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CLOMID isn’t *that* expensive…I mean, relatively and compared to injectables.  What about generic Clomiphene Citrate?  Will your doctor put you on the generic stuff?  Also, it’s not hard to find with a prescription. Are you asking for a donation of Clomid  (as in someone’s leftovers for free?) or did you want to buy it from someone or what? Sorry, maybe it’s late…I just don’t get it. Chele – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all.  I am looking for chlomid.  I got a connection last week but the nice lady did all she could and it was hard to ship from Bermuda.  We will get it in March, when she travels to the states on business, but could use some to try now.  I am sure that it will take more than one cycle.  Please email my DH and I at Faith0295 as soon as possible even if you can only spare 5 pills. Thanks. Deb

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Hi all.  I am looking for chlomid.  I got a connection last week but the nice lady did all she could and it was hard to ship from Bermuda.  We will get  it in March, when she travels to the states on business, but could use some to try now.  I am sure that it will take more than one cycle.  Please email my DH and I at Faith0295 as soon as possible even if you can only spare 5 pills.  Thanks.  Deb

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Chele, we are trying to get it cheaper than what the Rx has it for, and I have an appt in the am, and I am going to get a script, but thought that maybe someone had some that they were selling relatively cheap.  I also work at a pharmacy, (Rite Aid) and get emyployee discount, but even then it does not reduce by much.  But the issue here is that as I am sure that everyone going through this understands, where ever you can save a few dollars the this infertility nightmare (have a three year old after chlomid and 3 iui’s) you are willing to pinch from somewhere.  I also am looking ahead at the costs of the tests that need to be done.  My husband and I do not have insurance that covers these expenses.  I hope that this is not a dig, because there are enough children out there that have worse lives than what my husband and I CAN provide, and I tend to get emotional when someone doubts my motives for this treatment. (earlier search for chlomid, I was attacked by someone such as yourself who did not understand who was obviously blessed to have such insurance coverage that I do not) I know all the ins and outs of this, and I am only posting in peace.  Please, understand, and if you do not, than please do not attack what you do not understand.  Thank you .  Deb and Don…..infertile couple looking for the blessings that some people think that they are plainly privy to……(ex: recently on the news here in NH….A teenage girl who denied that she was pregnant to everyone, gave birth to this precious angel in the middle of the night, "no one heard her in labor" and now is being charged with neglectful homicide or somethin g lke that.because the baby died shortly agter birth)

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Umm…Relax.  It was just a question.  It wasn’t a "dig" CHILL OUT! Chele – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Chele, we are trying to get it cheaper than what the Rx has it for, and I have an appt in the am, and I am going to get a script, but thought that maybe someone had some that they were selling relatively cheap.  I also work at a pharmacy, (Rite Aid) and get emyployee discount, but even then it does not reduce by much.  But the issue here is that as I am sure that everyone going through this understands, where ever you can save a few dollars the this infertility nightmare (have a three year old after chlomid and 3 iui’s) you are willing to pinch from somewhere.  I also am looking ahead at the costs of the tests that need to be done.  My husband and I do not have insurance that covers these expenses.  I hope that this is not a dig, because there are enough children out there that have worse lives than what my husband and I CAN provide, and I tend to get emotional when someone doubts my motives for this treatment. (earlier search for chlomid, I was attacked by someone such as yourself who did not understand who was obviously blessed to have such insurance coverage that I do not) I know all the ins and outs of this, and I am only posting in peace.  Please, understand, and if you do not, than please do not attack what you do not understand.  Thank you .  Deb and Don…..infertile couple looking for the blessings that some people think that they are plainly privy to……(ex: recently on the news here in NH….A teenage girl who denied that she was pregnant to everyone, gave birth to this precious angel in the middle of the night, "no one heard her in labor" and now is being charged with neglectful homicide or somethin g lke that.because the baby died shortly agter birth)

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Hails!    In my quest for something new and exciting in the realms of Black Metal, I have decided that it’s finally time to explore this polish scene I’ve heard so much about.  Could someone please post some info, websites, bandlists (yes I already know Graveland) or whatever.

why not try the exotic scenes? that’s where you will really find REAL black metal music!

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Hails!   In my quest for something new and exciting in the realms of Black Metal, I have decided that it’s finally time to explore this polish scene I’ve heard so much about.  Could someone please post some info, websites, bandlists (yes I already know Graveland) or whatever.

This guy has it going on: http://www.blackmetal.com/~mega/PBM/index2.html "Anyone can post messages to the net.  Practically everyone does.  The resulting cacophony drowns out serious discussion.   Online debates of tough issues are often polarized by messages taking extreme positions.  It’s a great medium for trivia and hobbies, but not the place for reasoned, reflective judgment.   Surprisingly often, discussions degenerate into acrimony, insults, and flames." –Clifford Stoll

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i don’t know why poland is considered to have a scene.  

your ignorance they have a scene only in the sense that portugal, italy, france, and all theswe other random european countries have scenes.  that is to say, there are a few bands there who play unoriginal crap and define a scene for themselves on the basis of nationality similarly to how the norwegian bands did way back when.

your opinion in my opinion, the only countries that really have scenes are norway sweden and greece.  they are the countries that started the whole thing, and they are the countries whose bands have any kind of distinct identity. greek bands like rotting christ and varathron did as much to start modern black metal as did mayhem.

more opinion anyways, all the stuff that comes out of poland sucks.  if you like transylvanian hunger and what anither generic record of the samde kind, ju7st about any polish black metal record should do it.

