their insurance costs (which are soaring correspondingly) and the ones who are so rich they could own the companies that make the medicines.

Well, the law of supply and demand will very quickly come into play if Doctors had to look the patient in the eyes and ask for full payment.  And, patients wouldn’t rush their entire family to the doctors at the first sniffle if they had to fork out the money from their own pocket.  Insurance. Insurance is what has driven UP the cost of medical services, because the doctor doesn’t have to ask you for payment, and insurance has caused the patients to demand more medical services by running to the doctors (or the emergency room) when the kid gets a runny nose (after all, it’s not them who has to pay). At one time, CPA’s made more than doctors.  Today, they have insurance paying their fees and we don’t. — Paul A. Thomas, CPA Athens,  Georgia

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Not in towns where the elderly poor can afford to live, we don’t.

Did you know, statistically, those over 65 years of age are the wealthiest segment or our population? From a rational, economic standpoint, our present extremely generous national policy, makes absolutely no sense what so ever? That tyrants always pick out one example and hold it up as a reason that the majority have to surrender another constitutional right? That there is absolutely no accounting or accountability for public expenditures in these national programs? That every time we have enacted another solution it has hurt the finances of the succeeding generations? That most of the people around here can actually read books and are aware of what is really going on in these "social feel good cash sinks." — *             Ronald Lee Todd M.B.A., C.P.A.                  * * Unemployed for seven years, mistake of being an accountant. * *   Students, when someone tells you of your great future as  * *       an accountant, ask him to show you the job.           *

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If you are unemployed, need health care, need an abortion, need housing, or assistance in getting medication or heating your home Get a job (today’s paper has lots of positions available)

And I’m sure every one of them will hire my disabled mother, who is in a wheel chair and can barely brush her own hair, or my father, who is obnoxious and has trembling hands. Health care is not a "freedom" guaranteed by the Constitution, get a job (see above) and buy your own damn insurance just like I have to. Leaving my own convictions out of this, if you chose to have an abortion, you have to pay for it. You can always live with your parents.

I doubt the elderly (who paid into social security most of their lives so that they could starve or go without needed medication now that they are too old to work) can live with their parents.  I know *my* grandparents are dead.  My parents, fortunately, own their house, and because their income is so low, the *state* has decided they do not have to pay real estate taxes anymore.  In fact, if it weren’t for medicaid, I have no doubt they would have had to sell their house and would be living with me now (which none of us particualarly wants). Medication is not a "right" guaranteed in the Constitution.  Get a job (see above), buy some insurance (see above), and in the end, probalby have to pay for your own medications anyway.

No, it’s not.  But there’s also absolutly no reason why medical expenses should contiue to soar to unreasonable heights so that the only people who can possibly afford them are the ones who have employers who pay their insurance costs (which are soaring correspondingly) and the ones who are so rich they could own the companies that make the medicines. Many of our elderly put their lives on the line to defend us in World War 2. And we have the Veterans Administration hospitals.

Not in towns where the elderly poor can afford to live, we don’t.

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Get a job (today’s paper has lots of positions available) Only if you want to serve fries with that hamburger….

To dignified to get a job, but not to ashamed to ask for handouts? Health care is not a "freedom" guaranteed by the Constitution, get a job (see above) and buy your own damn insurance just like I have to. So if you aren’t rich you have the right to die? That sounds really progressive.

You have the right to pay for your healthcare, just like I have to. Medication is not a "right" guaranteed in the Constitution.  Get a job (see above), buy some insurance (see above), and in the end, probalby have to pay for your own medications anyway. But then if you withhold life saving medication it is murder and murder last time I looked was illegal.

I can’t afford a nice (three week) vacation to Maui, which would be good for my soul, reduce my stress, and keep me from having a heart attack, yet I’m not asking for taxpayers to flip the bill. — Paul A. Thomas, CPA Athens,  Georgia

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Get a job (today’s paper has lots of positions available)

Only if you want to serve fries with that hamburger…. Health care is not a "freedom" guaranteed by the Constitution, get a job (see above) and buy your own damn insurance just like I have to.

So if you aren’t rich you have the right to die? That sounds really progressive. Leaving my own convictions out of this, if you chose to have an abortion, you have to pay for it.

And if the right to life people have their way you could not buy it any price. Medication is not a "right" guaranteed in the Constitution.  Get a job (see above), buy some insurance (see above), and in the end, probalby have to pay for your own medications anyway.

But then if you withhold life saving medication it is murder and murder last time I looked was illegal. Many of our elderly put their lives on the line to defend us in World War 2. And we have the Veterans Administration hospitals.

You’ve never seen a VA hospital have you. If we are going to treat veterans this way nobody should volunmteer for the military.

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I have the right "NOT" to be tolerant of others because they are different, weird, or tick me off.  When 70% of the people who get arrested are black, in cities where 70% of the population is black, that is not racial profiling, it is the law of statistics.

If you are black you go to to jail.  If you are white and work at Enron you are just as guilty but don’t go to jail. I believe that if you are selling me a milk shake, a pack of cigarettes, a newspaper or a hotel room, you must do it in English!  As a matter of fact, if you want to be an American citizen you should have to speak English!. My father and grandfather shouldn’t have to die in vain so you can leave the countries you were born in to come over and disrespect ours.

Maybe if you want to stay in america you should be required to speak the same language as Naitive Americans since they were here first.   I think Bill Gates has every right to keep every penny he made and continue to make more. If it ticks you off, go and invent the next  operating system that’s better and put your name on the building. Ask your buddy  that invented the Internet to help you.

They did. It’s called Linux.

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If you are unemployed, need health care, need an abortion, need housing, or assistance in getting medication or heating your home

Get a job (today’s paper has lots of positions available) Health care is not a "freedom" guaranteed by the Constitution, get a job (see above) and buy your own damn insurance just like I have to. Leaving my own convictions out of this, if you chose to have an abortion, you have to pay for it. You can always live with your parents. Medication is not a "right" guaranteed in the Constitution.  Get a job (see above), buy some insurance (see above), and in the end, probalby have to pay for your own medications anyway. Many of our elderly put their lives on the line to defend us in World War 2.