more opinion.  youre strong on opinion, short on cogent argument.  If you dont appreciate the sound of darkthrone, graveland, burzum, etc. then maybe you should try alt.music.death-metal-losers one thing i don’t get about the polish scene is why som many of them call themselvces nazi bands.  nazis are pro aryan and explicitly anti slavic.  the poles are slavic, so it seems kind of self destructive to me.  i guess all the black metal polish bands who claim to be so natiojalistic don’t know anything about their countries history.  when the germans occupied poland in wwii, they killed about 3 million poles in the concentration camps.  thats a massacre on the scale of the murder of the 6 millilon jews.

and none of these 3 million poles were jews, handicapped, etc.? "Anyone can post messages to the net.  Practically everyone does.  The resulting cacophony drowns out serious discussion.   Online debates of tough issues are often polarized by messages taking extreme positions.  It’s a great medium for trivia and hobbies, but not the place for reasoned, reflective judgment.   Surprisingly often, discussions degenerate into acrimony, insults, and flames." –Clifford Stoll

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i don’t know why poland is considered to have a scene.  they have a scene only in the sense that portugal, italy, france, and all theswe other random european countries have scenes.  that is to say, there are a few bands there who play unoriginal crap and define a scene for themselves on the basis of nationality similarly to how the norwegian bands did way back when. in my opinion, the only countries that really have scenes are norway sweden and greece.  they are the countries that started the whole thing, and they are the countries whose bands have any kind of distinct identity.  greek bands like rotting christ and varathron did as much to start modern black metal as did mayhem. anyways, all the stuff that comes out of poland sucks.  if you like transylvanian hunger and what anither generic record of the samde kind, ju7st about any polish black metal record should do it. one thing i don’t get about the polish scene is why som many of them call themselvces nazi bands.  nazis are pro aryan and explicitly anti slavic.  the poles are slavic, so it seems kind of self destructive to me.  i guess all the black metal polish bands who claim to be so natiojalistic don’t know anything about their countries history.  when the germans occupied poland in wwii, they killed about 3 million poles in the concentration camps.  thats a massacre on the scale of the murder of the 6 millilon jews. eric

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Hails!    In my quest for something new and exciting in the realms of Black Metal, I have decided that it’s finally time to explore this polish scene I’ve heard so much about.  Could someone please post some info, websites, bandlists (yes I already know Graveland) or whatever. Thnks Terrorbat

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yes, jennifer, why not post a day or two? PLEASE REMEMBER TO VOTE: http://www.moveon.org/votetoday.htm Low carb? Low calorie? Low fat? Low glycemic? 50yr/female/5′10"/wearing size 14 jeans! I am learning HOW to eat, WHAT to eat, and WHY I eat! http://www.winternet.com/~terrym/sobriety.html Read and Post, everyday! Rosie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There’s really no explanation.  I just take principles of Atkins and PP and do what works best for me.  I didn’t mean to imply there’s something actually entitled "generic low carb." If you want the real specifics I’d be happy to post them, although there’s probably nothing in my WOE that you don’t already know! Jen 198/167/123 Can you explain what "generic low-carb" is. MM

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dear jen, that is what has evolved in this house too! i have added yogurt (8oz) without weight gain, and that provides me with alot of protein and calcium. PLEASE REMEMBER TO VOTE: http://www.moveon.org/votetoday.htm Low carb? Low calorie? Low fat? Low glycemic? 50yr/female/5′10"/wearing size 14 jeans! I am learning HOW to eat, WHAT to eat, and WHY I eat! http://www.winternet.com/~terrym/sobriety.html Read and Post, everyday! Rosie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m on "Jen’s Special Low-Carb Way Of Eating."  LOL. I did a lot of research before I started low-carbing.  I read Atkins, Protein Power, CAD, and every available web site and newsgroup.  I read Medline and Medscape.  I dug around a lot.  I then started out on CAD (Carbohydrate Addict’s Diet), because I thought it would be a good way for me to "ease" into a low-carb WOE. I now do what’s called "generic low-carb" using the low-carb principles that work for me.  I’ll eat this way, with some slight modifications, for the rest of my life.  I haven’t felt this good in ages (barring my foul mood from yesterday). Good luck. Jen 198/167/123 Wow! So what diet are you on? Sue Harmon  ?/?/? SOLUTION http://www.geocities.com/Athens/2421 Are they your starting weight/present weight/ideal weight? Yes. Jen 198/167/123 LC since 07/20/98 newsgroups trimmed

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Are you are currently taking the product Metabolife-356 to loss weight?

How come you fucking spammers can’t figure out how to type "lose weigth"? Are you paying too much for each bottle?

If you are buying Metabolie, you are. Are you wondering what metabolife-356 is?

No, I know what it is, it is an insanely over priced ECA stack sold by lying assholes like you. You can get the same drugs for 1/4 the price from honest dealers. Tough choice, huh? If so I’ve found the new low cost supplier on the internet with lots of information: http://www.moneyloss.com

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: If you use Metabolife you are paying too much no matter the "discount." Use : Thermadrene it costs less than 15 bucks for a one month supply and does the : same thing. : K in Cali : :Hi K: : :What does Thermadrene contain? What are the adverse drug reactions? I listed ingredients for Thermadrene to Rich about a week ago, use your dejanews account to find that post. K in Cali : :Sue Harmon :SOLUTION :http://www.geocities.com/Athens/2421/ :

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There’s really no explanation.  I just take principles of Atkins and PP and do what works best for me.  I didn’t mean to imply there’s something actually entitled "generic low carb." If you want the real specifics I’d be happy to post them, although there’s probably nothing in my WOE that you don’t already know! Jen 198/167/123 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Can you explain what "generic low-carb" is. MM