And we have the Veterans Administration hospitals. — Paul A. Thomas, CPA Athens,  Georgia

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The state of the union is a disgrace.

This was sent to me the other day, and it may be appropriate here. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I like big cars, big boats, big motorcycles, big houses and big campfires.   I believe the money I make belongs to me and my family, not some governmental stooge with a bad comb-over who wants to give it away to crack addicts for squirting out babies. Guns do not make you a killer. I think killing makes you a killer. You can kill someone with a baseball bat or a car, but no one is trying to ban you from driving to the ball game. I believe they are called the Boy Scouts for a reason, that is why there are no girls allowed. Girls belong in the Girl Scouts! I think that if you feel homosexuality is wrong, it is not a phobia, it is an opinion.  I don’t think being a minority makes you a victim of anything except numbers.  The only things I can think of that are truly discriminatory are things like the United Negro College Fund, Jet Magazine, Black Entertainment Television, and Miss Black America. Try to have things like the United Caucasian College Fund, Cloud Magazine, White Entertainment Television, or Miss White America and see what happens. Jesse Jackson will be knocking down your door. I have the right "NOT" to be tolerant of others because they are different, weird, or tick me off.  When 70% of the people who get arrested are black, in cities where 70% of the population is black, that is not racial profiling, it is the law of statistics. I know what sex is, and there are not varying degrees of it. If I received sex from one of my subordinates in my office, it wouldn’t be a private matter or my personal business. I would be "FIRED" immediately! I believe that if you are selling me a milk shake, a pack of cigarettes, a newspaper or a hotel room, you must do it in English!  As a matter of fact, if you want to be an American citizen you should have to speak English!. My father and grandfather shouldn’t have to die in vain so you can leave the countries you were born in to come over and disrespect ours. I think the police should have every right to shoot your sorry ass if you threaten them after they tell you to stop. If you can’t understand the word "freeze" or "stop" in English, see the above lines. I feel much safer letting a machine with no political affiliation recount votes when needed. I know what the definition of lying is. I don’t think just because you were not born in this country, you are qualified for any special loan programs, government sponsored bank loans or tax breaks, etc.., so you can open a hotel, coffee shop, trinket store, or any other business. We did not go to the aid of certain foreign countries and risk our lives in wars to defend their freedoms so that decades later they could come over here and tell us our constitution is a living document and open to their interpretations. I don’t hate the rich. I don’t pity the poor. I know wrestling is fake, but so are movies and television, and that doesn’t stop you from watching them. I believe a self-righteous liberal or conservative with a cause is more dangerous than a Hell’s Angel with an attitude. I think Bill Gates has every right to keep every penny he made and continue to make more. If it ticks you off, go and invent the next operating system that’s better and put your name on the building. Ask your buddy that invented the Internet to help you. It doesn’t take a whole village to raise a child right, but it does take a parent to stand up to the kid and smack their little ass’ when necessary and say "NO. "I think tattoos and piercing are fine if you want them, but please don’t pretend they are a political statement. And Please stay home until that new lip ring heals, I don’t want to look at your ugly infected mouth as you serve me f*&%king fries! I am sick of "Political Correctness" and of all the suck ups that go along with it. I know a lot of black people, and not a single one of them was born in Africa, so how can they be "African-Americans"? Besides, Africa is a continent. I don’t go around saying I am a European-American because my great, great, great, great, great, great grandfather was from Europe. I am proud to be from America and nowhere else. And if you don’t like my point of view, tough shit!

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George Bush has given the state of the union address. The state of the union is a disgrace. Bush is saying to anyone who makes less than 10 million a year to drop dead.  If you are unemployed, need health care, need an abortion, need housing, or assistance in getting medication or heating your home you can drop dead.   Many of our elderly put their lives on the line to defend us in World War 2. How do we reward them?  They getr to choose whether this week they will get food, medication, or heat.   Remember that when you think about going to defend the US in Iraq.   Around here there was a man who put his life on the line to defend the country in Korea.   How did he get rewarded?  He froze to death on the streets of Boston last week when he was among the homeless in zero degree weather.

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Does anybody here actually pay this much for a basic grind & polish? I charge about $30 for this job.

I pay about $50 I’d guess.  I’m not real sure exactly since it’s been a while since I had it done and at that point a bunch of other work was done too. My acoustic is currently going through a neck reset, refret, board leveling, new nut, new saddle, etc.–this will all told probably cost more than the guitar is worth on the market, but I like the instrument so it’s worth it to *me*.  (It should have been done a bit back, but the luthier has had some outside problems that he needed to deal with.)     Jay — — "Postmodernists in particular distrust any theory that can be fully explained by resorting to words that already exist in the English language." -Mr. Pravda  

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(2nd attempt – Tiscali server problems ?) 1 eyed jack  wrote  Get good at it and the job is worth $150-$200 to others.

"JM"  wrote Where I live (South Africa) the guitar techs charge about half of that, but it’s all relative and it’s a lot of money.

Just for the record, I had a Strat stoned & polished and allegedly set up through Modern Music in Basingstoke (UK) a few weeks ago. It cost 35 GBP – around 55 USD or Euros but they didn’t touch the bridge, so I guess I had set it up perfectly already. They probably tweaked the spring retaining screws on the tremelo as heavier strings went on at the same time. I must admit I was a little concerned when the guy in the shop said "Lovely colour, one of the early Made In Japan models". Pardon me, it’s about 8 years older than that, I didn’t say. Not a lot of choice around here, though, it seems. I’m happy with the fret job. CorneliusJRat o<8O~

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25.00-35.00 around here     central Ohio

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – … Get good at it and the job is worth $150-$200 to others. JD Does anybody here actually pay this much for a basic grind & polish? I charge about $30 for this job.