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I’m on "Jen’s Special Low-Carb Way Of Eating."  LOL. I did a lot of research before I started low-carbing.  I read Atkins, Protein Power, CAD, and every available web site and newsgroup.  I read Medline and Medscape.  I dug around a lot.  I then started out on CAD (Carbohydrate Addict’s Diet), because I thought it would be a good way for me to "ease" into a low-carb WOE. I now do what’s called "generic low-carb" using the low-carb principles that work for me.  I’ll eat this way, with some slight modifications, for the rest of my life.  I haven’t felt this good in ages (barring my foul mood from yesterday). Good luck. Jen 198/167/123 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Wow! So what diet are you on? Sue Harmon  ?/?/? SOLUTION http://www.geocities.com/Athens/2421 Are they your starting weight/present weight/ideal weight? Yes. Jen 198/167/123 LC since 07/20/98 newsgroups trimmed

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Wow! So what diet are you on? Sue Harmon  ?/?/? SOLUTION http://www.geocities.com/Athens/2421 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Are they your starting weight/present weight/ideal weight? Yes. Jen 198/167/123 LC since 07/20/98 newsgroups trimmed

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<<snip Are they your starting weight/present weight/ideal weight?

Yes. Jen 198/167/123 LC since 07/20/98 newsgroups trimmed

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Thanks, Claudia. I’ll check it out. I have another question:  What do the numbers mean after the posts?  Like 250/173/143? Are they your starting weight/present weight/ideal weight? Sue Harmon SOLUTION http://www.geocities.com/Athens/2421/ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thermadrene is a version of the eca stack.  Caffien, aspirin and ephedrine. For more info go to http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Village/4999/stackfaq.htm

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Thanks, Claudia. I’ll check it out. I have another question:  What do the numbers mean after the posts?  Like 250/173/143? Are they your starting weight/present weight/ideal weight? Sue Harmon SOLUTION http://www.geocities.com/Athes/2421/ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thermadrene is a version of the eca stack.  Caffien, aspirin and ephedrine. For more info go to http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Village/4999/stackfaq.htm

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Actually, it’s kind of scary.  Think about it.  This guy wants to sell you a prodcut but can’t even recognize his own web site when he stumbles upon it:) That’s a real ringing endorsement for him! <snark — claudia 550/370/157  A malcontent and proud of it!  Low fat rocks! For Claudia’s Cooking Newsletter celebrating low fat, sugar free cooking and living visit  http://cookingnewsletter.ecorp.net – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Note that bpsinfo.com is registered to: BPS INFO SOLUTIONS, INC. (BPSINFO-DOM)   PO BOX 245   Tucker, GA 30084   US If so I’ve found the new low cost supplier on the internet with lots of information: He’s found??? http://www.356weightloss.com Note this domain is registered to: BPS INFO SOLUTIONS, Inc. (356WEIGHTLOSS-DOM)   P.O. BOX 245   TUCKER, GA 30085-0245   US Gee. He found his own web site!!! So the "I’ve found" is a blatant deceiving lie to make it not look like an ad. The very scummiest of advertisers are the ones that lie! Don (at panix com).

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Thermadrene is a version of the eca stack.  Caffien, aspirin and ephedrine. For more info go to http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Village/4999/stackfaq.htm — claudia 550/370/157  A malcontent and proud of it!  Low fat rocks! For Claudia’s Cooking Newsletter celebrating low fat, sugar free cooking and living visit  http://cookingnewsletter.ecorp.net

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you use Metabolife you are paying too much no matter the "discount." Use Thermadrene it costs less than 15 bucks for a one month supply and does the same thing. K in Cali Hi K: What does Thermadrene contain? What are the adverse drug reactions? Sue Harmon SOLUTION http://www.geocities.com/Athens/2421/

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If you use Metabolife you are paying too much no matter the "discount."  Use Thermadrene it costs less than 15 bucks for a one month supply and does the same thing. K in Cali

Hi K: What does Thermadrene contain? What are the adverse drug reactions? Sue Harmon SOLUTION http://www.geocities.com/Athens/2421/

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:Are you are currently taking the product Metabolife-356 to loss weight?:Are you paying too much for each bottle? If you use Metabolife you are paying too much no matter the "discount."  Use Thermadrene it costs less than 15 bucks for a one month supply and does the same thing. K in Cali :Are you wondering what metabolife-356 is? : :If so I’ve found the new low cost supplier on the internet with lots f information: : :http://www.UraDorkIfYouBuyMetabolife.com

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Note that bpsinfo.com is registered to: BPS INFO SOLUTIONS, INC. (BPSINFO-DOM)    PO BOX 245    Tucker, GA 30084    US If so I’ve found the new low cost supplier on the internet with lots of information:

He’s found??? http://www.356weightloss.com

Note this domain is registered to: BPS INFO SOLUTIONS, Inc. (356WEIGHTLOSS-DOM)    P.O. BOX 245    TUCKER, GA 30085-0245    US Gee. He found his own web site!!! So the "I’ve found" is a blatant deceiving lie to make it not look like an ad. The very scummiest of advertisers are the ones that lie! Don (at panix com).

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Are you are currently taking the product Metabolife-356 to loss weight? Are you paying too much for each bottle? Are you wondering what metabolife-356 is? If so I’ve found the new low cost supplier on the internet with lots of information: http://www.356weightloss.com

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Generic Ritalin has been tested against the real thing and the research indicates not as effective. dp I heard on the news this morning that the US is threatening sanction against this country on behalf of multinational corporations based in the US because of something to do with generic medicines, copyright and parallel importing. Politicians seem to live in a parallel universe out of Sliders (world of their own) and I am not sure I am capable of understanding the issues from their political perspective. Back in my world, I saw some posts here discussing generic Ritalin. I didn’t pay attention because I didn’t know it might be important. Could someone kindly explain (sorry if it is *again* ?) the relevance of these generic drug issues for my ADHD kids? Are my kids about to be poisoned by substitute drugs or something similar?

Hmm.  Perhaps I should try Ritalin again, because when they asked me at the pharmacy if I wanted the generic, I said yes (not knowing any better and wanting to save a few bucks).  I’m on Adderall now and not showing much improvement, doc (m.d.) switched me because I had no improvement on Ritalin (generic).  Also taking Paxil for depression and after a month I don’t feel any better. cyberstud

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Welcome to the group Janis.  I am doing great at the moment!  Hope to stay this way for awhile.  JIll

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I’m new to this group, but have had Lupus for about 22 years.  How is everyone? Janis

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Hello, Everyone !! I to have SLE.  I’ve been diagnosed for about 24yrs.  I was a young mother of 2, ages 3&4.  I had been diagnosed with Raynaud’s phenomenon several years before.  At that time my parents thought for sure that I had leukemia(I was about 13).  During my teen years I slept a lot but was also active in school activities.  But as I was about to enter collage I had booster shot.  By that evening I was almost unable to move.  But the following week I was to leave.  My parents left me at school even though it was hard for me to just get dressed.  After a few days I was feeling better. Nothing else occurred that I can remember other than I was tired all the time. I then decided that I wasn’t college material and didn’t attend the following year.  I was to get married in May of that year.  I started to have a lot of swelling and it was hard for me to get around.  I was also working full time.  I just thought that it was caused by the birth control I was on. I hadn’t been on them before and just didn’t know.  Of course I didn’t see a Dr. about it.  Then the eve of my wedding I was unable to breath without pain.  Again I just thought that it was nerves.  It subsided and didn’t have any  more problems other than being tired. My pregnancies were uneventful.  After the birth of my 2nd. child I was having a hard time just changing diapers. I knew that it must be arthritis but again I just muddled through it.  I knew that there was something  wrong .  When I findly went to a Dr. He didn’t take much stock in what I was saying.  I was about 27 when I had a "flare" that could be diagnosed.  The Dr. was an old timer. He said that he had just came across and article about Lupus and was sure I had it.  In the mean time I was hospitalized and was unable to take care of myself let alone my 2 small children.  Thank God for my parents.  Because at that time the material that my parents and I read wasn’t very encouraging I was sure I wouldn’t live long enough to see my children grow up.  But I was able to get better information and more encouraging news.  When I was 35 I remarried and wonderful man.  After a few months I began to have a lot of swelling in my legs.  At that time I was seeing a rheumatologist  on a regular bases. My Dr. was 100mi. away so I went to a local Dr. It was determined that it was a urinary track infection.  and was given Bactrium (which turned out I was  allergic to).  When I did go to my rheumatologist it was found that I had lost 10% use of both kidneys.  I’m sorry that this is so long I didn’t intend for it to be.  I just wanted to let those of you that have just found out, that there is life even with SLE.  I have had my share of "flares" and been on large doses of prednisone and have been on Imuran (for about 14yrs).  There are days when staying in bed is inviting. I’m doing very well at this time I’m down to 7mg. of prednisone I still take 100mg. of Imuran,blood pressure medications and others.  I get depressed when I have a "flare" because I know that I will blow up like a balloon and it will take me a long time to get the weight off.  I try to keep positive thoughts, as much as I hate it , that it also keeps me ALIVE.  So just hang in there , you will have better days.  I have been diagnosed with fibromyalgia and I am aligeric to the sun as well.  Retta Jill M. Brown wrote in message

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Welcome to the group Janis.  I am doing great at the moment!  Hope to stay this way for awhile.  JIll

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ah… cr*p!!  then I go and spell your name wrong. I’d like to blame it on brain fog but the fact of the matter is, I used to work with a "Bronwen" and I just flat made a typo. Sorry. kc cat <crawling under the bed with the dust bunnies

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  "thistle" <this…@erols.com

wrote: Karen Dockal wrote It’s a small group yet.   I wish more folks posted here and more often.  many of us tend toward the www forums or the hamline mailing list but I am through here every day reading posts (though not always responding). I’m not a big poster, to any group, but since you have asked I will post about myself just to let you know I read every day and look forward to hearing how all of you are dealing with lupus. <snipped

Brownwen.. I am just now finding all these posts on DN that I didn’t realize had ever been posted to ASL. Lurk mode is fine and I tend to lurk at times myself.  But I am glad that you posted your experience with SLE. take care, kc cat kcdoc…@ghg.net —–== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==—– http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp   Create Your Own Free Member Forum

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Hi Janis, This is my first posting to the group although I will admit to having been reading the other posts for a little while now. My wife was diagnosed with SLE over 20 years ago, she is now 46 and trying very hard to lead a normal life. We sometimes like to think that it has gone into recession and just when you think you have it beat a flare up will catch her by surprise. In the last year she has started to get migraines just to add to the complications. When the first one hit we had know idea what was happening, the local A&E took one look at her medic alert and all ran for cover. They ended up shooting her full of pain killers that she was not allergic to and sticking her in a darkened room. Not an unusual reaction from doctors who have heard about Lupus when training but never encountered a sufferer. I find one of the worst things we face is ignorance of the debilitating nature of Lupus. How do you explain to people who have never heard of SLE why you can not go and spend a day on the beach, or just do a lot of things non sufferers consider normal. Sometimes I feel very depressed that I can not do more for Linda, I watch out for all the telltale signs but at the end of the day when a bad flare-up hits all I can do is try and be supportive. I look forward to continuing to read the groups posts. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Janis Bell wrote:

I’m new to this group, but have had Lupus for about 22 years.  How is everyone? Janis

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Karen Dockal wrote It’s a small group yet.   I

wish more folks posted here and more often.  many of us tend toward the www forums or the hamline mailing list but I am through here every day reading posts (though not always responding).