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… Get good at it and the job is worth $150-$200 to others. JD

Does anybody here actually pay this much for a basic grind & polish? I charge about $30 for this job.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all You may remember that last week I was agonising about whether to buy an Aria TA-60 semi-acoustic (ES-335 imitation) that had a deep bow in the neck. Here’s what happened. Thanks to advice from the group (thanks Twang and CS in particular) I decided to see if I could knock the seller down and then give straightening the neck a go. Pitched up at the seller’s and, as it turned out when I examined the guitar again, my febrile imagination had exaggerated the amount of neck relief — it wasn’t 1/4" as I said; more like 1/6". That made me feel better. Tested the truss rod and it was free. I offered $75, which was accepted. Got the thing home and spent a couple of days making small turns of the truss rod each night and morning. I didn’t keep records of the amount of turning, but I should think it took no more than a turn and a half to straighten up the neck. Whew! With trembling hands I tuned up, plugged in and tried to play. Damn! The sodding thing had buzzes all over the neck, and with fairly high action. Gave the neck a bit more relief. Same story. A bit less. No obvious improvement. It’s not a very exact science, sighting down the neck, but it looked to me as if some frets were higher than others. I didn’t have a short straightedge to do the three-fret rocking trick, but a long steel ruler seemed to confirm that the frets were somewhat higgledy-piggledy. I wonder why? No great wear on them and no obvious underlying distortion of the neck. Anyway, to hell with the reasons: I was feeling reckless. I’d only risked $75 and I reckoned it was about time to try out the fret-dressing technique I’d read about on frets.com. Took me off to the local second-hand shop and bought a big old Stanley plane for $3. Off to the hardware shop for some 600 and 1,000 grit water-paper and a little triangular file. Took the strings off the guitar and eased off the truss rod to create a little relief in the neck to simulate string tension. Marked the top of each fret with black permanent marker. Laid the guitar down on an old mattress (precision work, this), wrapped half a sheet of 600-grit paper around the plane (blade already removed!) and began, very gingerly, to slide it up and down the neck. Almost immediately it was clear, from the amount of material removed from the different frets, that some were higher than their neighbours. Oh ho, I thought. Of course, when your plane isn’t as long as the neck, you can’t be sure you’re not sanding excessively in one area. I just tried to feel my way and to check the frets often by eye. Had to rock the plane, too (as recommended on frets.com), to follow the fingerboard radius. Anyway, after not terribly many strokes of the plane, I had removed a little material from every fret on the neck. And a lot more from some than from others. Time for a sighting down the neck: yes, things were looking much better. Straightedge seemed to tell the same story. Now it was time to wrap the neck between the frets with loads of masking tape. I probably should have done it before I started sanding, but you know how it goes, and in any case I didn’t do any damage. And then it was out with the little triangular file. This was the challenging part. It took me ages to re-crown the first couple of frets, although my eye was helped by the remnants of the permanent marker markings. After a while I got the hang of it: I got a sense of what orientation to start the file off at, and then how far it could be turned without damaging the crucial top of each fret. Three hours later (!) I was finished. The frets all looked nice and shiny bright, and the flat tops had all been eliminated. The frets’ sides had all been scratched by the file, though, so I took another piece of advice from frets.com and rubbed a piece of 1,000-grit paper vigorously up and down the neck. ‘Kin magic. All nicely smoothed off. With shaking hands I put on a new set of light strings. Tuned up and checked the neck relief. Adjustment needed. But, hey, it wasn’t buzzing when I played a few scales! God, was I feeling pleased with myself. Gave the truss rod a little tweak and left the guitar for a couple of hours to stabilise. Came back and the relief was looking more or less okay. Tuned up again. Played some more. No buzzing! Praise the lord! Decided to get adventurous and see how far I could lower the action. Quite bloody far, as it turned out. All the way down to the limit of adjustment, in fact — although at that point I started to get some frantic buzzing in a few places on the neck. So I eased the bridge up a bit, retuned and set the intonation. At this point I poured myself a celebratory stiff shot of Scotch. I couldn’t believe what I had done. This was something a luthier would have charged me more than the price of the goddam guitar to do. This instrument now plays better — yes, really — than any of my others, including a virtually brand-new Yamaha AES800B, which is a fine piece of workmanship. It’s not completely perfect, it must be said. It appears that I somewhat neglected the frets on the high-E side of the neck, since that’s where the buzzing began as I lowered the action to extremes. But all in all I now have a fine guitar that works exactly as it should, and with low action. Beginner’s luck? Quite possibly. Yet, undaunted by that thought, I’m about to take up my trusty $3 plane once more and attack the frets of my old Fernandes strat, which has got some serious wear. I thought I’d tell you this tale in all its tediousness because my experience suggests that anybody who’s a bit handy and proceeds with caution ought to be able to do this. Or am I wrong? Cheers JM

Sometime it’s kind of nice to have a "cheap" guitar to practice on. I’ve got an old Peavey that has been subjected to all kinds of abuse and it just keeps playing. Although it’s not my best sounding guitar, it definately is my best playing guitar! Gary