I’m not a big poster, to any group, but since you have asked I will post about myself just to let you know I read every day and look forward to hearing how all of you are dealing with lupus. I am recently diagnosed. Apparently suffering though for about 3 years. The diagnosis was made easier after finding out my paternal great grand father died from lupus. We hadn’t known there was any history of lupus. A lot of my problems were blamed on peri menopause. I don’t know all the fancy terms, the brain fog gets in the way of that. My memory loss is the hardest thing for me to deal with, that and the fatigue. My kidneys are involved, my joints and my tummy. I also have horrible tinnitus which I have had a long time so that connection was interesting to read about. Stress is a big thing for me. My doctor has put me on anti-depressants and anti-anxiety. I take Relafen for the joint pain. I would like to keep my drug taking down to a minimum but when things reach a point I will take what is necessary. I want to thank you all for the tremendous information you are passing on. For those of us who don’t post often and are quiet I certainly appreciate all your help. Dan Wallace is my ex sister in law, brother in law (hope I got that right!!) He is a wonderful man and very knowlegable. It’s funny how I come down with something he is an expert on, only I moved 3000 miles away from him! My ex was kind enough to offer his assistance to me, wish I could take him up on it, I would feel a lot safer. I highly recommend his book. When my dr said I should get it I had no idea he had written it! What a nice surprise. I will go back into lurk mood, thank you all for being here. Bronwen

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Karen Dockal wrote :

I’m, as yet, undiagnosed – and indeed might not have SLE – but my doc treats me basically as if I do.  I have no major organ involvement and most of my illness manifests as fever, fatigue, arthralgia and sun sensitivity.

I’m glad you said that, Karen. I feel easier about posting to this group ] I was diagnosed with CFS/ME two years ago but have asked to be checked for lupus because of my sun-sensitivity and (recently) red eyes. Only had ANA test so far which was negative, but I wondered whether anyone else had a similar case which eventually tested positive. BTW someone was asking about a good treatment for his wife’s skin inflammation (mostly hands I think). I have something like that which used to be very bad (always had plasters on my hands and they wouldn’t heal) but since using Dermovate-NN the inflammation is much lighter and sometimes disappears entirely. That’s a trade name from Glaxo – don’t know what the generic name is – it includes Clobetasol Propionate, Neomycin Sulphate and Nystatin. — Angela MacKellar I eat zet not spam

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Hi I’m a 16 year old female with a possible 75% diagnosis of lupus. I’m looking for first hand information to learn about the disease i’m may or may not be living with the rest of my life.  I have found that collecting information and preparing myself helps quite any concerns or fear I’m having about a particular life chande. Any help with this persuit would be greatly appriciated. Thankyou! P.S.  Please no sugar coating…But nothing too morbid as I’m a very optimistic person

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On 26 Jul 1998 02:40:23 GMT, "Janis Bell" <jb…@cts.com

wrote: I’m new to this group, but have had Lupus for about 22 years.  How is everyone? Janis

Hi Janis Sorry to be slow responding – I’m fine but as always – busy.  I hope you find some friends and comfort here.  It’s a small group yet.   I wish more folks posted here and more often.  many of us tend toward the www forums or the hamline mailing list but I am through here every day reading posts (though not always responding). I’m, as yet, undiagnosed – and indeed might not have SLE – but my doc treats me basically as if I do.  I have no major organ involvement and most of my illness manifests as fever, fatigue, arthralgia and sun sensitivity. Good to "meet" you! kc cat

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Hi Janis, It looks like you figured out how to post.  That’s great and welcome to our group.   Just post your questions or comments and respond to what you want. We’re just here trying to support each other on this trail/trial. Margaret

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Does anyone know if you can take Phentermine and Wellbutrin together?  The Phen I am taking stoped working.  I do not know where to go know my Dr. whats to switch me to Meridia I have not seen and good results for the money.  I have the Wellburtin I was just wondering if it would boost the Phen.  Hope someone has info.  Thanks  D

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What does Wellbutrin treat?

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I haven’t had a problem with that combination over the past several months (and still don’t). Mark – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What does Wellbutrin treat? The two faces of Eve: Under the proprietary name "Wellbutrin," it’s used for depression. Both brand name drugs are "bupropion HCL." I don’t recommend mixing Phentermine with it. R

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My doc prescribed the phen/Wellbutrin combo for me, but it didn’t seem to do much more for my appetite than phen alone, and the Wellbutrin made me very sleepy. So I stopped the Wellbutrin. Julie

: I am taking them together without any adverse affects.  Make sure your : psychiatrist knows you want to do this and that your MD knows you’re : on Wellbutrin, though. : Mark : Does anyone know if you can take Phentermine and Wellbutrin together?  The : Phen I am taking stoped working.  I do not know where to go know my Dr. whats : to switch me to Meridia I have not seen and good results for the money.  I : have the Wellburtin I was just wondering if it would boost the Phen.  Hope : someone has info.  Thanks  D :

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I am taking them together without any adverse affects.  Make sure your psychiatrist knows you want to do this and that your MD knows you’re on Wellbutrin, though. Mark – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone know if you can take Phentermine and Wellbutrin together?  The Phen I am taking stoped working.  I do not know where to go know my Dr. whats to switch me to Meridia I have not seen and good results for the money.  I have the Wellburtin I was just wondering if it would boost the Phen.  Hope someone has info.  Thanks  D

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right now i am taking something named "Diethylpropion" (75mg).i can tell it isnt as strong as the phentermine. If anyone knows what this generic pill is the equal of please tell me. i forgot to ask…of course i could ask the pharmacy if i REALLY NEED to know.

The brand name is Tenuate Angie

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Does anyone know if you can take Phentermine and Wellbutrin together?  The Phen I am taking stoped working.  I do not know where to go know my Dr. whats to switch me to Meridia I have not seen and good results for the money.  I have the Wellburtin I was just wondering if it would boost the Phen.  Hope someone has info.  Thanks  D

***  i have been taking both for 4 weeks and i have lost 16 lbs. i have been taking only 1/2 (pill cut in half) of phentermine a day and 300mg of wellbutrin. my biggest problem is finding enough water for my super dry cotton mouth which never seems to go away…and sometimes my handwriting is kinda "shakey". i read that after a few weeks the phentermine loses its steam, i asked my doctor about that and we decided to switch from phentermine to something else and then switch back in about 5 weeks. right now i am taking something named "Diethylpropion" (75mg).i can tell it isnt as strong as the phentermine. If anyone knows what this generic pill is the equal of please tell me. i forgot to ask…of course i could ask the pharmacy if i REALLY NEED to know. -Buffy Buffet -quote below by -Daria Morgendorffer — She knows she’s a winner, she couldn’t be thinner. Now she goes to the bathroom to vomit up dinner."

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A molecular relative to "diethylpropion"  is a relatively new compound called "bupropion."  This was marketed as an antidepressant under the name "Wellbutrin" in the late 1980s.  Again, it wasn’t as effective as mainstream antidepressants at the time (with the introduction of SSRIs), but now it’s been repackaged under the name "Zyban" to help those quit smoking.  Quite frankly, I smoked just as much.

Bupropion is as effective as other antidepressants (no drug seems to be more effective than another across the whole population, though individuals might respond better to one or another.)  The advantage of bupropion over other antidepressants is that it doesn’t cause weight gain or have effects on the heart (unlike the tricyclic antidepressants) nor does it have sexual side effects like anorgasmia (unlike the SSRIs.)  Its drawbacks include a somewhat greater risk of seizures and its somewhat more stimulating, and can cause nervousness and insomnia in a few people.  People taking it have a tendency to lose a few pounds, though it’s not a large enough effect that it could be promoted as a weight loss drug. To all those who take both Wellbutrin and phentermine concurrently,  I fail to understand the need for Wellbutrin since phentermine is a stimulant imparting a sense of well being.

The difference is that phentermine isn’t an antidepressant. — Steve Dyer

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I was curious about others experience with the generic form of Ritalin. Some folks have stated that the generic form is less effective. Please share your experiences.

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I was curious about others experience with the generic form of Ritalin. Some folks have stated that the generic form is less effective. Please share your experiences.

I used the generic form, for my 6 year old son, for about a month.  I found that the results were not necessarily weaker but just more inconsistant. Sometime it seemed to be a slightly elevated dosage and weaker other times. Again, I was dealing with a 6 year old at the time and his behavior is pretty unpredictable, but I don’t think this was just the usual variations.

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I was curious about others experience with the generic form of Ritalin. Some folks have stated that the generic form is less effective. Please share your experiences. My pharmacist says that generics can be as much as 10% weaker, and my experience with generic Ritalin pretty much matches.

They can also be stronger. Another thing is that the name brands will often vary between lots too.

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I’d like to know 2 things. What kind of pickups come standard on Epiphone Lp100’s (not Epi. Les Paul’s) i know they’re humbuckers, but what kind. Next thing, what are some really screaming humbuckers i could replace the old ones with on the same guitar, there’s room for a full size bridge and neck. Thanks D

   A could screaming pickup with high output would be the seymour duncan screaming demon..

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I’d like to know 2 things. What kind of pickups come standard on Epiphone Lp100’s (not Epi. Les Paul’s) i know they’re humbuckers, but what kind. Next thing, what are some really screaming humbuckers i could replace the old ones with on the same guitar, there’s room for a full size bridge and neck. Thanks D

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I’d like to know 2 things. What kind of pickups come standard on Epiphone Lp100’s (not Epi. Les Paul’s) i know they’re humbuckers, but what kind.

Generic Korean Epiphone humbucking pickups – most likely around 7-8K Ohms resistance (standard PAF-range resistance and similar output). Next thing, what are some really screaming humbuckers i could replace the old ones with on the same guitar, there’s room for a full size bridge and neck. Thanks D

A screaming set would be a DiMarzio Tone Zone in the bridge and a DiMarzio Air Norton in the neck.  I have them in a guitar now – they definately scream.  A duncan distortion also is a screamer (for bridge).

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They are Gibson designed and authorized Epiphone LP100 humbucking pickups. Outside of that, we only know they are assembled in Korea and presumably manufactured there. At least, that’s all I know. I think they are two conductor pickups. You could get yourself a multi tester at radio shack and measure the output of each pickup in ohms… then you’d be better able to decide how much ‘hotter’ you want to go. "Screaming" humbuckers is sort of a tough thing to decide on.. even among loud pickups there are a lot of differences in tonality, etc. I would check out a number of things: websites for Gibson, Seymour Duncan, DiMarzio, Schaller, Carvin, and any other pickup brand you think might fill the bill. If you can, compare their design specs with your epis… assuming you have the output info. mentioned above. Read a book such as Donald Brosnac ‘Guitar Electronics’ so you can familiarize yourself with myth and fact concerning pickups.. it’s not expensive and you’ll use it for years… really, books like this are a leg up on guitar in every way. Send for free catalogs… both to pickup manufacturers, and to mail order companies… they have lots of info and you can not only get more specs, but price comparisons, etc. Go to http://members.wbs.net/homepages/t/w/a/twangme.html for a start on all this.. don’t forget to consider the Schaller Vintage ’50s.. at http://www.stewmac.com these are output matched.. width matched…humbucks..four conductor.. high output..potted pickups which match real well against more expensive models with the same specs and no better manufacture… However.. it’s also a good idea to ask around the NG’s for peoples opinions as to tone and sustain and durability and other performance considerations, too. Hear some, if you get a chance,  even on a different guitar. hope this helps twang! patrick f. coleman – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’d like to know 2 things. What kind of pickups come standard on Epiphone Lp100’s (not Epi. Les Paul’s) i know they’re humbuckers, but what kind. Next thing, what are some really screaming humbuckers i could replace the old ones with on the same guitar, there’s room for a full size bridge and neck. Thanks D