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Hi all You may remember that last week I was agonising about whether to buy an Aria TA-60 semi-acoustic (ES-335 imitation) that had a deep bow in the neck. Here’s what happened. Thanks to advice from the group (thanks Twang and CS in particular) I decided to see if I could knock the seller down and then give straightening the neck a go. Pitched up at the seller’s and, as it turned out when I examined the guitar again, my febrile imagination had exaggerated the amount of neck relief — it wasn’t 1/4" as I said; more like 1/6". That made me feel better. Tested the truss rod and it was free. I offered $75, which was accepted. Got the thing home and spent a couple of days making small turns of the truss rod each night and morning. I didn’t keep records of the amount of turning, but I should think it took no more than a turn and a half to straighten up the neck. Whew! With trembling hands I tuned up, plugged in and tried to play. Damn! The sodding thing had buzzes all over the neck, and with fairly high action. Gave the neck a bit more relief. Same story. A bit less. No obvious improvement. It’s not a very exact science, sighting down the neck, but it looked to me as if some frets were higher than others. I didn’t have a short straightedge to do the three-fret rocking trick, but a long steel ruler seemed to confirm that the frets were somewhat higgledy-piggledy. I wonder why? No great wear on them and no obvious underlying distortion of the neck. Anyway, to hell with the reasons: I was feeling reckless. I’d only risked $75 and I reckoned it was about time to try out the fret-dressing technique I’d read about on frets.com. Took me off to the local second-hand shop and bought a big old Stanley plane for $3. Off to the hardware shop for some 600 and 1,000 grit water-paper and a little triangular file. Took the strings off the guitar and eased off the truss rod to create a little relief in the neck to simulate string tension. Marked the top of each fret with black permanent marker. Laid the guitar down on an old mattress (precision work, this), wrapped half a sheet of 600-grit paper around the plane (blade already removed!) and began, very gingerly, to slide it up and down the neck. Almost immediately it was clear, from the amount of material removed from the different frets, that some were higher than their neighbours. Oh ho, I thought. Of course, when your plane isn’t as long as the neck, you can’t be sure you’re not sanding excessively in one area. I just tried to feel my way and to check the frets often by eye. Had to rock the plane, too (as recommended on frets.com), to follow the fingerboard radius. Anyway, after not terribly many strokes of the plane, I had removed a little material from every fret on the neck. And a lot more from some than from others. Time for a sighting down the neck: yes, things were looking much better. Straightedge seemed to tell the same story. Now it was time to wrap the neck between the frets with loads of masking tape. I probably should have done it before I started sanding, but you know how it goes, and in any case I didn’t do any damage. And then it was out with the little triangular file. This was the challenging part. It took me ages to re-crown the first couple of frets, although my eye was helped by the remnants of the permanent marker markings. After a while I got the hang of it: I got a sense of what orientation to start the file off at, and then how far it could be turned without damaging the crucial top of each fret. Three hours later (!) I was finished. The frets all looked nice and shiny bright, and the flat tops had all been eliminated. The frets’ sides had all been scratched by the file, though, so I took another piece of advice from frets.com and rubbed a piece of 1,000-grit paper vigorously up and down the neck. ‘Kin magic. All nicely smoothed off. With shaking hands I put on a new set of light strings. Tuned up and checked the neck relief. Adjustment needed. But, hey, it wasn’t buzzing when I played a few scales! God, was I feeling pleased with myself. Gave the truss rod a little tweak and left the guitar for a couple of hours to stabilise. Came back and the relief was looking more or less okay. Tuned up again. Played some more. No buzzing! Praise the lord! Decided to get adventurous and see how far I could lower the action. Quite bloody far, as it turned out. All the way down to the limit of adjustment, in fact — although at that point I started to get some frantic buzzing in a few places on the neck. So I eased the bridge up a bit, retuned and set the intonation. At this point I poured myself a celebratory stiff shot of Scotch. I couldn’t believe what I had done. This was something a luthier would have charged me more than the price of the goddam guitar to do. This instrument now plays better — yes, really — than any of my others, including a virtually brand-new Yamaha AES800B, which is a fine piece of workmanship. It’s not completely perfect, it must be said. It appears that I somewhat neglected the frets on the high-E side of the neck, since that’s where the buzzing began as I lowered the action to extremes. But all in all I now have a fine guitar that works exactly as it should, and with low action. Beginner’s luck? Quite possibly. Yet, undaunted by that thought, I’m about to take up my trusty $3 plane once more and attack the frets of my old Fernandes strat, which has got some serious wear. I thought I’d tell you this tale in all its tediousness because my experience suggests that anybody who’s a bit handy and proceeds with caution ought to be able to do this. Or am I wrong? Cheers JM

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It *is* tedious work and many of us who would be inclined to take on a such a task on a $75 Ebay special wouldn’t dream of subjecting  our "babies" to our amateur attempts. The typical factory fret job sucks and nearly every guitar I’ve ever seen can be improved by a good fret level and polish. Good on ya for doing your own. Get good at it and the job is worth $150-$200 to others. JD

Where I live (South Africa) the guitar techs charge about half of that, but it’s all relative and it’s a lot of money. I must confess to a moment of delusion during my dizzy triumph when I thought I might chuck up the day job and dress people’s frets instead, but the moment didn’t last long. Still, I am quite keen to get into more of this sort of stuff. Knowledge is power and all that. Maybe I’ll try a complete refret next. I know what you mean about fear of amateur depredations on a cherished guitar, but my one-time favourite, a San Dimas-period Jackson, has been played to death and has very low frets after a couple of (expensive pro) levellings. It may be ideal practice fodder. Thanks for your encouragement. JM PS. In case anyone is tempted to follow the method I described in my previous post, I left out a crucial step. You need to remove the nut before you start sanding! Put something flat and blunt up against it and give that a gentle whack with something heavy. Then take a flashlight and retrieve the nut from under the sofa. To reattach the nut, again cravenly following frets.com, I used the gloopy kind of cyanoacrylate glue, not standard runny superglue.

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Hi all You may remember that last week I was agonising about whether to buy an Aria TA-60 semi-acoustic (ES-335 imitation) that had a deep bow in the neck. Here’s what happened.

(snip a lot of good stuff) It *is* tedious work and many of us who would be inclined to take on a such a task on a $75 Ebay special wouldn’t dream of subjecting  our "babies" to our amateur attempts. The typical factory fret job sucks and nearly every guitar I’ve ever seen can be improved by a good fret level and polish. Good on ya for doing your own. Get good at it and the job is worth $150-$200 to others. JD

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Ozzy at least was smoking again because the local radio station is giving away the cigarette butt from when BC & Woody met and interviewed Ozzy in September. Still, Ozzy looked exceptionally healthy at the signing in LA. Just intent and hard at work. The man does NOT look anywhere near 50 years of age! So let us focus on Ozzy as looking and feeling great, because it’s true!!! Suzanne

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My mom & I bolth agree seeing Ozzy these days he looks alot more healthy than he did 10 years ago & she also said that he looks great for his age & she is 47 herself. He looks a hell of alot better than guys like Keith Richards for example if you ask me so don’t worry be happy.