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        I am a psoriasis suffer for 10 years. I have tried the tigason (25mg/day) in past 2 years intermittently. it do work for me. However, the major side effect including increment of  blood cholestrol level, as a result increase the possibility of heart disease; secondly, damage liver cell may result in drug induced hepatitis. It is abolutely not suitable for pregnancy. Nevertheless, It is safe under periodic blood test.         However, In Hong Kong, this drug is stopped and replaced by the others. According to latest medical report, tigason will induce ?? hepatic cancer. I think you better ask your doctor in charge. Best Regards, Law – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – hello  i have been asked to find out about a substance called Tigason in relation to  the treament of a child in india. i have no knowledge about the condition and  am only passing on a query o the group in the hope someone can give me an  answer that i can pass back to the person who asked me. don’t worry about  being too technical as i don’t have to understand it and the person i will  pass it on to will be able to understand it. it is a "charity case" and i am  just passing on a message and will send any answers i get to my friend in  india by airmail if i get some answers to help this little boy. as i  am not a regular here) here is the query: I want to know what the generic name of Tigason tablets by Roche is. What worries me is warnings in MIMS index section 15D that the viatmin A  derivative acitrtin is used only in hospitals by dermatologists because of the  risk of inducing hypercalcaemia. The vitamin D analogues calcipotriol and tacalcitol work by inhibiting cell  proliferation and stimulating the differentiation of keratinocytes, and as  these two have less effect on calcium metabolism, the risks of hypercalcaemia  and hypercalciuria are less severe (although not absent). The point is that the only information I have been able to obtain is in some  foreign alphabet, possibly Thai. The worry is that sometimes drug companies  who are not allowed to make certain compounds in the First World can do so in  places like India. thank you

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hello  i have been asked to find out about a substance called Tigason in relation to  the treament of a child in india. i have no knowledge about the condition and  am only passing on a query o the group in the hope someone can give me an  answer that i can pass back to the person who asked me. don’t worry about  being too technical as i don’t have to understand it and the person i will  pass it on to will be able to understand it. it is a "charity case" and i am  just passing on a message and will send any answers i get to my friend in  india by airmail if i get some answers to help this little boy.  am not a regular here) here is the query: I want to know what the generic name of Tigason tablets by Roche is. What worries me is warnings in MIMS index section 15D that the viatmin A  derivative acitrtin is used only in hospitals by dermatologists because of the  risk of inducing hypercalcaemia. The vitamin D analogues calcipotriol and tacalcitol work by inhibiting cell  proliferation and stimulating the differentiation of keratinocytes, and as  these two have less effect on calcium metabolism, the risks of hypercalcaemia  and hypercalciuria are less severe (although not absent). The point is that the only information I have been able to obtain is in some  foreign alphabet, possibly Thai. The worry is that sometimes drug companies  who are not allowed to make certain compounds in the First World can do so in  places like India. thank you

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Hi all, May I request the use of generic names for drugs, at least once in a thread, preferable the first article? Many US drugs have different brand names from overseas. For example in Australia, Paxil is Aropax; Seldane is Teldane; Imitrex is Imigran — you get the picture. I’m sure the same applies to the UK, NZ, and many other countries.

An sentiment echoed by myself and many UK pharmacists. How about it ? Nigel

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Hi all, May I request the use of generic names for drugs, at least once in a thread, preferable the first article? Many US drugs have different brand names from overseas. For example in Australia, Paxil is Aropax; Seldane is Teldane; Imitrex is Imigran — you get the picture. I’m sure the same applies to the UK, NZ, and many other countries. An sentiment echoed by myself and many UK pharmacists. How about it ? Nigel

Why don’t you intelligent pharmasist-types get out your handy-dandy drug dictionaries/thesauruses/whateverthehellyoucallems? We poor dumb depressives don’t happen to know all the jerky names for them stupid pills. You guys are in a much better position to tell US what the generic names are, doncha think? Simply Steve nielsens(at)ccmail(dot)orst(dot)edu

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Hi all, May I request the use of generic names for drugs, at least once in a thread, preferable the first article? Many US drugs have different brand names from overseas. For example in Australia, Paxil is Aropax; Seldane is Teldane; Imitrex is Imigran — you get the picture. I’m sure the same applies to the UK, NZ, and many other countries. This is not just for my benefit. By using generic names, you reach a wider audience for responses to your requests. There is also the possibility that you will receive a reply from someone who does not work and suffer under the American health system, and so perhaps receive a novel approach to the use of a drug, or an opinion from a different cultural perspective — which is never a bad idea! Thanks for your consideration, Raymot, MBBS (general practitioner) Brisbane, Australia http://www.powerup.com.au/~rmottare/index.htm [Disclaimer: This post is *not* intended to be personal medical advice. The opinions are offered in the interests of discussion only.] [[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[