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Ozzy is smoking again? He was doing good on the Ozzfest tour. He had these little nicotine things he’d suck on, looked like a cigarette, but it wasn’t.

Katie I am just going by what someone posted about Ozzy smoking at a meet and greet.  I am assuming that this person would know the difference between a cig and one of those fake things…but I could be wrong.  I hope that Ozzy isn’t smoking again and that the person was incorrect.  Ohhh I feel sooo out of the loop…nobody comes to Northern Cal:-( Blck "Frances loved her little pets, and dressed them differently every day."

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If only Ozzy would stop smoking and maintain a normal weight…but alas the spirit is willing but the flesh is weak.

Ozzy is smoking again? He was doing good on the Ozzfest tour. He had these little nicotine things he’d suck on, looked like a cigarette, but it wasn’t. He hadn’t had a cigarette for 3 months when I interviewed him back in July…. ~Katie http://members.aol.com/Dreams126/oz.html

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Ozzy is smoking again? He was doing good on the Ozzfest tour. He had these little nicotine things he’d suck on, looked like a cigarette, but it wasn’t. Katie I am just going by what someone posted about Ozzy smoking at a meet and greet.  I am assuming that this person would know the difference between a cig and one of those fake things…but I could be wrong.  I hope that Ozzy isn’t smoking again and that the person was incorrect.  Ohhh I feel sooo out of the loop…nobody comes to Northern Cal:-( Blck "Frances loved her little pets, and dressed them differently every day."

At the Boston signing, Ozzy had this thing in his mouth. It though it was a cigarette at first, but when I got up to him it appeared to be a piece of paper rolled up like a cigarette. I’m not up to date on all the nicotine products available today, but maybe this is what people are referring to. Plisskin

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I think I have discovered why Ozzy looks "tired and or ill" lately.  For one he is really busy and two I think he has been on one of those starvation diets that he goes on.   Because on the Revue show he looks a lot heavier then he does now and that was not too long ago.  In that past Ozzy has actually just stopped eating all together in order to lose weight (he then gets anorexic), so I think that is why he has been kind of low energy and down.  If only Ozzy would stop smoking and maintain a normal weight…but alas the spirit is willing but the flesh is weak. Blck "Frances loved her little pets, and dressed them differently every day."

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he looked pretty healthy/energetic at the Queen’s concert.  His voice sounded pretty good too.  

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Thanks guys I have heard a little about these reports but didn’t realise that Ozzy and Sharon had spoke out about his condition. Lets just hope it doesn’t get any worse. Thanks again Andy

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – HE claims on the last episode that he has ADD & is also dyslexic. It’s brain damage related from years of drug addiction. He also says he’s been told not to drink alcohol. Does anyone know the real sate of Ozzy’s health. If you have any genuine information, I’m sure we’d all like to know. He does look a little sluggish these days and his trembling hands are concerning. Please – ONLY information that has some backup. Andy A person is born with dyslexia; it is not drug-induced. ADD is usually genetic as well, but after years of drug abuse and the consequential inability of the brain to naturally produce dopamine, I can see where ADD would be a by-product of that.  Sharon has said (on an episode or magazine article, can’t remember) that he mumbles sometimes because he also takes pain medication for the leg and ankle injuries.  Seems like she also had something to say about his shakes, but don’t recall that either.

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HE claims on the last episode that he has ADD & is also dyslexic. It’s brain damage related from years of drug addiction. He also says he’s been told not to drink alcohol.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone know the real sate of Ozzy’s health. If you have any genuine information, I’m sure we’d all like to know. He does look a little sluggish these days and his trembling hands are concerning. Please – ONLY information that has some backup. Andy

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – HE claims on the last episode that he has ADD & is also dyslexic. It’s brain damage related from years of drug addiction. He also says he’s been told not to drink alcohol. Does anyone know the real sate of Ozzy’s health. If you have any genuine information, I’m sure we’d all like to know. He does look a little sluggish these days and his trembling hands are concerning. Please – ONLY information that has some backup. Andy

A person is born with dyslexia; it is not drug-induced. ADD is usually genetic as well, but after years of drug abuse and the consequential inability of the brain to naturally produce dopamine, I can see where ADD would be a by-product of that.  Sharon has said (on an episode or magazine article, can’t remember) that he mumbles sometimes because he also takes pain medication for the leg and ankle injuries.  Seems like she also had something to say about his shakes, but don’t recall that either. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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Does anyone know the real sate of Ozzy’s health. If you have any genuine information, I’m sure we’d all like to know. He does look a little sluggish these days and his trembling hands are concerning. Please – ONLY information that has some backup. Andy

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I am working with some friends who are trying to help a woman who is in trouble. She was committed for a while but managed to gain her relase with a lawyer, and is, as a result,  more than ever convinced that she is okay and the rest of us are persecuting her. Along with all the other problems, it appears that she has gone back to drinking heavily while on Lithium. As she does not appear to have trembling hands, her Lithium is either a light dose, or she is on a Beta Blocker as well. The drinking is very heavy, and as a result of several bizarre phone calls in the last 24 hours, I am greatly concerned that she is no longer in the same zip code as reality.   Plans are again being made for an intervention, but for the immediate moment, I need to know what, if any, effects are the result of the alcohol and Lithium combo. To the best of my knowledge, no other drugs are involved.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am working with some friends who are trying to help a woman who is in trouble. She was committed for a while but managed to gain her relase with a lawyer, and is, as a result,  more than ever convinced that she is okay and the rest of us are persecuting her. Along with all the other problems, it appears that she has gone back to drinking heavily while on Lithium. As she does not appear to have trembling hands, her Lithium is either a light dose, or she is on a Beta Blocker as well. The drinking is very heavy, and as a result of several bizarre phone calls in the last 24 hours, I am greatly concerned that she is no longer in the same zip code as reality.  Plans are again being made for an intervention, but for the immediate moment, I need to know what, if any, effects are the result of the alcohol and Lithium combo. To the best of my knowledge, no other drugs are involved.

This is another repost of an old post.  Just another alt.net crackpot post. Sincerely Stewart —

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The Death of Zarathustra by H. Michael Barrett Late one night after I had read the last page of Nietzsche’s Zarathustra, and before rereading the first page, I fell asleep and dreamt a dream of all that logically went between: When Zarathustra was over one hundred and ten years old, and it was the appropriate time, he died in an out of the way place called Bethsaida (The New Testament place where Jesus’ preaching was ignored).The sun did not rise and the rooster did not crow, prompting his frightened neighbors to summon a doctor and an exorcist – this being customary in such circumstances.Although an examination revealed some peculiar marks visible on Zarathustra’s head, neck, chest, and ankles, these were dismissed as some type of permanent political stigmata; thus the death certificate was signed.Word of strange events then spread quickly throughout the town, and to soothe the worry of more naive minds the ecclesiastical authorities decided to place Zarathustra in mock trial. Propped up in a chair and held fast by ropes, the old man offered no resistance to the arrangement. A Catholic volunteered as prosecutor, a Protestant as judge, townspeople of varying descriptions acted as jury, and a popular baker represented the accused. "Here is the demon who even now manages to provoke our anguish with his legacy of atheistic malevolence. Let him be found guilty, then forgotten forever in the unhallowed ground" railed the prosecutor. As for the baker, being a simple man outside the established ways of theological and legal argument, his only recourse was to draw upon his own experience while speaking for the accused: "It may be a difficult leap to make, fellow citizens, but even here is the image of one deserving your love. Zarathustra’s intention was not to destroy you or even to take anything away from you – it was to make you stronger! It is better to liken even his most merciless prods to the yeast which causes bread to rise to its full height.""That’s quite irreverent, though it may be material," countered the prosecutor; "for in my church, before the sacrament of Eucharist is distributed, we draw on stocks of unleavened bread." Certainly, this was a promising point, but as it was now long past the time desirable for everyone’s noontide meal, and the baker had the means to relieve their greatest emptiness, he decided to provide a tasty riposte: "In all appreciation of that exception, as it is I who provides all the bread in this district – including what the churches distribute to the poor – it should be pointed out that the supply of flour available for my helpers to gather has been diminishing, and only the prudent use of yeast can insure enough to feed everyone" Needless to say, the verdict eventually came in that everyone involved was ravenously hungry, which did much to expedite a decision on Zarathustra: And that is how he came to be buried, in sort of a compromise, beneath an unhallowed path immediately outside the narrow gate of the cemetery. Yet, not long after, three scruffy looking grave-robbers arrived to fetch him from where he was content to lay; a Marxist, an anarchist, and a gaunt faced National Socialist. And while these three engaged in an acrimonious debate about who was Zarathustra’s nearest relative, they dug up his material body and carried it away. Yes, stiffened arms jutting over supporting shoulders, and ramrod legs held in trembling hands, they stumbled away like drunken sailors returning to the safety of some familiar ship.What little reason remained soon gave way to emotions, as the three were so overwhelmed by their old master’s predicament that they were incapable of recognizing his true condition. "Zarathustra wants to come with me" blubbered the Marxist. "His persistent posture indicates he is only battered and still unbowed." To this the gaunt faced National Socialist replied, while bearing the burden on the other side, "Your brain is out of dialectical order, halt-foot! The fox feigns his injury, and your only reward will be a bite of my old values." Then holding up the feet and walking backwards, the anarchist insisted – as usual- in getting in the last word: "Far from having any immediate ambitions, it’s obvious my uncooperative brother is determined to impede you."Soon, all that was left at the open grave was a discarded shovel, the only lantern the three had brought to know the way, and the odd flickering shadow of Zarathustra’s spirit. This ghost sat on a big stone nearby, closer than any of them had dared to hope, and it waited until the declamation of the last follower died out in the wintery night air: "O restless dark day! You herald the approach of a new dawn!" Said Zarathustra’s spirit. Then finding a more definitive aphorism rising in his throat, he summoned his animals to draw near; for wise enough to keep a respectable distance from the fray, they had only waited to hear. And although at first they didn’t recognize Zarathustra’s now child like countenance – which usually moved much slower, the bad poetry reassured them: "Lost and marooned are they who nourish themselves solely on what cannot be properly digested." Then speaking of higher men: "But truly blessed is the special one who miraculously increases what the helpers gather to give." Thus it was spoken, as in a dream. A PLE is defined as the conscious White community – initially possessing greatly contrasting views among its residents – which comes to dominate a geographical area. It is an entity which our opponents and competitors have made no provision to account for within the "legal process," thus it has even less reality to them than the old White community. As such a PLE is in itself immune from all forms of legal liability, without making a mockery of the law. That is not to declare that a PLE is immune from repression, only that there is nothing in the law to prevent it from coming into being, eventually evolving into higher levels of legal recognition, and striving for the self determination of its residents by any means conscious Whites will support. A Pioneer/Little Europe is a generic term for any local community where Whites live in close proximity to businesses which offer cultural facilities and services, most of whom openly support their political revival. More advanced than the old Little Europes and White communities, Pioneer Little Europes are based on a study of the organizing principles shared among the more modern political communities that continue to dismember Whites geographically, culturally, and politically. Visit a supporting web site to print out a free copy of the entire PLE prospectus, and use the "Advance Scout" forum at Stormfront to either announce your own interest in local community building or to find others who already believe it’s the wave of the future. http://www.euroknowledge.net/ple.phtml Click Here: EuroKnowledge Articles – Pioneer Little Europe

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i have spent most of my year learning what high bg’s are.  i have done everything i can to make my bg’s stay around 90 or lower,about a week ago, I woke up and checked my fasting, and it was 55.  a few days later, i checked my blood after supper, (but before my medicine 500mg Glucophage 2x daily) and it was 58.  that was so low and before a dose, i had to check again.  it was 55.   i am worried that i might be getting my bg’s too low.  is there such a thing?  this past week my bg’s have been in the 70’s and i have been fairly grouchy (correlation or causation?)  i have also felt a little shakey. any advice? thanks, chris —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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i am worried that i might be getting my bg’s too low.  is there such a thing?  this past week my bg’s have been in the 70’s and i have been

There certainly is, and it’s potentially dangerous.  It’s called hypoglycemia and you need to take steps to increase your BG if it get’s too low. fairly grouchy (correlation or causation?)  i have also felt a little shakey.