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In response to post in alt.support.headaches.migraines, regarding the "Plea/Request" that we use generic names of medications in our postings "at least once in the thread" cross posted to: sci.med sci.med.pharmacy alt.support.depression alt.support.headaches.migraine misc.health.arthritis sci.med.cardiology sentiment This question has been previously asked and answered recently in alt.support.headaches.migraines. Are either of you volunteering to provide us with a cross-reference list of name brand and generic migraine medications to post in our NG? I’m sure migraineurs in your countries would find that of interest. As stated before, I don’t think anyone in our NG has the resources to do that. This(alt.support.headaches.migraines) is an unmoderated SUPPORT group — posts are ususally by people suffering from migraines — not usually by medical professionals.  Although, I might add that there are several people with medical backgrounds who are kind enough to respond to posts with relevant information.  Many of us do not have any way of finding out the generic name of the medications we are on without calling and bugging our own pharmacists/doctors.  There were many "newbies" who were quite upset by the last posting of this nature in our NG.  They thought that there was something that they were doing wrong, and that they were being corrected by someone in charge.  I want to make sure that your comment does not cause any "newbies" to our group to feel even more insecure about searching for support here. Our NG’s "threads" often begin with a posting from a migraineur in angst, with questions to the group in regards to any knowledge or personal experience with the medication or symptoms in question.  They usually supply the newsgroup with all of the information about their medication that is at their disposal.  Let me ask you, when you fill a name brand prescriptions in your pharmacy, do you also put the generic name of the drug on the bottle?  They don’t do that here.  Also, most of us don’t have a PDR to look medications up in — I don’t. — reply to ssch – at – ix – dot – netcom – dot – com —

Mary

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Hi all, May I request the use of generic names for drugs, at least once in a thread, preferable the first article? Many US drugs have different brand names from overseas. For example in Australia, Paxil is Aropax; Seldane is Teldane; Imitrex is Imigran — you get the picture. I’m sure the same applies to the UK, NZ, and many other countries. An sentiment echoed by myself and many UK pharmacists. How about it ? Nigel

Nigel, it would make life easier but I think the problem is that a lot of us lay people don’t know the generic names of drugs and can only refer to the brand name on the packet we buy.  Also the spelling and length of generic names is sometimes rather daunting.  However being from N.Z. and in a minority, I will try harder in future.  Joan

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If’n you was takin 47 meds or so over 4-5yrs, without possessing an MD, maybe  ya’ll’d be dumb as us!  Shucks, we just now learnt to trun on the spigot.  Us  Amerkins is limited, you know.   I’m sick of your ‘plea’. Give us a break and look em up, Dr. Shrimp (oh, prawns) on the Barbie. Bring back the Brits! U NO WHO

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: Why don’t you intelligent pharmasist-types get out your handy-dandy : drug dictionaries/thesauruses/whateverthehellyoucallems? We poor dumb : depressives don’t happen to know all the jerky names for them stupid : pills. You guys are in a much better position to tell US what the : generic names are, doncha think? Any decent pharmacy in the U.S. has access to an on-line data base of prescription drugs, and they can print out for you a very detailed description of any drug, its generic name, its usefulness, its contraindications, warnings, interactions with other drugs, etc., etc.  If you’re taking a prescription drug and haven’t obtained and read that description, all I can say is that it was not I (a recovered heart patient) who referred to depressives as "dumb", but if the shoe fits …  ;^) —      ___            _                                             –  Bob    /__) _   /    / ) _   _ Robert K. Coe ** 14 Churchill St, Sudbury, MA 01776-2120 USA ** 508-443-3265

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I don’t know too many, but here are some that I do know: paroxetine      U.S.: Paxil                 Brit.: Seroxat                 Aus.: Aropax sertraline      U.S.: Zoloft                 Brit.: Lustral moclobemide     Canada: Manerix                 Europe: Aurorix

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Oh,  I know, (she said TIC) let’s let one of the people who get paid to do this ng stuff do it! Sorry, I’m not one of the paid workers here.  I’m not volunteering but I’m not suggesting someone else do it becuase I think it’s a good idea. — PS I’m also not cross-posting this to 6 other newsgroups.  I edited the To line.

people get paid to do this? Karen

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all, May I request the use of generic names for drugs, at least once in a thread, preferable the first article? I couldn’t agree more, however as an alternative what about someone producing a medications FAQ which could be regularly posted to appropriate groups or maintained on a web site and the URL posted regularly. No I’m not volunteering David Law

This sounds like a great idea.  (I’m not volunteering, either, sorry). Most of the medicines I see mentioned in the migraine support group are the same ones over and over.  A list showing the generic name, along with some of its brand names would be a useful cross-reference. Melinda .

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Most pharmacies I know of hand out little info sheets with their prescriptions that list their generic names.  Hell, I even got myself a copy of the Physicians Drug Reference (PDR) to keep up with my meds.  A good pharmacist usually knows more about the drugs than the doctors do.  This is especially important if you are on several meds.

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Hi all, May I request the use of generic names for drugs, at least once in a thread, preferable the first article? Right on the mark. Let us UK pharmacists promise not to use our ridiculous Co-Names. They cause enough co-nfusion as it is.

  Excellent idea.   There are a few drugs whose GENERIC names vary internationally, but the variation is much, much, less than that of trade names.  Some of the international variation is trivial (amoxicillin/amoxycillin, furosemide/frusemide), but some of it is reasonably opaque (epinephrine/adrenaline, acetaminophen/paracetamol).             Robert R. Fenichel, M.D. (true email address is as above, but without initial NOTQUITE)

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all, May I request the use of generic names for drugs, at least once in a thread, preferable the first article? Many US drugs have different brand names from overseas. For example in Australia, Paxil is Aropax; Seldane is Teldane; Imitrex is Imigran — you get the picture. I’m sure the same applies to the UK, NZ, and many other countries. An sentiment echoed by myself and many UK pharmacists. How about it ? Why don’t you intelligent pharmasist-types get out your handy-dandy drug dictionaries/thesauruses/whateverthehellyoucallems?

Those "handy-dandy drug dictionaries/thesauruses/whateverthehellyoucallems" are reliable only in the country they are published for.  The original author of this thread made it quite clear that generic names are necessary for professionals in other counties to have input (i.e., help with a question about drug therapy);  he was correct. We poor dumb depressives don’t happen to know all the jerky names for them stupid pills.

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