Causation.  Shakiness and irritation are both symptoms of hypoglycemia. any advice?

How low is too low varies from person to person.  Many people would say to treat at any level below 80; others would say that you can let it go lower.   Keep monitoring and find out how you feel at different levels.  Treat by ingesting something that results in fast release of glucose into the bloodstream- fruit juice works well for many people. _Talk to your doctor!!_  Adjust your meds if you’re getting too low regularly. — Steve Gray

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Chris, Yes, there is such a thing as low blood glucose, known as hypoglycemia…there are some outward symptoms that you MAY experience.  Check out this article, which discusses low and high blood sugar (briefly): http://www.rxlearn.com/diabetes/show/3/3/20001117.php3 Also, and a more complete source: http://www.diabetes.org/main/type2/medical/hypoglycemia/default.jsp Hope these help. Dave (Full disclosure: I am involved in the first site…free from pharmacy and nursing) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -i have spent most of my year learning what high bg’s are.  i have done everything i can to make my bg’s stay around 90 or lower,about a week ago, I woke up and checked my fasting, and it was 55.  a few days later, i checked my blood after supper, (but before my medicine 500mg Glucophage 2x daily) and it was 58.  that was so low and before a dose, i had to check again.  it was 55.   i am worried that i might be getting my bg’s too low.  is there such a thing?  this past week my bg’s have been in the 70’s and i have been fairly grouchy (correlation or causation?)  i have also felt a little shakey. any advice? thanks, chris —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -i have spent most of my year learning what high bg’s are.  i have done everything i can to make my bg’s stay around 90 or lower,about a week ago, I woke up and checked my fasting, and it was 55.  a few days later, i checked my blood after supper, (but before my medicine 500mg Glucophage 2x daily) and it was 58.  that was so low and before a dose, i had to check again.  it was 55.   i am worried that i might be getting my bg’s too low.  is there such a thing?  this past week my bg’s have been in the 70’s and i have been fairly grouchy (correlation or causation?)  i have also felt a little shakey. any advice? thanks, chris

you shouldn’t be going below 80 as anything below that is a hypo, hypoglycemia.  Symptoms include shaking or trembling hands and feet, sweating, confusion, loss of coordination, blurred vision, irritability.  Severe hypos can lead to black outs and worse. Have you discussed with your endocrinologist what target range you should trying for? between 80 and 120 is a good range to shoot for.  You should have some form of fast acting carbs on hand to treat a hypo.  Glucose tabs which are 4 grams of carbs each work great.  They are fast acting and allow for a controlled rise in BG when treating a hypo.  You can get them over the counter at any drug store, walmart and super k-mart. Derek Type 1 since 1975 Minimed 508 Insulin Pump http://www.diabeticnet.com http://sweetblood.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org http://www.diabetesinterview.com http://www.zerolimit.net (irc server webpage for our chat room) #diabeticnet is the name of our IRC chat on zerolimit.net http://www.zerolimit.net/files/zl-mirc.zip  http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/misc/webtv.html http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2001/06/cureall.htm

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i have spent most of my year learning what high bg’s are.  i have done everything i can to make my bg’s stay around 90 or lower,about a week ago, I woke up and checked my fasting, and it was 55.  a few days later, i checked my blood after supper, (but before my medicine 500mg Glucophage 2x daily) and it was 58.  that was so low and before a dose, i had to check again.  it was 55.

Why are you trying to keep them under 90?  That seems rather low, unless perhaps you are pregnant.  Anything <60 is too low and is considered hypo. Some people say <70.  I am supposed to treat for hypo <80.  Why?  Because my BG can drop really quickly.  I get less hypos now that I am on no diabetes meds.  But when I was on them, they were a frequent thing and the attacked suddenly.  So it was best to eat something before I got low enough to actually be hypo.  I also eat something if I am <100 and I am planning to exercise or be active. i am worried that i might be getting my bg’s too low.  is there such a thing?  this past week my bg’s have been in the 70’s and i have been fairly grouchy (correlation or causation?)  i have also felt a little shakey.

Very good indications of hypo!  But you can’t always tell when you are going hypo.  At least I can’t.  I have fainted twice now because I didn’t see it coming. any advice?

Now that you know there is a problem, you need to call your Dr.  It could be that you need to be eating more carbs or you may need less medication.  And ask your Dr. what number you should be using to treat for hypos.  When you need to treat, eat 15 grams of carb…preferrably fast acting…like candy, fruit juice or regular soda.  Then retest in 15 minutes.  If you are still too low, repeat.  And rest during this time.  Also, make sure to carry some form of sugar or glucose tablets with you at all  times.  You wouldn’t want this to happen when you were out somewhere, or driving in your car.  Hypos can be very dangerous! — Type 2 http://www.redshift.com/~juliebove/

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That would be alow to me but everyone might be different.Sometimes when I test and see  numbers like that I take about one quarter cup juice I get shaky and headachy so I most of the time I have symptoms but I thnk 55 is too low for anyone so either carry glucose tablets with you or as I said get some juice, a very small piece of fruit or some starch. This is what I would do Loretta And so it goes. It is back to business, yea

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           Wow, what you really need is a better health care team and tons of self education-like what you’re doing here.Go to a book store. Buy everything you can but check copyright dates. Nothing B4 oh, 1998 or so._Diabetes for Dummies _is very good. Read everything. Don’t believe anything. Get to know your body.How could a dr have let you go a whole yr without knowing the basics of diabetes care ? That’s malpractice.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – i have spent most of my year learning what high bg’s are.  i have done everything i can to make my bg’s stay around 90 or lower,about a week ago, I woke up and checked my fasting, and it was 55.  a few days later, i checked my blood after supper, (but before my medicine 500mg Glucophage 2x daily) and it was 58.  that was so low and before a dose, i had to check again.  it was 55. i am worried that i might be getting my bg’s too low.  is there such a thing?  this past week my bg’s have been in the 70’s and i have been fairly grouchy (correlation or causation?)  i have also felt a little shakey. any advice? thanks, chris —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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I’m a newbie and I’m not sure what bg’s are, it seems to be mentioned in this forum a lot. Can you help? David Burns – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – i have spent most of my year learning what high bg’s are.  i have done everything i can to make my bg’s stay around 90 or lower,about a week ago, I woke up and checked my fasting, and it was 55.  a few days later, i checked my blood after supper, (but before my medicine 500mg Glucophage 2x daily) and it was 58.  that was so low and before a dose, i had to check again.  it was 55. i am worried that i might be getting my bg’s too low.  is there such a thing?  this past week my bg’s have been in the 70’s and i have been fairly grouchy (correlation or causation?)  i have also felt a little shakey. any advice? thanks, chris —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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I’m a newbie and I’m not sure what bg’s are, it seems to be mentioned in this forum a lot. Can you help? David Burns

BG = Blood Glucose or blood sugar.  Normal range is between 80 and 120 using the US standard. If you are a new diabetic and don’t know about BG control then please follow the links below and start learning, the more you know, the sooner you will get control of your diabetes. Derek Type 1 since 1975 Minimed 508 Insulin Pump http://www.diabeticnet.com http://sweetblood.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org http://www.diabetesinterview.com http://www.zerolimit.net (irc server webpage for our chat room) #diabeticnet is the name of our IRC chat on zerolimit.net http://www.zerolimit.net/files/zl-mirc.zip  http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/misc/webtv.html http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2001/06/cureall.htm

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bg = blood glucose. It’s what we measure with our handy dandy home meters as well as those periodic visits to the lab. Problems controlling bg is what dm (diabetes) is all about, which is why we mention it a lot in a diabetes forum! US measurements that you see a lot of here are in mg/dl Yours are in  mmol/l To convert: multiple yours by 18 or divide ours by 18. So your 5-10 is our 90-180. The 90 is fine; you might want to get that 180 down if that’s after meals, and you really want to get it down if it’s fasting. I’ve heard a saying the "4 is the floor" meaning 4 (=72 here) is getting into hypo territory. (people have different hypo limits) HbA1c is another test we refer to. It’s glycosylated hemoglobin, and reflects our bg over a period of 4-12 weeks (opinions vary), weighted more toward the more recent weeks. I call it the "no cheat" test since you can’t cheat by "behaving" for a day or two before the doctor/lab visit the way you can with bg test. You’ll see HbA1c  results like 5.8%, 7%, 9%, etc.; your measurements may be different. Being in the 5% club is cause for celebration! Have you had this test yet? You said you were now off meds and controlling with diet. Are you also getting any exercise? that can be a Big Help. bj "David Burns"  wrote … I’m a newbie and I’m not sure what bg’s are, it seems to be

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David, You are also welcomed to come visit us in the Chat room to further explain any questions you might have. There is usually someone there at all times, (me but mostly idle in the morning) and it starts picking up traffic around 1pm – 8pm so stop on in, the link to it on the bottom of Mack’s tagline. See ya there. Reisa/j0j0

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m a newbie and I’m not sure what bg’s are, it seems to be mentioned in this forum a lot. Can you help? David Burns BG = Blood Glucose or blood sugar.  Normal range is between 80 and 120 using the US standard. If you are a new diabetic and don’t know about BG control then please follow the links below and start learning, the more you know, the sooner you will get control of your diabetes. Derek Type 1 since 1975 Minimed 508 Insulin Pump http://www.diabeticnet.com http://sweetblood.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org http://www.diabetesinterview.com http://www.zerolimit.net (irc server webpage for our chat room) #diabeticnet is the name of our IRC chat on zerolimit.net http://www.zerolimit.net/files/zl-mirc.zip  http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/misc/webtv.html http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2001/06/cureall.htm

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – David, You are also welcomed to come visit us in the Chat room to further explain any questions you might have. There is usually someone there at all times, (me but mostly idle in the morning) and it starts picking up traffic around 1pm – 8pm so stop on in, the link to it on the bottom of Mack’s tagline. See ya there. Reisa/j0j0 I’m a newbie and I’m not sure what bg’s are, it seems to be mentioned in this forum a lot. Can you help? David Burns BG = Blood Glucose or blood sugar.  Normal range is between 80 and 120 using the US standard. If you are a new diabetic and don’t know about BG control then please follow the links below and start learning, the more you know, the sooner you will get control of your diabetes. Derek Type 1 since 1975 Minimed 508 Insulin Pump http://www.diabeticnet.com http://sweetblood.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org http://www.diabetesinterview.com http://www.zerolimit.net (irc server webpage for our chat room) #diabeticnet is the name of our IRC chat on zerolimit.net http://www.zerolimit.net/files/zl-mirc.zip  http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/misc/webtv.html http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2001/06/cureall.htm

I tried getting into the chat room last night and it told me i was banned for some reason for like 27 days  I believe it said spambots or something  any clues or hints? now added Avandia " The greatest pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do"

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I tried getting into the chat room last night and it told me i was banned for some reason for like 27 days  I believe it said spambots or something  any clues or hints?

It was an executive decision

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well see if i send you any pictures again  BTW  that reminds me  you still owe me one!!:) now added Avandia " The greatest pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do"

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Dear alt.support.depression.medication, I am a new poster here. I need your direction. I don